Quote:Hmm... to attract more people to this post (and to watch that video), at the end they have a video segment they've put together with clips from various "offending" games. The most interesting part is that they've got footage from two ... adult ... games that managed M ratings: The Guy Game and Leisure Suit Larry: Magna Cum Laude. That is, footage of the worst parts. Including nudity. Yeah. And this was played on national (cable) television... probably in primetime too... kind of goes against their message...

Quote:How's that going to attract more people to the post? First off, it's at the END of the post and they'd have to read through it to even see the attractor . Second off, it's not all that attractive to the sorts of people who go here. MOST of us, I'd like to think anyway, aren't the sort who gawk at various travesties saying in a sickeningly ironic way "how can anyone watch that?".

Quote:Anyway, as far as the clerks, they're CLERKS! These are people who just sorta show up and run the register. They honestly don't care at all about their jobs and their opinions are pretty meaningless. Make them legally responsible and then there's something.

Quote:Heh heh, I remember reading about that at Fark. Good 'ol C-Span, what would we ever do without you?

Quote:I know that this topic has been beaten to death, and beaten again after it's died, and then again the ground where its buried beaten as well, but still...

Quote:Government censorship would be a disaster. I agree that a lot of these games are despicable, but like GR said censorship would only lead to more censorship, and pretty soon we'd end up like those poor blokes in Australia and England. If you don't censor hardcore porn then you have no right to censor Leisure Suit Larry!

Quote:Yes, media may have an impact on impressionable children and we should keep them away from some games. But the media and people like Leiberman overstate the impact, I think... the biggest problem are people who blame one media format without doing much with the others. Movies and music are probably more culpable. The problem really is that we are an open society and don't really want to ban things but we know that these things are having some kind of negative effect on children... so what do we do? Keeping them away from children as best we can is obviously the way to go at least at first and I'd say that overall it's working... not in every regard but it's improving.

The real question is how much things like games affect children. The answer is, it seems, that we don't really know. Maybe a little. More for people who don't understand the difference between reality and fantasy yet -- such people should not be playing violent games, I would think. Much less for people who do.

Quote:Kids can get acess to porno more easily then any game, Then can get it in seconds for free at that.

Great Rumbler Wrote:Very true, the internet is free [since the parents pay for it] and a game like Leisure Sui Larry [which probably isn't that great anyway] costs about $50.

I've said it before, but if parents would take more active roles in their kids life we probably wouldn't be having problems like these. It's the breakdown of the family unit and kids having terrible home lives that is causing this just as much [if not more so] than anything else.

Quote:I think online porn effects a young boys brain more then even a sexed up video game because the most extreme in a video game is probaily softcore. A kid can just stay up late at night if he has cable tv and will see porn there too.

Quote:Very true, the internet is free [since the parents pay for it] and a game like Leisure Sui Larry [which probably isn't that great anyway] costs about $50.

I've said it before, but if parents would take more active roles in their kids life we probably wouldn't be having problems like these. It's the breakdown of the family unit and kids having terrible home lives that is causing this just as much [if not more so] than anything else.

Quote:Let's look at the facts, MOST kids aren't killing each other. It is a minority, a very small minority, going around killing. It's still bad and must be dealt with, but things that the majority of kids do should be pretty much ruled out as the cause of the actions of this minority. Most kids don't kill, but most kids HAVE played "murder sims". Thus, without any evidence to back them up, these people have no scientific claim to the idea that these games cause violence.

Quote:Now when I hear "a study" on the news, I groan. They offer no information on this study at all. Was it done by some very disciplined scientists, or some high school students looking for an A? Was the test double-blind, as all psych tests have to be, or a survey of random people (which has no real scientific merit)? Now, the first question there isn't really relevent to the accuracy of the test, I'm just saying they don't provide ANY data on it at all. I could post all manner of "studies" of my own that amount to mere anecdotal stories about kids I've seen walking around various malls, and that would have about the same merit as these studies for all I know. Rather, instead of spending time looking at the actual test, they just interview anyone who would say "oh I totally agree", and notably these people really don't have the right background to really have the right to an opinion about it.

Quote:Anyway, I'll only say what I think is most likely. It's either some special condition or situation that only applies to this minority (genetics for example), or a lot of factors that only happen to coincide with this minority (like for example not JUST violent games or a bad upbringing alone, but rather both at once which would be rarer). I have no proof, but these are a lot more logical than the claim that violent media, which everyone has been exposed to, is the sole reason this happens.

Quote:OB1, you're really getting on my nerves with all of your one or two word (at most) posts... if you have something to say say it...

Quote:Anyway, DJ, OB1 is in part right: You are missing my point, it seems.

Quote:Uh, I was referring to the fact that you responded to the PA comic that I posted, which DJ then responded to thinking that you were responding to her.

Quote:Not sure exactly how one could think I was responding to the Manhunt post but oh well....

Quote:Anyway, it seems we mostly agree, but in regards to specificially, the idea that GTA would make someone risen under otherwise the same conditions more violent than playing Mario, maybe you should play Mario some more. You pretty much kill every single thing you see there. There's another point. Not once as a child was I ever dumb enough to try jumping on my sibling's heads to get coins to pop out of their arse. That's along the same lines as a kid jumping off a roof with a towel tied to their neck thinking they can fly like Super Man. If not GTA, kids will play games with evil bad guys and such. Heck, as a kid we all played games with good and evil knights battling over such grand things as a screen door we found in the ravine behind our house, and that was just pure imagination power, and yes, we imagined like fountains of blood and the overaction lots of children do with the hands simulating da bloody, but at no point did we actually go a step too far and use actual knives, because we knew we would totally get in trouble if we even picked them up .

Quote:We're talking about OB1 here, remember...

A Black Falcon Wrote:I thought I knew, and was right... you were the one who was confused. :)