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Robbie Bach @ X05 - Paco - 8th October 2005 Here is the link: http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=12103 Nothing all that interesting, but I wanted to bring this up for ABF... Quote:How do the Xbox and the Xbox 360 compare in terms of manufacturing costs and subsidies? I just wanted you to see I wasn't making all that stuff up about Microsoft having changed things up concerning the hardware and cost-reduction. Cheers:) Robbie Bach @ X05 - A Black Falcon - 13th October 2005 We know that they're trying to reduce costs, but they aren't going to quit just because they're losing money, so the more important question is 'so how well will the thing do'... And 'how many people will foolishly get the cheaper X360 package when they really shouldn't even be offering it in the first place, functionality-wise'... Robbie Bach @ X05 - Great Rumbler - 13th October 2005 The Xbox360 Core System is the 'tard system. Robbie Bach @ X05 - A Black Falcon - 13th October 2005 For people who don't know better to buy for others, not knowing that no one actually wants one of the stupid things... Robbie Bach @ X05 - Paco - 14th October 2005 A Black Falcon Wrote:We know that they're trying to reduce costs, but they aren't going to quit just because they're losing money, so the more important question is 'so how well will the thing do'... They learned from their mistakes from the first Xbox. That's the point. They can and have changed their business practice so that they can make money. They can't afford to keep throwing away money just to keep the Xbox brand afloat. It really depends what you want, then pick out the system that's best for you. Me, I don't have a broadband service so all those nifty accessories for Xbox Live are lost on me, I never got past the 50,000+ blocks on the Xbox HD (that's what it said when I started, and 15 games later it still says that), and I really don't care about backwards compatibility because I rarely play a game more than once. Seriously, the core system makes sense to me and it's most likely I'll get that one...but it's hard to pass up the great deal on the Premium bundle. Robbie Bach @ X05 - A Black Falcon - 14th October 2005 Core plus harddrive would work too, and costs the same amount as the premium one... it depends on if you want/need the other extras like better video cables and stuff, I think... but either way, I'd call the harddrive a necessity... Robbie Bach @ X05 - Great Rumbler - 14th October 2005 Quote:Core plus harddrive would work too, and costs the same amount as the premium one... If it costs the same as the premium system, why not just get the premium system? Robbie Bach @ X05 - A Black Falcon - 14th October 2005 If you want a wired controller and don't want to just buy one, I guess... or if you want to not have AV cables for HDTVs? I don't know, I can't think of a good reason either... but MS wants to be able to say "See? It just costs $300!", so here we are. Robbie Bach @ X05 - Paco - 16th October 2005 A Black Falcon Wrote:If you want a wired controller and don't want to just buy one, I guess... or if you want to not have AV cables for HDTVs? I don't know, I can't think of a good reason either... but MS wants to be able to say "See? It just costs $300!", so here we are. Oh, and I also don't have a HDTV and since I'll be a college student for at least the next two years I doubt I'll ever have the money to get one. Without Xbox Live and with little care for backwards compatability then I don't see why I need a HD. A 20 gig hd? I just don't need it, but I really wonder if the 64 MB memory card will suffice for the 20 or so games I'll probably end up buying for the 360 over its lifetime; I really hate having multiple memory cards (Dreamcast was a nightmare). If it's not enough then I might as well shell out the extra $60 and get the one with the HD included. Robbie Bach @ X05 - A Black Falcon - 16th October 2005 Yeah, the HD cables are irrelevant for most people, but the hdd... I don't know, but it seems like having the system without one would be pretty silly, given all the things it does... unless you don't plan on using Live, ever, and don't mind the other problems not having one brings... Robbie Bach @ X05 - Paco - 18th October 2005 ermmm...what do you mean by other problems? What problems are there to begin with, and what problems are there if you don't get an HD? Robbie Bach @ X05 - Great Rumbler - 18th October 2005 Unless you plan on selling all your Xbox games you'll probably want a harddrive. Robbie Bach @ X05 - A Black Falcon - 18th October 2005 Like the fact that you need a harddrive for backwards compatibility, and that load times will be shorter with the hdd because 2 gigs of it will be used for caching (I know, games had to be made for no-hdd too, so some won't take advantage of it, but others will, I expect)... along with what I said before, that Live virtually requires it. Anyway... X360 HDD/digital distribution rumors! http://www.joystiq.com/entry/1234000247063965/ http://www.joystiq.com/entry/1234000680063369/ http://www.joystiq.com/entry/1234000290063864/ http://www.joystiq.com/entry/1234000290063864/ Robbie Bach @ X05 - Paco - 18th October 2005 The game works without an HDD, so that can't be perceived as a problem. Microsoft said you don't need the HD to access Xbox Live or play with it, however you might want it if you plan on downloading content off of it. These aren't problems for the informed consumer, and I suspect there are quite a few of them considering all the technology that's available today. I mean, we're talking about a time when you can get 80 different kinds of iPods and 15 kajillion cell phones, MP3 players, etc. Picking between two different console set-ups shouldn't be difficult for anybody, maybe those just now discovering compact disc and the internet but I believe everyone else will be just fine. Taking advantage of Xbox Live, HD Output, and Backwards Compatability = Premium, or buy the core and purchase the accessories needed when you're ready. You just want to play games = Core, and you'll have to purchase a memory card to save games (just like the previous two generations). The great thing is that you can upgrade later if you want to. This is not as hard as you want it to be. Robbie Bach @ X05 - Great Rumbler - 18th October 2005 Quote:or buy the core and purchase the accessories needed when you're ready. The harddrive alone costs $100. Robbie Bach @ X05 - A Black Falcon - 18th October 2005 And the memory card is $40... when you're looking at $360+$55-60 per game+$30-40 for another controller if you want multiplayer on one machine, is $60 really all that much? "Core", essentially, is a scam. It'd be okay if the price differential was equal to the total of the things you don't get, but it's not. Yes, I know, bundles usually lower the prices of things... so when you can, and you don't have the hardware, get the bundle unless you really don't have enough cash. Robbie Bach @ X05 - Paco - 19th October 2005 The core is the same price and components of the consoles released sinced Playstation. You get the console, controller, and cables for $300. It's a norm and expected. What wasn't expected is the Premium to include so many accessories for just $100 more, especially since the consumer costs of those accessories is almost double that amount. For $60 I could get a game. I'm sure I'm not the only one thinking that. Robbie Bach @ X05 - A Black Falcon - 20th October 2005 Quote:The core is the same price and components of the consoles released sinced Playstation. You get the console, controller, and cables for $300. It's a norm and expected. Uh... wha? The GC was $200, N64 was $250... Robbie Bach @ X05 - Paco - 21st October 2005 A Black Falcon Wrote:Uh... wha? The GC was $200, N64 was $250... What the hell? Did you forget about the Playstation ($300), Saturn ($400), Playstation 2 ($300), and Xbox ($300)? 4 consoles vs 2, I'd say $300 is a standard launch price. Robbie Bach @ X05 - A Black Falcon - 21st October 2005 GBA, ~$100, GBA-SP $80 (or was it $100?), GBA Micro $100, DS $130... (yes, and the PSP is $300 and the N-Gage is ... uh, I don't know, something higher that came down really fast...) Anyway, maybe Sony and Microsoft think that $300 is the right price to start at (though if the PS3 rumors are true...), but Nintendo never has. I know, their hopes that the lower price would help them win never came to pass, but I certainly appreciate the lower prices of Nintendo consoles, and Nintendo's consoles have always been $250 or less at first, so saying '$300 is now expected' is just wrong. A common price, yes, but 'the norm and expected'? No way. Oh yes, and how about the Dreamcast? :) |