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America to stay "One nation under God" - Great Rumbler - 14th June 2004 Quote:WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court preserved the phrase “one nation, under God,” in the Pledge of Allegiance, ruling Monday that a California atheist could not challenge the patriotic oath but sidestepping the broader question of separation of church and state. This is very good news for a lot of Americans, no doubt about that. MSNBC America to stay "One nation under God" - A Black Falcon - 14th June 2004 Deceptive thread name. They didn't say that that line should or shouldn't stay in the Pledge. They dodged the question by dropping it on a technicality.a America to stay "One nation under God" - Great Rumbler - 14th June 2004 Deceptive? Not really. While they did throw out the case based on a technicality, it does uphold the line "Under God" for now. America to stay "One nation under God" - A Black Falcon - 14th June 2004 But it's not a definitive ruling. I'm sure now that someone will bring it up again. America to stay "One nation under God" - Great Rumbler - 14th June 2004 Of course someone's going to bring it up again, but the rulling still means that the line is upheld. I do wish that they would have made a definite rulling on the constitutionality of that one line, since it appears they would have voted in favor of it, but I'm satisfied for now. America to stay "One nation under God" - alien space marine - 14th June 2004 I think the real feeling is that people think , They were trying to erase and get rid of our belief in "God". But I understand why some would want this removed. In canada we had The lords prayer and both the canadian and English national anthems, " God Save the queen" . The Lords prayer in school was removed in all provinces except one, Since the jews, Atheist,Non christians had problems with it, Surprisingly the Muslims did not. God save the queen is gone not because of the religous references, But to show canada's indepedance from England.Also because two anthems and a prayer was time consuming. I think placing bans in public places like france is going to far, Are you gonna put a kid in detention or suspend him because he made a quiet prayer to himself before he started to eat his food at lunch? Plus isnt it rediculous that you can have facial hair only if its not religous? I think the french law is racist and was directed specifically at the Muslims, Now the Sikes and Huindu all other groups are gonna have to quit school because they wont cut their beards because its a sin in their faith. America to stay "One nation under God" - Fittisize - 14th June 2004 Flag day? America to stay "One nation under God" - Great Rumbler - 14th June 2004 Lots of countries have it apparently. America to stay "One nation under God" - EdenMaster - 14th June 2004 Good. Go back to California and shut up, you stupid person, you. *raspberry* The fact that he had the gall to think he could change a historic pledge just because he didn't like the G word. Well you know what, you're in the friggen minority so deal with it. Sheesh. America to stay "One nation under God" - Weltall - 14th June 2004 I giggled like a fool when I saw this. Not just because they made the right decision, not just because at least this time we didn't take a step backwards as a culture... ...but because it was extraordinarily satisfying to see that annoying, arrogant, self-important atheist prick go home defeated and pouting like the stupid California fuck he is. America to stay "One nation under God" - Dark Jaguar - 14th June 2004 To be perfectly honest, I REALLY don't care at ALL about this sort of thing. Keep it, toss it, whatever. Doesn't matter to me. It's been added and dropped many times before and didn't have some drastic effect on America or people's ability to have faith. All I care about is how much money was wasted on such a non-issue here. America to stay "One nation under God" - A Black Falcon - 14th June 2004 Quote: Don't say it? Sure, but you still have to LISTEN!Oh, for goodness sake. Get over it. Edit: fuckin a, I thought I was quoting.... crap! Sorry! :( America to stay "One nation under God" - alien space marine - 14th June 2004 You changed it to piss off them athiest Soviet commies. I think what is it Alberta or Saskatchewan or somthing that still has the Lords Prayer every morning in alot of schools, Thats worse. You also realize that swearing allegiance in itself is a act of worship and devotion. America to stay "One nation under God" - A Black Falcon - 14th June 2004 Quote:You changed it to piss off them athiest Soviet commies. That is exactly correct. America to stay "One nation under God" - EdenMaster - 15th June 2004 A Black Falcon Wrote:Don't say it? Sure, but you still have to LISTEN! It's a prayer if there's ever been one and there's no way that it should be in public schools in that form. So what? The majority of American citizens believes in God in some form, and if you don't, you can't expect them to change on your behalf. That's like demanding that McDonalds stop making burgers because you prefer hot dogs. It's pointless and absurd. Just shut up and deal with it. America to stay "One nation under God" - Weltall - 15th June 2004 Well damn, I went and turned one of ABF's posts into mine by mistake, I hit the edit button by mistake and didn't realize until I saw my post with ABF's name on it. I tried to fix it but it doesn't appear possible. Sorry, ABF. I didn't do it intentionally. :( America to stay "One nation under God" - A Black Falcon - 15th June 2004 Thanks for erasing my post... if anyone missed it, I was saying how that line was added for the express purpose of getting Americans to be more religious, and not just as a symbol of our religious heritage, so I don't see how it could possibly be anything other than a very thinly veiled prayer. As ASM said, it's there because they wanted to counter the evil godless commies. Hmm, I am REALLY wondering if it was meant just as a recognition of our religious heritage... ![]() What the Pledge is is a statement in school every day that everyone should be religious and believe in God and if you don't you aren't an American (you're a evil Commie, they'd say when they added it in). I don't think that that is very much in line with freedom of religion... or speech... or separation of church and state... America to stay "One nation under God" - Geno - 16th June 2004 The Pilgrims came to America to escape religious persecution. Now, we won't have to leave America to escape religious persecution. But I agree with DJ that it was ridiculous to spend so much money on deciding whether or not we should ban two words from the pledge. America to stay "One nation under God" - Great Rumbler - 16th June 2004 Quote:The Pilgrims came to America to escape religious persecution. Now, we won't have to leave America to escape religious persecution. No kidding, and now we'e got the ACLU running around the country telling any city or county that it has to remove anything religious from their seals even if it's of a historical nature. ACLU = teh suck. America to stay "One nation under God" - A Black Falcon - 16th June 2004 The Pilgrims ran to not just escape religious persecution, but to do it themselves. Remember, in Pilgrim areas you had to conform to their religious laws... it wasn't a protest about persecution, but trying to get away from the other guys' so they could do it their way. :) America to stay "One nation under God" - alien space marine - 16th June 2004 Those Pilgrims did business with anyone. The idea of starting a colony is to create your own fresh start and make your own laws. When in Rome do what the Romans do , If you dont like it leave and make your own thing,Which is how things worked then. The Colonies were not a unified country with the same equal laws.They were individual nations doing things there own way.This was before democracy the hole world was like this not just the Pilgrims. But unlike the rest of the world the Pilgrims just wanted to keep to themselves , They didnt start wars on the other colonist,But they would trade with anyone even their rivals. America to stay "One nation under God" - Great Rumbler - 16th June 2004 Quote:The Pilgrims ran to not just escape religious persecution, but to do it themselves. Remember, in Pilgrim areas you had to conform to their religious laws... it wasn't a protest about persecution, but trying to get away from the other guys' so they could do it their way. Are you dumb? The official church of England at that time was heavy-handed against religious groups that didn't follow their teachings. The Pilgrims didn't like it so they got some ships together and sailed to America. America to stay "One nation under God" - A Black Falcon - 16th June 2004 You ignored my point. When the Pilgrims arrived, they did exactly the same thing and made it so you had to belong to their church to live in their colonies... they didn't disagree with the idea of controlling which ideas people should live by, just the ones that the mainstream Anglicans had chosen. Their rules were just as heavy-handed towards anyone who wasn't one of them. America to stay "One nation under God" - alien space marine - 16th June 2004 How severe was this persecution? Was it simpily your not welcome to live here ? Or did they run at them with Pitch forks and burn them alive like back in europe? Who was there to be persecuted? I know some of the Pilgrims made freinds with the indians, Traded with them and even needed their help in knowing how to survive in north america. All them Pilgrim decendants all banded together to fight agaist the english for independance. The Question is who wants to live with them Pilgrims if you dont believe in their faith?You werent forced to live with them. America became a melting pot of cultures eventually tolerance began when the constitution was written. America to stay "One nation under God" - A Black Falcon - 16th June 2004 Tolerance? More so than many places but the different parts of the nation were definitely intolerant, just not in the same way. The Pilgrims? They had a lot of laws that made it just about impossible to live there unless you wanted to live like them, such as mandatory (very long) church services on sundays... America to stay "One nation under God" - Great Rumbler - 16th June 2004 Still, the reason they came here was for the specific purpose of escaping persecution by the Church of England. America to stay "One nation under God" - A Black Falcon - 16th June 2004 True. But it's ignoring a big part of the story. America to stay "One nation under God" - alien space marine - 16th June 2004 I understand what ABF is getting at , People always seem to think people came here namely the Pilgrims and became such liberty freedom loving folks when in reality they just wanted to have their own seperate state for their own beliefs and theirs solely. The reason many also came besides escaping persecution, Is the ability to finally have their own private land for themselves and in a way descide their own destiny. America to stay "One nation under God" - Sacred Jellybean - 17th June 2004 This is a dumb debate. I wouldn't call being forced to listen to the words "under god" in one minute during a school day religious persecution. I, myself, don't really believe in god, or at least one that watches over us and protects us, but still, it wasn't traumatic to me IN THE LEAST to hear the words "under god" during the pledge of allegience every day. If it were up to me, "under god" would be taken out of the pledge of allegience, simply because it's a pointless line (imo). At the same time, though, I think pressing charges against a school is a waste of money and time. Put up with it and shut up. America to stay "One nation under God" - A Black Falcon - 17th June 2004 I wouldn't sue over it myself or anything, but it'd just be nicer if it wasn't there. America to stay "One nation under God" - alien space marine - 17th June 2004 They say God, But Which God?God or Lord is a very vague wording , Under god could mean anything,It could be Zeus or Odin!Jesus even called Satan the God of this system of things. Personally it should go , Religous leaders dabbeling in politics is the reason for the corruption that has tainted and brought reproach on gods name.Jesus said religious leaders cause a spiritual fornication when they get involved in the politics and doings of mans earthly goverment. Church and state should stay seperate . America to stay "One nation under God" - EdenMaster - 17th June 2004 A Black Falcon Wrote:I wouldn't sue over it myself or anything, but it'd just be nicer if it wasn't there. It'd be nicer?? That's a stupid reason. If we were forcing people at gun point to say "Under God", that I could see, but if you don't agree with it, don't say it, and if it bothers you that much to hear other people say it, then you've really got some sensitivity problems. When you say the pledge, just skip the part that says under God. I've heard people say "indivisible" in place of under God. It's not a big deal, it's two little words you have to hear once a day. If that's the most important thing you have to worry about, then you've got one hell of an easy life. America to stay "One nation under God" - alien space marine - 17th June 2004 I think really, You should let the school board decide to use the current pledge or go back to the old pre 50's pledge or make a new one. I think let the parents decide what they want and allow the school boards to make the decision on it. Places populated with majority southern Baptist for exmaple may be more in favour the current pledge and since they make up the majority of people in the school in that area its up to them to decide what to do. I believe in the everyone should win policy.I dont think a few whiners should decide for everyone. America to stay "One nation under God" - A Black Falcon - 17th June 2004 By 'nicer' I mean 'much more pleasant'. It was annoying to have to listen to that every day... as I said, sure, you don't have to say it yourself, but you have to listen to the other people saying it and that's just as important... America to stay "One nation under God" - Great Rumbler - 17th June 2004 I hear people all the time saying things I don't want to hear. America to stay "One nation under God" - A Black Falcon - 17th June 2004 But this is in school. Normally when someone says something you don't want to hear you have an easy way to not have to listen... America to stay "One nation under God" - Great Rumbler - 17th June 2004 Quote:But this is in school. School was what I was talking about. America to stay "One nation under God" - Dark Jaguar - 17th June 2004 I put up with a lot of stupid things in school that were said all the time myself. I mean, consider the pep rally. If you ask me, that's the biggest waste of time they ever forced me to go to, but it's not like I was FORCED to cheer. Sure, they guilted me about it, saying "what, you don't have any SCHOOL SPIRIT and PRIDE?!", but they didn't make me do anything except be there. No one ever said you had the right not to hear other people say things, ever. America to stay "One nation under God" - A Black Falcon - 17th June 2004 Pep Rallies are idiotic and they shouldn't make anyone go. Fortunately, we only had three (one per year, at homecoming) when I was in highschool; there wasn't one in sophomore year because the year before a bunch of people who had then been juniors did stuff and got it canned the next year (when they were still there)... but they're stupid, so I wasn't exactly sad. :) America to stay "One nation under God" - alien space marine - 17th June 2004 I hated them to , I somtimes ditch school for the day since thats all they were doing no clases at all,Went home and relaxed. Unfortunately unlike ever before , I had a bad habait of jigging in high school. especially when I changed to a school closer to home that was within walking distance.But surprisingly I would always see people that were jigging too. America to stay "One nation under God" - A Black Falcon - 17th June 2004 I didn't miss a day of highschool, and never skipped a class... ... okay, so it's been a bit different at college, but that was true for highschool. It'd have been true in Jr. High too, but I missed two or three days because of sickness in each of 7th and 8th grades... 6th I also had perfect attendance. :) America to stay "One nation under God" - alien space marine - 17th June 2004 In jr high only 3 people had perfect attendance in the hole school. I didnt Jig then , So it was sickness or another reason like a family vacation. I feel time much time is wasted in school on prep rallies,In some cases long boring pointless assemblies some of which take up the hole afternoon, I rarely even went to those and rarely did I ever miss anything important that I needed to ask what I missed. In canada we have that ridiculous career day everywhere 3-4 months that takes up the hole day and no regular clases either , We make this big portfulio which we likely wont see again or even care to have it back,Sure maybe there is some good info on career planing, But how many of us remeber it by the time we finnish school? Most of us have no idea what we want to do in the future. For me have no clear cut goals and I have no ideas, That makes me depressed so I just concenstrate in the here and now . America to stay "One nation under God" - Geno - 18th June 2004 Don't worry about what you wanna do for the rest of your life if you don't already have it planned. Just go with the flow and something'll come to you eventually. When it comes time to get a job, you can try something small like a bagger at a grocery store. Of course, that's not something you'd want to do for the rest of your life, but it can earn you money in the meantime. America to stay "One nation under God" - Great Rumbler - 18th June 2004 I haven't missed a day of school in years. America to stay "One nation under God" - Fittisize - 18th June 2004 I've skipped class four times this year. But it was only French class, and I don't really care about that. America to stay "One nation under God" - Geno - 19th June 2004 I'm only out if it's for a fieldtrip (which is automatically an excused absence anyway) or if I'm sick. (Okay, so I do pull the Farris Bueler sometimes.) America to stay "One nation under God" - nickdaddyg - 9th August 2004 Before I say anything, let me say I only had the patience to read about 9 or 10 posts. Anyway, my stance: 1. This is a Christian founded nation. 2. The ACLU is aka liberals trying to take over the country. (As a matter of fact, I'm gonna make a post about them in here.) 3. If you don't like the phrase "under God" don't say it. 4. If you wanna try to sue or complain to the government, (for any reason but most likely just having something to complain about, or be "cool and rebellious and anti-government like Rag3 a9a1n5t th3 mach1ne!!!, or just wanting to feel sorry for yourself), then I say get the devil out of this country or be shot. America to stay "One nation under God" - Great Rumbler - 9th August 2004 Quote:3. If you don't like the phrase "under God" don't say it. Yeah, but what all those poor children who have to hear the word "God"? I mean good grief man they could be scared for life and become serial killers because of something so traumatizing!! Someone please think of the children!! And then there's the whole "Christian symbols on city/state seal make people feel unwelcome" which is the most absurd thing I've ever heard in my life, but the ACLU uses it all the time. Quote:1. This is a Christian founded nation. It was and many of the founding fathers were religious, not all but most of them were. One thing that invariably comes up is seperation of church and state. There's nothing in the constitution that says the two MUST be seperate, what it was designed to do was to keep the goverment from establishing a state-recognized church or from making laws that against some churchs in favor of others, not to bar religion from public view. America to stay "One nation under God" - A Black Falcon - 9th August 2004 There are a lot of people who would argue that mentions of God in the way they are frequently made are now (but were not so much in 1792) disriminatory against some religions. America to stay "One nation under God" - Weltall - 10th August 2004 There are a lot of people who do. They're all still wrong. |