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Teh Phant0m!!!111 - A Black Falcon - 10th May 2004 http://gear.ign.com/articles/512/512854p1.html Teh Phant0m!!!111 - OB1 - 10th May 2004 Post the damn article, lazy ass. Teh Phant0m!!!111 - A Black Falcon - 10th May 2004 Click. You're being even more lazy than me... :) Teh Phant0m!!!111 - OB1 - 10th May 2004 I could easily click on that link, but I refuse to because you still haven't learned how to post a news article. Teh Phant0m!!!111 - A Black Falcon - 10th May 2004 I know how. I just only do so sometimes. Teh Phant0m!!!111 - A Black Falcon - 10th May 2004 Quote:Pre-E3 2004: The Phantom Materializes ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Teh Phant0m!!!111 - Great Rumbler - 10th May 2004 The big question is "Are people ready to start doing things like that?" that and "Will this system have games that I care about?" Teh Phant0m!!!111 - A Black Falcon - 10th May 2004 I like buying boxes! And having boxes! This thing is stupid. For someone like me anyway. But they've always said they're aiming for a mass market... Teh Phant0m!!!111 - OB1 - 10th May 2004 Well at least the system is sexy-looking. Teh Phant0m!!!111 - A Black Falcon - 10th May 2004 Interesting pay structure, though... Teh Phant0m!!!111 - OB1 - 10th May 2004 One that Nintendo actually said they might do in the future a while back. Teh Phant0m!!!111 - A Black Falcon - 10th May 2004 I still want to buy a box in the store. And keep the box forever. :) Teh Phant0m!!!111 - Great Rumbler - 10th May 2004 $30 of a month for two years is quite a chunk of change for a console and a "basic" library of game [that doesn't fill me with a lot of hope]. And one thing I've always thought about is what happens if the company goes under? Well, you can kiss your games and money good-bye, because the console is worthless. Teh Phant0m!!!111 - A Black Falcon - 10th May 2004 But you wouldn't have to keep spending the $30... :) Oh, and the games on the HDD would still work I'd expect. Though that isn't saying much. You're right, there are definite issues there... as well as with that HDD! For whole games installed... 40gb isn't much! Unless it just streams them from elsewhere and doesn't actually install them... but then the issues with if it fails become even more clear. Yeah, there are definite problems here. Teh Phant0m!!!111 - Great Rumbler - 10th May 2004 I missed the part about the hard drive. Yeah, you COULD still play it, but there'd be no getting used games and you're limited to how many games you can have. Teh Phant0m!!!111 - OB1 - 10th May 2004 :D ![]() Hahaha... they really want people to know that they're not just one big joke. Teh Phant0m!!!111 - A Black Falcon - 10th May 2004 You're supposed to delete some I guess... which seems pretty dumb... I mean, pay for a game but if you can't keep it anymore delete it forever? Could you regain access without paying again? Will they discontinue games, making it impossible to ever get those games again (unlike most where you can get used)? So many problems... Teh Phant0m!!!111 - Dark Jaguar - 10th May 2004 Maybe the HD is removable and replacable with others... Still, the entire concept really sorta defeats the whole purpose of owning a game. If I want something like this, I HAVE online sites that will let me pay a fee to keep games as long as I want and just get them mailed to my house. In other news, yeah I want to know myself why PC games have never been rentable. I suppose those same online sites may eventually add them to their lists of things. If it turns out it's piracy related, then once again thiefs have ruined a perfectly good thing for me personally due to their selfishness! Anyway, back to this, yeah honestly it's an interesting idea in theory, and one of my old programming teachers really actually WANTS a future where you get EVERY bit of data online and never have to bother with physical media again. I however, don't. I like being able to play each and every one of my games "off the system" as it is. Having to rely on the existance of that company to know my product will work is not my idea of true ownership. I remember XBand, great idea, but due to not having the forsight to have a set of instructions on how to set up your own XBand server, when the company died, so did the service, and now all I have is a useless purple brick that plays generation x music. Maybe someone will one day decide to hack the thing and set up their own server, then publish the ip address to connect to in order to get to it. Of course, to get your XBand hooked up to THAT, they'd also have to provide a sort of spoofer for the PC that tricks the XBand into thinking it dialed into the network, then the PC, once it got the XBand connected to it's modem, would then go online itself and go to that server. Once this guy goes belly up, and I still have a feeling he will considering his past, I have a feeling people will be equally unable to do anything. Worse though, unlike the XBand, which only did the job of connecting people, all the games and the device itself being things you owned, the GAMES won't actually be anyone's to legally distribute. Even if someone did set up a server, it would certainly be shut down because, after all, they WOULD have to break the law and provide the games for download. I fully agree with the illegality of it, but it's just another downer. Besides, I have a strong feeling that your games would be considered illegal even if they WERE still on your drive once the service failed, just like if you stopped payments and cancelled it, and as such, it would likely require you to sign in even if it's just a single player game to confirm your account before you start. Really, in a true communism future where the evil of humanity is eliminated and people can exchange ideas freely while giving in return where the internet and everything about it is free, yeah, making ALL data online is a good solution. However, that future will NEVER occur and CAN never occur, and as such, I have to say not only is this idea not feasible now, I don't think it EVER will be. A single service for free games on an account is the only way a company can make a profit off this, and as a result you are tied to that company in order to use the machine. The alternative is what is already being done, that is, just downloading free games anyway legally online that people make now and again, but the generous people who make those nifty games make no profit off them, and thus there will only be so many, and only be so much quality one can get, out of that. All I'm saying is the closest we'll ever get to this thing being a working model, if you ask me, is the current system of free games being made and published online for download by non-profit groups. Great though it is, it's never going to be the standard. Eh, I guess that means I don't think this will take off. Then again, XBox Live succeeded, and that ties people to a single company too. Teh Phant0m!!!111 - Great Rumbler - 10th May 2004 I'd rather have the disc on my hand so if anything goes wrong I can just install it again. And I don't want to pay a monthly fee to play a gaming console. Teh Phant0m!!!111 - A Black Falcon - 10th May 2004 PC games aren't rentable because of piracy, obviously. Simple answer. It'd be far, far too easy to pirate games if you could take them home. Oh, and I'm wondering how many exclusives it'll have. I mean, it IS a PC. Oh, the X-Box basically is too, but this is even more so and doesn't have a big company like MS to push people to make exclusives... Teh Phant0m!!!111 - Dark Jaguar - 10th May 2004 What about back before CD burners were availabe? I wanted to rent PC games THEN too! And that whole issue just makes me mad. Kill the piraters! Make 'em walk the plank, aarrrrrggg.... .... mmmyarg arg... arg... Teh Phant0m!!!111 - OB1 - 10th May 2004 Well you can rent movies and those are also easy to copy. Piracy can't be the issue because there's nothing PC developers can do to stop Blockbuster, etc. from renting out PC games. Nintendo tried to prevent their games from being rented out in the 80's, remember that? It's probably because PC games aren't as mainstream as console games are. ![]() Teh Phant0m!!!111 - A Black Falcon - 10th May 2004 The only period where it might have happened was after games switched to CDs (floppies are very, very easy to copy and the "solution", copywright protection... can you imagine having to rent out codewheels? It'd NEVER work!) and before burners got popular. That wasn't too long, and it didn't happen then. Teh Phant0m!!!111 - A Black Falcon - 14th July 2004 Humorous interview. Well worth the read, I think... :) http://www.whereisphantom.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=2&page=1 Teh Phant0m!!!111 - Great Rumbler - 14th July 2004 Interesting read. Teh Phant0m!!!111 - A Black Falcon - 14th July 2004 I wonder why he never got back to them with those replies... :) Teh Phant0m!!!111 - Great Rumbler - 14th July 2004 I can't imagine why. :D Teh Phant0m!!!111 - Private Hudson - 18th July 2004 I always assumed the difference between renting out PC games and renting out console games was that PC games have to be installed onto your computer. Back in the day, I never needed a CD to play my brand new games, I'd just install it and not worry about the CD. So if you rented a game, you could simply install it and then return it and have a brand new game at a tenth of the price. Then this whole "you need the CD in the machine to play it" thing took off, so renting out games nowadays would be less of a risk.... except for the whole piracy thing. That being said, I have seen PC games for rent at a small local video store once. Just a few. :) Teh Phant0m!!!111 - A Black Falcon - 19th July 2004 PC games for rent? That doesn't seem like a particularly good idea, because of installing and all that, but if they want to, why not... :) |