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The price of gas in America - Great Rumbler - 1st September 2005
Hopefully they do something before the bottom 1/3 has to start taking out loans to pay for gas.
The price of gas in America - A Black Falcon - 1st September 2005
That's a good point, but eventually we need to face the reality that in the long term (though how "long" that long term is depends on who you ask...) cheap gas won't be back like we had it...
The price of gas in America - Great Rumbler - 1st September 2005
I rememeber reading something like 2070 being the decade where we run out of gas, but who knows for sure.
The price of gas in America - Darunia - 1st September 2005
Cigarettes and alcohol? I'm sorry, but I don't think that Uncle Sam, (or Uncle Maple Leaf for you) should be imposing morality upon its citizens. Why not a tax on porn too, since masturbation is a sin? Or on fatty foods? The Gov. has no right telling me that alcohol is wrong, and then charging me ridiculous taxes on it for my own good. And how does taxing gas "get us off it"? People HAVE to drive... every major economy is borne on the back of petroleum. Taxed or not, people consume it just as much either way. Until fossil fuels are replaced in the automobile, there's NO way around that... and certainly, taxes are no exception. I say fuck the taxes.
The price of gas in America - Geno - 1st September 2005
Price of gas in Alabama is currently $3.09 and counting.
The price of gas in America - CoconutCommander - 1st September 2005
Quote:Actually, it works very well. Look at cigarettes or alchohol for proof of it... tax it more and people use it less. They complain, but they use it less... and getting us off oil is very important. People won't just do it of their own free will, so they have to be forced to... (and this goes for car companies too -- the key really is getting them to make cars that get much better milages. This isn't happening, and it would have a HUGE impact. The government refuses to, so hopefully gas prices will get to the point where car companies are forced to do something...)
There was a little more involved in weaning the public off of cigarettes and alcohol than just taxing the hell out of them. For instance the surge in anti tobacco media and the numerous laws preventing or restricting alcohol and tobacco from advertising.
Besides, it's pretty difficult/ignorant to compare cigarettes and alcohol (both addicting habits) to oil fuel (a neccessity for the majority of americans). You are not going to fix the fuel consumption problem with a quick fix that you came up with while you were sitting in your underwear trying to be clever on a Nintendo forum. It's gonna take time to come up with a well thought out multi-layered plan that slowly integrates new technology and oil alternatives into a reluctant populous.
The price of gas in America - Dark Jaguar - 1st September 2005
Look ABF, I tend to agree with you on a lot of things, but DO NOT TAX GAS!
We don't need alcohol and smoking, but we NEED our fossile fuels just to LIVE every frickin day! If it gets to the point where we have to stop driving to some places, guess what? Well, it already is for some people! What, do you WANT for people to not be able to drive to WORK, get fired, and DIE?! THEY WILL DIE! They will not get their fuel and die a pathetic death!
You have to realize we NEED to use that fuel. You might as well say "if you want them to eat less, make it impossible for them to afford food".
Sorry, but I am watching as many families are going without a lot of things just because of the fuel tank. Admittedly, they made many mistakes in life that lead to these rises in gas prices actually affecting them, but you can't just say the solution is raising the price even more. If they can no longer afford the gas, they immediatly lose the ability to live their lives. "carpooling" is not an option if every single person comes from vastly far away places in a radius to the point that everyone ends up paying the same price either way due to the vastly increased driving distances.
No, that is not a solution.
The solution is to be found in scientific study and invention. There are many projects in the works, some with more promise than others, but that's where the solution lies. Hey, maybe, if the laws of physics don't forbid it, we can start tearing space-time a new one and just skipping around the planet in an instant, but more realistically, the issue is in finding an alternative fuel that actually yields more energy than the energy needed to release that energy.
The price of gas in America - Darunia - 2nd September 2005
The governments don't tax because they want us to quit bad habits, they tax because they want to suck more money out of the public to pursure their wasteful spending.
The price of gas in America - A Black Falcon - 2nd September 2005
"We need gas"? But that doesn't prepare us for when the supply of gas in the world gets so short that gas prices reach hundreds of dollars a barrel... it's completely irresponsible to close our eyes and say "the problem doesn't exist!" when it does, it is very real, and it's probably coming faster than anyone wants it to. Doing nothing, like we are now, sets us up for a potential disaster if one of the worse case scenarios is true, about the amount of gas left...
The price of gas in America - CoconutCommander - 2nd September 2005
Fact: Oil comes from dinosaurs and t-rex's
*research that one if you think it's bullshit
The price of gas in America - Darunia - 2nd September 2005
ABF, your argument is a non-sequiter. We all know that petroleum is going to run out, that its bad for the environment, and that we need to find alternatives. I'm arguing that taxing it isn't the way to make those problems go away.
The price of gas in America - A Black Falcon - 2nd September 2005
There is no better way, short of a serious government effort to put a lot of work into finding real alternatives... but they'd rather just pander to the oil companies.
The price of gas in America - Darunia - 2nd September 2005
The end doesn't justify the means, my friend.
The price of gas in America - A Black Falcon - 2nd September 2005
And I haven't even mentioned the "destroying the environment is bad and we should do all we can to reduce the damage we do" part, which of course Republicans treat like the plague...
The price of gas in America - Great Rumbler - 3rd September 2005
And what about people that don't have a lot of money? Hybrid cars are 45,000+ and on top of that you want make gasoline incredibly expensive. That doesn't leave a lot of room for extra things like FOOD.
The price of gas in America - Weltall - 3rd September 2005
A Black Falcon Wrote:$0.40 in gas taxes? Should be a lot higher, like Europe... raise them slowly though so you don't kill the economy. Republicans of course will never do that... live in the moment, don't think about tomorrow... but it will come, and we should have been seriously working on converting away from gasoline for some time now.
In opposition to the usual Democrat solution for everything: Throw money at it until it goes away for now! Demcrats are all about the quick fix.
I don't think extra taxes are necessary because people are feeling enough hurt as it is. Although I do think that this will cause havoc in the SUV market and drive the Hybrid market to great heights, and there's nothing but good to come of that.
(And let me specify that while on the surface, ABF and I agree on that matter, we differ in that he supports forcing this change on people, when you'll see that when circumstances change, people will do it on their own.)
The price of gas in America - A Black Falcon - 3rd September 2005
But when gas prices are high because of high taxes, you at least know that you're getting something out of that money... you're getting government services. As it is for us, we just know that we're lining the pockets of big oil... which isn't exactly something that makes you happy about that price.
So really, the problem is the toxic hatred of government that republicans have...
Quote:And what about people that don't have a lot of money? Hybrid cars are 45,000+ and on top of that you want make gasoline incredibly expensive. That doesn't leave a lot of room for extra things like FOOD.
We also need things like a SIGNIFICANTLY higher minimum wage and healthcare for everyone...
The price of gas in America - Weltall - 3rd September 2005
If you add a tax onto gas, you're just paying more money, period. I can do without that. For all the government services I recieve, I'm sure it's not worth it. I give them enough money, thanks.
The price of gas in America - Great Rumbler - 3rd September 2005
They'd probably just waste it if they got more money on gas.
The price of gas in America - Weltall - 3rd September 2005
Seriously. Every time I look at my check deductions, I wonder how much of it is going to fund a $10 million study working towards saving the Peruvian Gold-sheened shit beetle from extinction.
The price of gas in America - Geno - 3rd September 2005
Taxing gas = No. No no no. No no no no no. Just... just... no. Absolutely not. No. Nuh uh. No. No way. No. Not happening. It better not happen, anyway. Bad idea. Making it more expensive doesn't solve the problem of "It's too expensive."
The price of gas in America - A Black Falcon - 3rd September 2005
Republicans are depressing... :(
That wrong and destructive hatred of government has done nothing but ill for this country.
The price of gas in America - Darunia - 3rd September 2005
Wrong.
Democrats destroy the American economy with unions and minimal wages that make it impossible for the American industry to compete. That why we have no more industrial infrastructure... which is what won us WWII. Thanks to this, in 20 years, China will be the dominate world power. I also love how the liberal Canadian preaches to all of us redneck hillbilly Yankees how we should run out country... because, you known, Canada can teach all the world a thing or two about how to run a major world power.
The price of gas in America - Undertow - 3rd September 2005
It's funny how some people claim that democrats are huge money spenders and destroyers of our economy when after Clinton came out of office we had a huge surplus, and when Reagan, Bush Sr. and now currently Bush Jr. come in office we get huge deficites. I don't think I can respect a politician that still thinks "trickle down" economics work. I'm not a democrat myself, (i'm fairly bipartisan and can easily criticize democrats too) but I can't help but wonder where you're coming from. You come off as worrying too much about party lines.
Quote:The government that taxes least taxes most. Amen.
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The price of gas in America - Darunia - 3rd September 2005
Did you ever consider that a president who generates a surplus in revenue might be to blame for major tax increases? The bureaucracy is ridiculously large, anyway... there are ten employees and thirty official procedures for every tax paying citizen. Both parties are responsible, but Democrats are nefarious for spending on the leech that is known as social welfare: a one-way out-going flow of capital that we never get a return on. I work hard for my money, and seeing it in the form of food stamps in illegal immigrants' hands may get you off, but it doesn't please me none. If you and ABF like taxes so much, why don't you pay mine for me while you're at it.
The price of gas in America - Weltall - 3rd September 2005
Amen, brother. Donate to the government. They won't mind.
The price of gas in America - Undertow - 3rd September 2005
Darunia Wrote:If you like taxes so much, why don't you pay mine for me while you're at it.
My statement claiming I love taxes is so sneaky I don't even remember typing it.
The price of gas in America - Geno - 3rd September 2005
I'm not siding with either political party, I just don't want there to be a tax on gas. I pay more than enough for my gas, thank you very much.
The price of gas in America - Dark Jaguar - 3rd September 2005
ABF, I'm not arguing their arguments, but I will say this. If you tax gas, people will lose their jobs. What good does that do? Where does this money go? Even if ALL that money is pooled back into those now jobless people's lives so they can continue to live, exactly what have you accomplished?
Model out exactly what this is meant to achieve.
Oh and, thanks for the news flash Captain. I'm pretty sure we all knew petroleum came from ancient creatures compressed for many years. Mostly plant life though...
Back on topic though, seriously ABF, what's the logic behind taxing to reduce purchasing gas? Is the logic that people will shift to alternative fuels if they can't afford gas? I see, except for one thing, NONE of the alternative fuels are in a ready state yet! They ALL currently cost too much. And, even in the cases where one could save money in the long run, too many families are so poor they literally can't afford to save money in the long run. By that I mean they can't afford the price of that initial investment.
Taking us off of gas is a great idea, but taxing is NOT the solution. People ALREADY think gas is too expensive, and it isn't reducing our consumption of it. It's just stressing poor families. Raising it further to the point where families can't afford it will just do damage.
The solution is still in the form of getting a decent alternative fuel working. Once that happens, prices are already high enough that people will flock to it. What's that they say about building a better mouse trap?
By the way, I never argued that we should "stick with gas", I just said taxing isn't the way to get us off of it. Don't use straw man arguments.
Research is what we need. Now, giving the companies researching new fuels is one way, and that's valid. But, contrary to what economists seem to believe, pooring money into research doesn't equal speeding up the research. Just give them enough for what they need. More than that though, we need more researchers.
I suppose we may just be paying the price for raising a generation of register biscuits (no offense Weltall). I think that perhaps too many kids just didn't go to college and now probably can't. I know too many parents who don't even know what a college fund IS, and when you explain it to them, they just laugh at the idea. I can only speak for my immediate surroundings, but around here just about every business I see is just the front end of some grocery store or restaurant. Basically all the money in Tulsa seems to be basically sent out to McDonald's and so on. If pressed as to where they might be headed in life, they just get some attitude and fake a kind suggestion to buy something.
What ever happened to dreaming? It's no wonder we stopped going to the moon... No one even cares any more. People have grown afraid to desire, to want something for themselves. They all think destiny has some purpose for them but no one seems to go about actually obtaining it for themselves! Don't these people realize the only destiny they can hope to get is the one they create for themselves?
Well, enough ranting... All I'm saying is I'm wondering if America is slipping behind Japan as the technology leader of the world merely because not enough kids are interested in becoming scientists or engineers... Too much apathy around here, but it may just be Oklahoma... I truly am getting sick of this place.
The price of gas in America - A Black Falcon - 3rd September 2005
Quote:I see, except for one thing, NONE of the alternative fuels are in a ready state yet!
And why do you think this is? Because Big Oil doesn't want it so, and what they want they get... if prices got high enough public pressure might eventually force them to change...
Quote:Did you ever consider that a president who generates a surplus in revenue might be to blame for major tax increases? The bureaucracy is ridiculously large, anyway... there are ten employees and thirty official procedures for every tax paying citizen. Both parties are responsible, but Democrats are nefarious for spending on the leech that is known as social welfare: a one-way out-going flow of capital that we never get a return on. I work hard for my money, and seeing it in the form of food stamps in illegal immigrants' hands may get you off, but it doesn't please me none. If you and ABF like taxes so much, why don't you pay mine for me while you're at it.
Let's see... recent history.
1982-1988: Reagan. We reduce taxes dramatically while raising spending (mostly on the military) dramatically. There's a boom for several years. Since "supply-side economics" are a myth, though, the bill eventually comes due for those years of deficit spending and ... yup, crash.
1988-92: We have a crash and a war. We begin to recover from the crash because Bush Sr. was brave, realized that the only way to help fix the problem was to raise taxes, and did so.
1992-2000- boom.
2001-2005 - struggling economy. Return of Reaganomics. Complete memory wipe of hte 1980s and the results of the last time they were tried. Wars. Natural disasters. Government spending grows dramatically. Taxes are cut.
Hmmmm... what happens next? Will it be A) A bust, B) a tax hike (after a bust), or C) a tax hike (in prevention of the economy falling apart even more completely)? You can't live on borrowed money forever, and all those billions going to the wealthiest 2% will never be seen again ("trickle-down economics" works about as well as collecting water with a sieve...)...
And people like you? You're the pawns... people deluded into thinking that some of the worst possible policies for you yourselves are actually good ideas -- things like getting rid of the estate tax, which gets millions of revenue and only applies to, at most, the top 5% of taxpayers only... like massive tax cuts combined with massive spending increases, giving the lie to any pretenses of this administration being fiscally responsible (or fiscally conservative!)... in opposing things like raising the minimum wage, increasing health care for the lower classes, etc, etc, etc... it's kind of amazing really, but it just proves how little people "think".
Quote:Thanks to this, in 20 years, China will be the dominate world power.
Stuff like this is why we need to determine trade laws based on human rights and worker's rights records, not on which nations sell us more junk... China and Saudi Arabia should not be exempt from being punished for having abysmal rights records. And, more importantly, convinced to improve those records...
The price of gas in America - -iLluSiON- - 12th September 2005
Darunia Wrote:Wrong.
Thanks to this, in 20 years, China will be the dominate world power. I also love how the liberal Canadian preaches to all of us redneck hillbilly Yankees how we should run out country... because, you known, Canada can teach all the world a thing or two about how to run a major world power.
It was inevitable that China would be the dominating world power. Don't blame the democrats. That's just plain stupid.
And don't knock on Canada either. Many parts of Canada are much better to live in than America...
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After all, we are an empire, right? We're on a decline. Just face the facts. You live on the East Coast - the most likely area for a terrorist attack. You're going to die. Hell, all of us may even die within the next 15 years. You don't know what's going to happen. No one does.
I'll be laughing at you when the Chinese parachute down to your house and burn it down. Why? Because you blamed the democrats.
The price of gas in America - CoconutCommander - 19th September 2005
The Chinese may have a few million more soldiers than us. But this isnt the middle ages, numbers like that dont mean everything. We have a fucking ocean in between us. The chinese do NOT possess the technology to transport that amount of people over here before we detect them and react. We are surrounded by oceans (Atlantic Ocean, Pacific Ocean, Mexican Poverty Ocean, Canadian Ignorance Ocean) we are in a perfect defensible position. Uh, CocknutCrapmander what about long range missle technology, what if they launch a few of those at us, lol!!!11 1337? We outclass every government in the world with long range missle and predetection technology. If we see them turn the lights on in their silos we will have decimated the man who orders them to be fired.
US defense budget $291,200,000,000
China defense budget $14,500,000,000
How about those numbers?
America will fall yes, not because someone knocked us over, but because we got too gluttonous to stand.
The price of gas in America - Dark Jaguar - 19th September 2005
ABF, do you honestly think that "Big Oil" is somehow actually suppressing the progress of technology? Sorry, that's not happening. Alternative fuel sources are developing and they can't be stopped. The problem is they just aren't ready yet.
The price of gas in America - Darunia - 19th September 2005
It was inevitable that China would be the dominating world power. Don't blame the democrats. That's just plain stupid.
And don't knock on Canada either. Many parts of Canada are much better to live in than America...
Ah--but it is the Democrats, exactly so. The height of US power came off the backs of great military efforts: WWI, and then WWII. During these times, the American people were wholly united under their president, whether he be Democratic or Republican: it didn't matter, he was to be respected. American hegemony was all but official in 1945, and it has continued to date... but it's slipping. I'd say it peaked in the 1960's, during the space race... at that time, there wasn't yet any dissension between the country, politics were left to the politicians to argue over. Americans were all one, and it's always true that a people cannot stand divided. Things began to change in the 1960's, and more so in the 70's. Dissent fermented with the advent of modern liberalism. Suddenly, loving your country and supporting your government weren't the most important thing anymore. The entire nation had, at one time, been behind the US policy of containing communism... thus, at one point Vietnam was as valid of a goal as the Korean War. But today, no one argues that the Korean War was a huge "quagmire", and it wasn't--because unrestrained by domestic, liberal protests, we were able to win it. My friend here says "it was inevitable that China would become the world power"... yes, it was inevitable since the 1970's, when American started to hate itself for being #1. Feel-good liberals, the new brand of democrats, started losing their belief in America, seeking to destroy our patriotically-driven hegemony. In WWII, what would have happened if the New Deal Democrats who loved America had been the Michael Moore ones of today? Could American had won WWII with the problems it faces today--? It was in the 60's that the new age of liberal thinking began to divide the country on large issues... abortion, women's rights, etc., which right or wrong, could only serve to cause conflict within our society. Liberals went further, pushing to destroy American industry with ever-more-powerful unions and increases in minimal wage (wage increases are a great thing, don't get me wrong, but not when the competing markets (China) don't share our fondness for improving humanity.) By the 1980's, the political dissension had also made American no longer respect the sitting president: Nixon. By today, the flag-toting, proud, patriotic Americans of the 1950's have become more infatuated with promoting their political beliefs than the general good of their country. Whether or not Iraq was just, the Democratic response was atrocious: fuck our president, we don't need to respect him! Today, there is so much anti-military hype, how can any foreign dictator fear us, knowing that his Democratic allies in Washington will keep the US military from lifting a finger? Such slander would have been enought to get one lynched at the beginning of the century. Suddenly, liberals blame everything on the president: even things that are very much out of his control, like gas prices. Come on now, what kind of stupidity is this? We no longer support our government, but seek to ferment unrest. Once a people no longer believe in their country or support their government, that people will inevitably fall. Democrats hate Republicans, and vice versa. Both sides are guilty of this. Bipartisanism in Washington, more than anything, weakens our national resolve and identity. As we go into the next century, the liberals hasten their dismantling of the United States' hegemony by 1.) constraining our military budget 2.) ballooning the national deficit and raising taxes to support their asinine political agendas; and increasing the waste of the ominously over-sized bureaucracy 3.) shackling our ability to use our withering military might by insisting that we take our orders not from Washington or from the values of our forefather and democracy, but from Europe, 4.) undermining our international image and integrity by allowing anti-American zealots like Michael Moore to make huge fortunes by pushing their backwards, destructive, hate-filled political hot air propaganda, 5.) subduing patriotic fervor by declaring that the US is no longer good and just but rather a rogue, self-centered, redneck, villainous state... and that as the only (current) world super power and therefore the trend setter to the rest of humanity, we should not be proud and strong as before, but weak and submissive to the international community. "Don't support our president", shout the liberals! "Support the presidents of France and Germany instead!" This sends the wrong message to our enemies. Suddenly, crackpots like Kim Jong Il feel strong enough to challenge the US. Naturally, when the next Democratic president comes in, the Republicans will counter with equal hateful fervor... and then constructive cooperation and reasoning no longer direct our foreign policy, but rather the petty squabbling of the bipartisanism. Gay marriage and welfare are fine in the imaginary world where there are no real problems to work on, but on planet Earth, there are madmen and evil foreign countries that want to kill us and destroy our benevolence. America has, for 60 years, been the guardian of democracy and humanitarianism, but with the internal division we face today, we're too busy broadcasting how much our president can't orate to notice that the ground is crumbling beneath our feet. In the real world, real problems need to be handled with firm action and unwavering force...THAT is what won us both the world wars, and lack of that is what lost us Vietnam (thanks to the advent of schismatic new liberalism). Needless to say, China suffers from none of these problems... not to say that China is a better country than us, because its not, but unfortunately for the world, its on the fast track to domination... being served to it upon a silver platter of liberal ideology.
I'm Benjamin Carr, and that's the truth.
BTW, gas is down to $2.69 here.
The price of gas in America - CoconutCommander - 19th September 2005
Gas is 2.39 average here
The price of gas in America - Great Rumbler - 19th September 2005
It's come down to $2.49 here.
The price of gas in America - Geno - 19th September 2005
It's around $2.59 or so here. The grocery store where I work did an event recently where you spend $50 a week six out of eight weeks so you could get a gift card for $25 worth of gas at BP. I just used mine today... gave me about half a tank in my Chevrolet Corsica. I think Winn-Dixie should start doing this program indefinitely. This saved me a good deal of money.
The price of gas in America - Weltall - 19th September 2005
Bravo, Darunia. Bravo. *claps*
The price of gas in America - Dark Jaguar - 19th September 2005
Oh ABF, I just had to say something. Just because there is no other plan doesn't mean that the one someone may be proposing must be chosen. It does mean think tanks need to get to work.
For an example, let us say there is someone dying of a disease we have no cure for at the moment. There is no treatment either. Let us assume no one has a plan on action, except one person. This person suggest something that violates current knowledge and also has no evidence to support it (all it needs if it fails the first test really, and at that point current knowledge is updated). Should that be done simply because there is no other way? I would submit not. Wasting time on a treatment with no chance of success is pointless. It wastes money and is also a shame in the sense that it wastes effort and the patient's mental state.
So, just because there is no alternative plan to eliminate fossil fuels doesn't mean we should embark on whatever plans someone can think of just to say we are doing something. Why not instead get people thinking on a plan that has a real chance to work to say we are doing something?
Basically what I'm saying is I'm sick of hearing about things like the military providing quack treatments as options to it's own soldiers, when that money could be better spent on REAL medicine (or, for example, wasting money researching psychic teleportation instead of using it on something that might actually save a soldier's life).
The price of gas in America - CoconutCommander - 20th September 2005
quack.
gas is $2.30 today.
The price of gas in America - Geno - 20th September 2005
I hope it keeps dropping like that until it's a halfway reasonable price again. (I never complained about the price of gas until it reached $2. Most people were bellyaching over the $1.70 gas.)
The price of gas in America - Darunia - 20th September 2005
Thank you, Ryan, for acknowleding my political manifesto. The Lessers here aren't ready to see the light yet, so I'll let them get away with ignoring it for now.
Gas was down to $2.69 in Middleboro, Massachusetts last night... but this morning back up to $2.82.
I started bellyaching at $1.80, starting rioting at $2.00, taking hostages at $2.20, and by $2.50 I'd designed my own personl vehicle, powered by my own sense of self-esteem.
The price of gas in America - Geno - 20th September 2005
Darunia Wrote:Thank you, Ryan, for acknowleding my political manifesto. The Lessers here aren't ready to see the light yet, so I'll let them get away with ignoring it for now.
I read the whole thing. :)
The price of gas in America - Weltall - 20th September 2005
Darunia Wrote:Thank you, Ryan, for acknowleding my political manifesto. The Lessers here aren't ready to see the light yet, so I'll let them get away with ignoring it for now.
Great minds think alike.
Quote:I started bellyaching at $1.80, starting rioting at $2.00, taking hostages at $2.20, and by $2.50 I'd designed my own personl vehicle, powered by my own sense of self-esteem.
I think in the six years I've known you, this is the first thing you ever said that truly made me laugh out loud. :D
If you don't count the Darunia Yodel CD. That was fucking hilarious. We need to find that again.
Gas here is $2.62.
The price of gas in America - Geno - 20th September 2005
I'm not sure what gas is like today, as I haven't left the house yet. I have an evening class, but no work.
The price of gas in America - Darunia - 20th September 2005
Anyone can read my manifesto, Geno. It takes an acute intellect to believe it.
The price of gas in America - Darunia - 20th September 2005
Thank you, Illusion, for unknowingly proving me correct.
Here, class, we have the archetypical Michael Moore Democrat:
"And don't knock on Canada either. Many parts of Canada are much better to live in than America..."
That's true, many parts of Canada may be better than America. But it's his stance that's so interesting: Here I was defending the United States, our country that we share and that I love, and he automatically takes the stance of defending Canada. He supports a foreign power over the United States. Why? Because he's not an American, he's a Democrat... as such, he has no loyalty to his country, but rather to a land rich in Liberal fervor: Canada.
he continues to support my claims by adding,
After all, we are an empire, right? We're on a decline. Just face the facts.
His sarcastic tone aside, the innermost beliefs ring true through his deception. He calls his country an empire, because of the negative connotations it bears. Coincidence that his Imperialistic appraisal of the United States also echoes the perceptions of our European counterparts? He also acknlowedges and then expresses an indifference to the plight of his country. Does that sound like a patriot, or a DEMOCRAT?
CHECK und MATE.
The price of gas in America - A Black Falcon - 20th September 2005
I don't respond because it is truly depressing to see people so deluded and convinced that lies are true...
The price of gas in America - Darunia - 20th September 2005
I challenge anybody alive to disprove what I said. It's all straight-forward and true.
If you truly love your country, you would never do anything to slander or hurt it, or take the stance of it's opponents.
The price of gas in America - CoconutCommander - 20th September 2005
I tend to ignore everything Darunia posts. Especially if it is longer than one or two sentences. He has that "oooooo, Im so enlightened, let me toss around some political terminology" attitude, and that just drives me bonkers. And then he will declare war on something or say some retarded comment about democrats or liberals. If I want to listen to Darunia's schpeel, I will turn on Rush Limbaugh.