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Xenosaga! - Weltall - 19th February 2003
Just six more days until this generation's best game comes out! Oh man I'm so excited!
Xenosaga! - Private Hudson - 19th February 2003
I really hope the game is a huge disappoint you.
That'll teach you for being so arrogant about it!
:shake: :p
Xenosaga! - OB1 - 19th February 2003
It hasn't gotten very good reviews for the best game of this generation. :D
But I'm still looking forward to it.
Xenosaga! - The Former DMiller - 19th February 2003
I'm looking forward to it, but I'd only be able to afford it if I won the lottery by finding a winning ticket in the street...or if someone bought it for me. :)
Xenosaga! - Weltall - 21st February 2003
Quote:Originally posted by OB1
It hasn't gotten very good reviews for the best game of this generation. :D
But I'm still looking forward to it.
Reviews mean nothing. Resident Evil gets better reviews than Silent Hill, despite being inferior to SH in just about every way. Final Fantasy X will probably end up with better reviews than Xenosaga too. Some games are just the darlings of the mindless masses.
:) :) :)
Xenosaga! - Private Hudson - 21st February 2003
Resident Evil > Silent Hill
:shake:
Xenosaga! - OB1 - 21st February 2003
For scariness, SH wins. For gameplay... well both have annoying "find the key" missions, but RE has the worse controls. I've only played the first SH, but I prefer that over any of the RE games. But take away the scariness and you have a pretty boring game.
Xenosaga! - Sacred Jellybean - 21st February 2003
I thought they had the same movement layout, ie up makes the character move forward, down makes him take a step back, and left/right is used for turning? In both games, a shoulder button is held down, while an action button uses the weapon.
Unless Silent Hill's environments were designed based on these controls, as the camera angle changes a lot, making a free movement/Mario 64 layout more confusing. The only time I found Silent Hill's controls to be confusing was during the very beginning, when running through the ally.
Also, enemies were easier to kill, as you had auto-aim, and unlike RE and its pre-rendered backgrounds, SH had a real-time camera that was much more efficient during combat.
Anyone who'd take RE over SH in terms of immersion is insane. Gameplay opinions, I could see differing, but RE pales in comparison in terms of design. Unless you're comparing REmake to Silent Hill 1 on PSX.
Xenosaga! - Dark Jaguar - 21st February 2003
Whatever lies beyond this morning is a little later on. Regardless of warnings the future doesn't scare me at all. Nothing's like before!
Xenosaga! - Private Hudson - 21st February 2003
Quote:Originally posted by Sacred Jellybean
I thought they had the same movement layout, ie up makes the character move forward, down makes him take a step back, and left/right is used for turning? In both games, a shoulder button is held down, while an action button uses the weapon.
Unless Silent Hill's environments were designed based on these controls, as the camera angle changes a lot, making a free movement/Mario 64 layout more confusing. The only time I found Silent Hill's controls to be confusing was during the very beginning, when running through the ally.
Also, enemies were easier to kill, as you had auto-aim, and unlike RE and its pre-rendered backgrounds, SH had a real-time camera that was much more efficient during combat.
Anyone who'd take RE over SH in terms of immersion is insane. Gameplay opinions, I could see differing, but RE pales in comparison in terms of design. Unless you're comparing REmake to Silent Hill 1 on PSX.
Silent Hill has a completely different control offering. Where you point is where you go.
Anyways, as I've said in many an arguement with Wetwall before..
Resident Evil > Silent Hill 1
Resident Evil 2 > Sillent Hil 1
Silent Hill 1 > Resident Evil 3
Resident Evil 3 > Silent Hill 2
Silent Hill 2 > Code Veronica
Although, I haven't played Resident Evil 0. But that's just how I see it. Resident Evil is getting progressively worse (I hope RE4 changes that), but that doesnt mean that overall, the series isn't good... it's just not that good anymore. :)
Xenosaga! - eXisTenZe - 21st February 2003
I can't believe you mongroes are all into Xenosaga.... No one ever mentions, Zone of the Enders: Anubis!! I have seen the opening scene of Xenosaga from Cinematech, but the Japanese commercial of ZoE 2 kixx!
Xenosaga! - OB1 - 21st February 2003
...
Xenosaga is the sequel to one of the most popular PSX games ever made. It's also coming out next week.
ZOE2 is the sequel to an average, first-generation PS2 game. It's coming out next month.
I'm sure that ZOE2 will be awesome though.
Xenosaga! - Great Rumbler - 21st February 2003
I won't be able to get Xenosaga for a while, due to monetary restraints.
Xenosaga! - OB1 - 21st February 2003
Sorry to hear that. I think I'll be getting it next week. It comes out on tuesday, right?
Xenosaga! - EdenMaster - 21st February 2003
Quote:Originally posted by OB1
It hasn't gotten very good reviews for the best game of this generation. :D
But I'm still looking forward to it.
Reviews are to be taken with a grain of salt. Sure, I've written plenty of them, but they're all my opinions on a game. Smash Bros. Melee has gotten one of my highest ratings, but I've met people who think it's the biggets piece of krap ever programmed. A review cannot tell you what you think of a game, nobody can. Only you can decide how good you think a game is, and that's all that matters. Weltall mentioned FFX getting a higher score than Xenosaga, as if it didn't deserve it. Well, I think FFX is an incredible game and it's kept me hooked for about a while now, it's one of the best games on my shelf right now IMO. Welty may disagree, and that's just human nature. Reviews are only good for giving you an idea of what the game is about, and shouldn't weigh extremely heavily on your purchases. Well, except for my reviews :).
Welcome eXisTenZe! Glad to see you made it to our little corner of the internet, hope you enjoy your stay. You'll get used to Dark Jaguar, he smells a bit but he's got a heart of gold. Then theres OB1, he smells fine but he's pure evil. Lazyfatbum has a perpetual smell of a mangina and his heart is that of a baboon he replaced his own with several years ago. We're a sordid, yet lovable bunch :D.
Xenosaga! - Private Hudson - 21st February 2003
A million units makes it one of the biggest selling games on the PSX?
I suppose that might be top 20 material....
I still don't see why the guy was fired from Squaresoft, just because the game sold so 'poorly'
Xenosaga! - Sacred Jellybean - 21st February 2003
Quote:Silent Hill has a completely different control offering. Where you point is where you go.
That can't be right... maybe you changed the controls to this setting, but I'm quite sure the default layout is how I described it above.
Xenosaga! - OB1 - 21st February 2003
Quote:Originally posted by EdenMaster
Reviews are to be taken with a grain of salt. Sure, I've written plenty of them, but they're all my opinions on a game. Smash Bros. Melee has gotten one of my highest ratings, but I've met people who think it's the biggets piece of krap ever programmed. A review cannot tell you what you think of a game, nobody can. Only you can decide how good you think a game is, and that's all that matters. Weltall mentioned FFX getting a higher score than Xenosaga, as if it didn't deserve it. Well, I think FFX is an incredible game and it's kept me hooked for about a while now, it's one of the best games on my shelf right now IMO. Welty may disagree, and that's just human nature. Reviews are only good for giving you an idea of what the game is about, and shouldn't weigh extremely heavily on your purchases. Well, except for my reviews :).
Welcome eXisTenZe! Glad to see you made it to our little corner of the internet, hope you enjoy your stay. You'll get used to Dark Jaguar, he smells a bit but he's got a heart of gold. Then theres OB1, he smells fine but he's pure evil. Lazyfatbum has a perpetual smell of a mangina and his heart is that of a baboon he replaced his own with several years ago. We're a sordid, yet lovable bunch :D.
I was just trying to tease Welly. I really don't care about EGM's reviews.
Xenosaga! - OB1 - 21st February 2003
Gamespot's review is up: http://gamespot.com/gamespot/filters/products/0,11114,519264,00.html
It got an 8.1
Xenosaga! - Great Rumbler - 21st February 2003
Quote:Originally posted by EdenMaster
Welcome eXisTenZe! Glad to see you made it to our little corner of the internet, hope you enjoy your stay. You'll get used to Dark Jaguar, he smells a bit but he's got a heart of gold. Then theres OB1, he smells fine but he's pure evil. Lazyfatbum has a perpetual smell of a mangina and his heart is that of a baboon he replaced his own with several years ago. We're a sordid, yet lovable bunch :D.
And then there's me. I'm the fun-loving, ever sarcastic, and totally out of his mind, but overall great guy.
Welcom to the forums! Don't mind Dark Jaguar, he's usually like that if he hasn't had his medication.
Xenosaga! - eXisTenZe - 21st February 2003
Speaking of Xenosaga, when will we get to see Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest become as one game?
Xenosaga! - Private Hudson - 21st February 2003
Quote:Originally posted by Sacred Jellybean
That can't be right... maybe you changed the controls to this setting, but I'm quite sure the default layout is how I described it above.
I don't think so..
Xenosaga! - OB1 - 21st February 2003
I believe Hudson is right. I know, I know, it's a crazy notion. But he just might be right this time.
:p
Xenosaga! - Weltall - 22nd February 2003
Quote:Originally posted by Private Hudson
Silent Hill has a completely different control offering. Where you point is where you go.
Anyways, as I've said in many an arguement with Wetwall before..
Resident Evil > Silent Hill 1
Resident Evil 2 > Sillent Hil 1
Silent Hill 1 > Resident Evil 3
Resident Evil 3 > Silent Hill 2
Silent Hill 2 > Code Veronica
Although, I haven't played Resident Evil 0. But that's just how I see it. Resident Evil is getting progressively worse (I hope RE4 changes that), but that doesnt mean that overall, the series isn't good... it's just not that good anymore. :)
You are wrong about the controls. They are like that if you set them in 2D mode. But the default control scheme is 3D, which is pretty much like Resident Evil's.
Resident Evil 3 > Silent Hill 2? Madness.
Xenosaga! - Private Hudson - 22nd February 2003
Meh.. Neither quite lived up to their predecessors, IMO. :)
Xenosaga! - Weltall - 22nd February 2003
Quote:Originally posted by Private Hudson
Meh.. Neither quite lived up to their predecessors, IMO. :)
Still, and I think SH2 was better than SH1 in some ways, to say that RE3 was better... it's just... RE3 was awful. Stinko.
Xenosaga! - OB1 - 25th February 2003
So who has Xenosaga yet? My local Babbages won't have it until tomorrow. Curses!
Xenosaga! - Weltall - 25th February 2003
Quote:Originally posted by OB1
So who has Xenosaga yet? My local Babbages won't have it until tomorrow. Curses!
Same deal here! Argh! :cuss:
Xenosaga! - OB1 - 25th February 2003
I'm not going to smile at the clerk when I pick up my copy tomorrow!
Xenosaga! - Weltall - 25th February 2003
Really? I plan on kissing my clerk.
... assuming I'm lucky enough to find an attractive female clerk at Funcoland, ha ha...
:bummed:
Xenosaga! - OB1 - 25th February 2003
So has the only complaint so far in the reviews been just about the cinemas?
Xenosaga! - Dark Jaguar - 26th February 2003
I'm staring at my copy right now. Time to play it!
Xenosaga! - OB1 - 26th February 2003
Hmm, the ign guys said that if you stay away from side quests and mini-games then there's only around 10-15 hours of gameplay. Pretty dissapointing.
Xenosaga! - Dark Jaguar - 26th February 2003
Yeah, well if you stay away from all side quests and really rush through FF6, you can beat it in 12 hours or so easy, so that's not saying much. They also claimed some other games that turned out to be long were pretty short anyway. Why on Earth would I want to stay away from side quests anyway? That's like 70% of any decent RPG! Now get out of my way, OR ELSE!
Xenosaga! - OB1 - 26th February 2003
I suppose...
I'll have to wait and see until I get the game after work and Tai Chi. I'm hoping for the best!
Xenosaga! - Weltall - 26th February 2003
I got it :D
Xenosaga! - OB1 - 26th February 2003
:cuss:
So how is it?
Xenosaga! - Weltall - 26th February 2003
Quote:Originally posted by OB1
:cuss:
So how is it?
Simply awesome.
Xenosaga! - Private Hudson - 26th February 2003
We're going to need more in-depth impressions. :)
Xenosaga! - Dark Jaguar - 26th February 2003
And now my friend just got a copy. Well, time to get back to the game. Instantiating private class K7 now!
Xenosaga! - Dark Jaguar - 27th February 2003
Well, I've been having a blast. One thing, they advertised a game inside this game. I thought that was hilarious. I haven't seen such a blatent advertisement since the (repeated) ads for Space Quest in King's Quest 2.
I noticed, quite by accident, that you can skip any cinema in the game by pressing start and selecting the skip option. This should help those annoyed by long cinema scenes (read: N_A).
(Heh, I bet you a hojillion mud pies that N_A will actually respond to that with a detailed explanation of why he doesn't like cinema scenes, totally missing the whole joke concept.)
Xenosaga! - Weltall - 27th February 2003
Xenosaga! - Dark Jaguar - 27th February 2003
From what I read, they didn't say there's no connection at all, just that this is not part of the Xenogears chapters, and in fact a new chapter in a new series. I don't think they claimed it's not part of the same universe though.
Xenosaga! - OB1 - 27th February 2003
Well they plan on re-doing Xenogears, right? Xenogears is supposed to be what, Episode VII or something like that? And they plan on making around seven installments. I wonder how they're going to do that...
I also read in ignPSQ's Xenosaga board that there was a Xenogears prequel book or something like that, and that Xenosaga follows it very closely. I might have read wrong.
Xenosaga! - Dark Jaguar - 27th February 2003
No, it's episode 5, or 6. It's a 6 part package, which makes sense. 6 is the number of man, and 7 is the number of God, so with the focus of the game, 6 chapters makes sense.
Yeah, Xenosaga seems to be the prequal, but it's a part of a prequal saga of chapters. It's a different 6 part epic. That's 12 episodes total. Quite a bit...
It's interesting to see what things were like before humans were "altered" and sent to inhabit that strange world Xenogears takes place in. It's also interesting that the development of the world in Xenogears parallels the development of the human's original world, Earth.
Xenosaga! - OB1 - 27th February 2003
Wait, so when they make Episode VI it's going to be a re-make of Xenogears? Doesn't Square own the rights to that game?
I hope they don't take too long to make the other five games. I don't want to have to wait until I'm in my 30's to finish the saga.
Xenosaga! - Dark Jaguar - 27th February 2003
I'm actually kinda thinking Xenogears was chapter 5. Anyway, I do believe by that time a remake of the original would indeed be in order.
Oh, and Xenosaga wouldn't even be out if they didn't have legal rights to Xenogears. I think I remember Square selling the rights to Xenogears to Namco a few years back when they first pursued making Xenosaga (with the exception I think of keeping the right to make and sell more copies of Xenogears original). Remember, Square got rid of a lot of the Xenogears staff because apparently they considered it a failure, so selling copyrights to it would only be considered profitable.
Take too long to make the other 10 games eh? No biggy, even if it does take a decade or two to complete it. It's the kind of thing you want to keep getting chapters to for a really long time...
Xenosaga! - OB1 - 27th February 2003
Oh, ok.
It would be nice if we got a new Xenosaga every eighteen months or so. Wouldn't that be nice?
Xenosaga! - Dark Jaguar - 27th February 2003
Yes it would.
Xenosaga! - OB1 - 27th February 2003
Yup.
....
*cough*