Quote:It's said here that OB1 argues with everyone, and can be such an itch under the skin that one can't help but try to scratch it. Personally, I disagree. I've gotten into some heated debates over Star Wars with him, and a few other things of little importance, but I never get into long, novelistic flamewars with him. Why? Partially because I know him, and I know belaboring the point can be a fruitless task with him. I know that his endurance is beyond legendary, even if his patience is anything but. However, even when he and I disagree, we never get into thermonuclear wars. Why? Because I do know when to stop. Yes, OB1 does seem to always have the last word, but so do those of you who toe it out with him (read: ABF). The two of you go on for ages, and I have always said it's because you both love the thrill of the fight, or whatever you call it. However, some of you are as guilty of not knowing when to stop as he is. ABF, I'm looking at you now. (Funny enough, if there's anyone that I find irresistable to argue with, it's ABF... but even then, it does sometimes get to a point where there's no point in going on).

Quote:Tendo City can be a great place to be sometimes, but for the most part it's a real drag. ABF has the amazing ability to turn everything into a heated debate, and I'm not one to back down to easily. If you've ever looked at the end of our big argument threads you'll see that 95% of the time it's me who leaves the debate. It's very time consuming and believe it or not I hate getting into arguments. The only reason I do is because I hate letting people get away with making inane comments and ridiculous claims. But I almost always have to abandon an argument with that guy. Worst yet is that he fails to do the very thing that he claims that I cannot do: admit defeat. It's an endless cycle that I do not care to participate in any longer.

I really do think that we need to de-admin a lot of people here. I'm the only one aside from you, Ryan, who has used my admin powers to help the forum. You showed me how to fix TC when it goes down and I've done it countless times over the years. I've been deleting the largest images through the control panel as per your request, and I'm the only one who splits threads that ABF and I ruin. ABF has yet to do that even once.

Quote:The two of you go on for ages, and I have always said it's because you both love the thrill of the fight, or whatever you call it. However, some of you are as guilty of not knowing when to stop as he is. ABF, I'm looking at you now.

Quote:You see, that right there is what creates an endless circle of hate. You think that I can't admit when I'm wrong, so whenever you know that I'm actually right, YOU refuse to admit that YOU'RE wrong. I must agree with you that I don't admit defeat very often.

Quote:But that has nothing to do with pride, believe it or not, it's simply because I still believe that what I'm saying is true.

Quote:You see the thing is that I rarely ever get into a debate on a subject that I don't know much about, which seems to be the opposite with you.

Quote:It's never a matter of me not wanting to listen to your point of view, it's a matter of me fully understanding your point of view but disagreeing with it. If I feel a certain way about something and all you have as a counterpoint is "you are wrong", then that is not going to change my mind.

Quote:Take that old Banjo Pilot "debate" as an example. Say what you will about me but lazy has even worse debating skills than I do and will simply attack someone for not understanding his point of view rather than trying to explain it better. In that thread I did not think that making a racing game where you controlled Banjo-Kazooie in the same way that you do in their platforming games would make a whole lot of sense, and lazy's points did not change my mind at first. He basically said that it's all cartoon crap so believability goes out the window, while I believe that there has to be a certain level of believability within the context of a cartoon. So we went back and forth with insults and he finally came up with another idea which would actually make sense (instead of the Kazooie-goes-on-top way they fly in the platformers, Kazooie would act as a plane and Banjo would sit on top of her, using her tail like a propeller), and I admitted that that method sounded good and made perfect sense. If only lazy had made that particular suggestion from the very beginning. Our arguing actually forced him to come up with a way that would make perfect sense, so in the end we both were effectively "right". However, after I admitted that this method would work you guys refused to end the debate and continued to throw out insults about how wrong I was for not agreeing with lazy in the beginning. So naturally I left the stupid debate for good. That is a perfect example of me being convinced of another opinion and accepting "defeat" (it's not really defeat but you guys can call it what you like).

Quote:Brian, you simply don't have convincing arguments and your points rarely ever have good reasoning, IMO. And since you don't want to fix this endless cycle because of your pride nothing will ever change. That is all I will say about this. I am not going to participate in another argument.

Quote:The fact that EM moved our thread and deleted some posts really pissed me off.

Quote:No sane person would lurk at Tendo City. Who on earth would want to spend their free time reading our stupid posts? And to know enough about this particular subject, Mr. Troll here would have to read entire debates between the two of us, and if that's the case then he needs to seek medical attention ASAP.

OB1 Wrote:No sane person would lurk at Tendo City. Who on earth would want to spend their free time reading our stupid posts? And to know enough about this particular subject, Mr. Troll here would have to read entire debates between the two of us, and if that's the case then he needs to seek medical attention ASAP.

EdenMaster Wrote:Sometimes the arguments you two have are either the only thing happening, or the most entertaining thing going on :D

Quote:Gah...so much drama. I think I am going back to PSX2C. I am a little frightened of you guys, plus the cursing is 2 times worse here. I take that back, they even out. Nobody likes me at either place anyways. So why be at either one you ask? Don't ask..

Quote:Most of the drama is over now, actually. Although I must say that you probably didn't come at the best possible time, matters being what they are. TC's really not THAT bad once you get used to it...after that you're just kind of numb. True story.

Quote:Definition: criticism or advice that is useful and intended to help or improve something, often with an offer of possible solutions

Quote:Idiots who post for the sole purpose of trying to add more to flame wars are not trying to improve things or offer solutions. It's trolling, plain and simple.

Quote:I've already said most of what I have to say about the whole topic. This recent disruption is obviously just a flashpoint of hostility that's been brewing for awhile. OB1, I really think you need to take a deep breath sometimes. Even though I get into some heated debates with ABF, even when I think he's got his head so far up his ass that his nose is tickling his prostate, and even though almost every debate we get into turns into something not much unlike what your arguments with him become, I don't resent him, or anyone else, the way you do with several people. It's a message board, plain and simple. There's no prize for having the last word, or receiving acknowledgement of being right (and honestly after this long, you should know better than to expect it). I hate to single you outm but you are at the center of this, even if it wasn't your intent. I think a good deal of these situations can be defused if you just swallow your pride. I don't want you to leave, or anyone else. Let's act like rational adults, recognize and understand our differences, and get along.

Me: wtf :crap:

Quote:Ask yourself this: if this were "real life" would you say the same thing? Message board or not, these are real people with real opinions who can be real assholes. Now I know that hiding behind a computer monitor brings out the asshole in a person really well, but I make no distinction between cyber jerks and real world ones. It just so happens that I really don't know any jerks in real life. Not any personally, really.

As for Nick Burns, his only posts in the past few months have been provocations and flames over the past two days, which makes him a troll. ABF is not a troll because that's not all that he posts here. That is not his main goal.

Quote:Okay look.

This is just a message board, you know. If it's really important to any individual to make sure everyone knows they're right about something, I dunno what to say.

I'm trying to keep peace here. I don't want anyone leaving because of this, so stop insulting people because their post counts are low. We don't get many, and it's destructive behavior to tell them to get lost.

I've already said most of what I have to say about the whole topic. This recent disruption is obviously just a flashpoint of hostility that's been brewing for awhile. OB1, I really think you need to take a deep breath sometimes. Even though I get into some heated debates with ABF, even when I think he's got his head so far up his ass that his nose is tickling his prostate, and even though almost every debate we get into turns into something not much unlike what your arguments with him become, I don't resent him, or anyone else, the way you do with several people. It's a message board, plain and simple. There's no prize for having the last word, or receiving acknowledgement of being right (and honestly after this long, you should know better than to expect it). I hate to single you outm but you are at the center of this, even if it wasn't your intent. I think a good deal of these situations can be defused if you just swallow your pride. I don't want you to leave, or anyone else. Let's act like rational adults, recognize and understand our differences, and get along.

Quote:You are so damn weird.

Quote:I even said "As for Nick Burns".

You are so damn weird.

Quote:Ask yourself this: if this were "real life" would you say the same thing? Message board or not, these are real people with real opinions who can be real assholes. Now I know that hiding behind a computer monitor brings out the asshole in a person really well, but I make no distinction between cyber jerks and real world ones. It just so happens that I really don't know any jerks in real life. Not any personally, really.

Quote:I've already said most of what I have to say about the whole topic. This recent disruption is obviously just a flashpoint of hostility that's been brewing for awhile. OB1, I really think you need to take a deep breath sometimes. Even though I get into some heated debates with ABF, even when I think he's got his head so far up his ass that his nose is tickling his prostate, and even though almost every debate we get into turns into something not much unlike what your arguments with him become, I don't resent him, or anyone else, the way you do with several people. It's a message board, plain and simple. There's no prize for having the last word, or receiving acknowledgement of being right (and honestly after this long, you should know better than to expect it). I hate to single you outm but you are at the center of this, even if it wasn't your intent. I think a good deal of these situations can be defused if you just swallow your pride. I don't want you to leave, or anyone else. Let's act like rational adults, recognize and understand our differences, and get along.

Quote:Ask yourself this: if this were "real life" would you say the same thing? Message board or not, these are real people with real opinions who can be real assholes. Now I know that hiding behind a computer monitor brings out the asshole in a person really well, but I make no distinction between cyber jerks and real world ones. It just so happens that I really don't know any jerks in real life. Not any personally, really.