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Banjo Pilot - Great Rumbler - 22nd April 2004
Like Diddy Kong Racing, but different.
Quote:Rare developed Banjo-Kazooie: Grunty's Revenge for GBA in 2003 and their next game heading for release through THQ is Banjo Pilot. It looks like you can select from nine characters. It will support four players, but we don't know if that means a battle mode or in the racing mode.
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Banjo Pilot - OB1 - 22nd April 2004
And the game looks a hundred times better than Diddy Kong Pilot! I've been waiting for something to replace Mario Kart GBA for some time now.
Banjo Pilot - Great Rumbler - 22nd April 2004
Quote:I've been waiting for something to replace Mario Kart GBA for some time now.
And here it is!
Banjo Pilot - Laser Link - 22nd April 2004
Sweet. I am really glad they released this. And it reminds me to check out the GBA B~K. I hope it is as good as DKR. The last couple Mario Karts have (IMNSHO) failed to live up to MK64 and SMK, so I'm worried.
Banjo Pilot - OB1 - 23rd April 2004
DD was more like SMK than MK64 was, and I definitely consider it the superior game over MK64. It's just that there have been so many innovations in the cart racing genre since MK64 came out that I expected DD to be more than just a bit better than MK64.
Banjo Pilot - A Black Falcon - 23rd April 2004
That fact justified my not spending $50 for it, you know... :)
But yes, I hope this was good. DKR was great...
Banjo Pilot - big guy - 23rd April 2004
DD would have been better than MK64 if there'd been more multi-teired battle levels. the single player was better than MK64, but battle, one of my favorite modes, just fell flat for me (pun intended...OH!)
Banjo Pilot - Great Rumbler - 24th April 2004
Yeah, the battle-mode just wasn't as fun as it was in MK64, but the co-op more than made up for the that. The co-op mode is a TON of fun!
Banjo Pilot - lazyfatbum - 25th April 2004
okay where the FUCK is kazooie!?
why is banjo flying a PLANE when he can use KAZOOIE (with red feathers) HUH??? WHY doesnt the fucking WITCH use her BROOM with EYES??? I understand that humba wumba needs a plane and so does mumbo jumbo (though they could be flying on some kind of magical animal thing) but fuck people, Rare has certainly fallen, they developed a game reusing their trade marked characters and didnt any research on their OWN CHARACTERS for Banjo Pilot. Rare is dead to me
man now i know why women over react so much, it's fun! :D
Banjo Pilot - A Black Falcon - 25th April 2004
Because a plane is faster than Kazooie? Because Kazooie can't fly indefinitely with Banjo on her back? :)
Banjo Pilot - Great Rumbler - 25th April 2004
That's no reason not to include it!
Banjo Pilot - OB1 - 26th April 2004
I think that would make for a very slow, and limited racing game.
Banjo Pilot - Great Rumbler - 26th April 2004
Not if they made all the people go fast it wouldn't!
Banjo Pilot - OB1 - 26th April 2004
Kazooie flies very slowly.
Banjo Pilot - Great Rumbler - 26th April 2004
Rare could make Kazooie not fly slow.
Banjo Pilot - OB1 - 26th April 2004
Then it would be dumb, like making Yoshi run like Sonic or something.
Banjo Pilot - Great Rumbler - 26th April 2004
Mario should have rode Yoshi in Mario Kart. That would have been cool.
Banjo Pilot - OB1 - 26th April 2004
Yeah that would have been great.
...
And by great I mean retarded.
Banjo Pilot - Great Rumbler - 26th April 2004
And be retarded you mean totally awesome?
Banjo Pilot - lazyfatbum - 26th April 2004
OB1 is right, the tiny fictional plane is much faster than the talking fictional bird. Way to go, OB1. keep up the great work!
And by great work I mean you're an idiot™.
And by way to go, I was refering to the fact that i just peed in your nostrils.
Rare was making a racing game called Donkey Kong Racing for NGC where you play as Rare characters (mostly DK characters) riding different animals in a racing game on land, water and in the air. I was making a reference to that and stating that Rare should have brought that idea over to Banjo Pilot, you small dumb man.
Banjo Pilot - OB1 - 27th April 2004
Yeah they rode rhinos and ostriches and the like, not small birds, stupid. Last time I checked, tiny fictional airplanes (as seen in DKR) are faster than talking fictional birds (Kazooie). Have you ever played any of the Banjo games before? It seems that you haven't if you think Kazooie is even somewhat fast. Banjo Pilot is based off of the flying portions of Diddy Kong Racing, which is why they're flying tiny airplanes instead of animals. Who knows what will happen to what was formally known as Donkey Kong Racing.
Banjo Pilot - A Black Falcon - 27th April 2004
I want vehicles. People running for a racing game just looks dumb... see Sonic R...
Banjo Pilot - OB1 - 27th April 2004
Or that crappy X-Box racer... what's it called...
Banjo Pilot - Great Rumbler - 27th April 2004
Quote:Last time I checked, tiny fictional airplanes (as seen in DKR) are faster than talking fictional birds (Kazooie). Have you ever played any of the Banjo games before? It seems that you haven't if you think Kazooie is even somewhat fast.
You do realize that Rare could just MAKE Kazooie fly fast, right?
Banjo Pilot - A Black Falcon - 27th April 2004
But it'd still be kind of dumb...
Banjo Pilot - OB1 - 27th April 2004
Great Rumbler Wrote:You do realize that Rare could just MAKE Kazooie fly fast, right?
Then when you'd be playing Banjo-Kazooie you'd go like "geez why is she so SLOW, this was so much faster in Banjo Pilot!". You'd have to make up a reason for her flying much faster in Banjo Pilot, which would be dumb. And tiny airplanes are better. :p
Banjo Pilot - Great Rumbler - 27th April 2004
Quote:Then when you'd be playing Banjo-Kazooie you'd go like "geez why is she so SLOW, this was so much faster in Banjo Pilot!".
No I wouldn't.
Quote:You'd have to make up a reason for her flying much faster in Banjo Pilot, which would be dumb
Why? It's a racing game and in racing games things go fast! Duh!
Banjo Pilot - A Black Falcon - 27th April 2004
Yes, the worst part would be some stupid explanation for why they were suddenly fast... at least with Sonic they're fast already. :)
And you're right that tiny airplanes are cooler.
Banjo Pilot - OB1 - 27th April 2004
You can't just make kazooie as fast as an airplane. It would be like making Banjo as fast as Sonic.
Banjo Pilot - Great Rumbler - 27th April 2004
Quote:You can't just make kazooie as fast as an airplane.
And why not?! I DEMAND you show me where it's written that you can't make a racing game where a small, red bird flies as fast as a tiny airplane!!
Banjo Pilot - A Black Falcon - 27th April 2004
Because Kazooie isn't that fast in the OTHER games! And major inconsistencies either require stupid stories (Superman 64 and the green fog...) or nothing and just an inconsistency...
And anyway small planes are just better. Deal with it. :)
Banjo Pilot - OB1 - 27th April 2004
Yeah when you make up pretend laws and boundaries for fictional characters you have to stick to them. You can't suddenly make Mario as fast as Sonic without the aid of some power-up, for instance.
Banjo Pilot - Great Rumbler - 27th April 2004
You guys just have no imagination, that's you're problem.
Banjo Pilot - lazyfatbum - 27th April 2004
OB1 you sad simple man.
Kazooie is much faster than the planes in DKR. Kazooie can dive bomb and boost plus the fact that she can carry a fat bear while doing so. in Donkey Kong Racing, you flew on Buzzers from DKC, thorned, stinging Buzzers. Your lack of imagination is palpable. Kazooie can be as fast or slow as she wants to be, Mario can wear a cape in one game and then become a racoon in another, it's not being inconsistent, it's taking new directions to apply the same characters in to new gameplay. You pitiful excuse for a gameplayer. Go soak your head.
Banjo Pilot - OB1 - 27th April 2004
Lazy, you sir are a huge dumbass, a dumbass who rivals even the great nickdaddyg in terms of dumbassnitude. Your way of thinking is completely devoid of imagination as you don't even try to come up with an excuse for inconsistencies. I could say that Kazooie could be wearing a magical pixie speed hat which would enable her to fly much faster than she usually does. I could say that, but it would still be dumb. And the dive bombs and boosts that kazooie demonstrated in the Banjo games are only short bursts of power that only give you a short burst in a straight line. I certainly wouldn't want to race around a track like that. The planes in DKR are much faster than Kazooie.
Mario uses powerups to fly or become invincible, he cannot do these things any other way. You don't see Miyamoto suddenly turning Mario into a flying speed demon without the aid of a powerup because it would be dumb and wouldn't make sense, even in a world full of talking mushrooms and flying turtles. You could come up with some reason for Kazooie to fly twenty times faster than she usually does, but it would be pointless when you can just give Banjo a damn jet.
Banjo Pilot - Great Rumbler - 27th April 2004
I seriously cannot even believe we're having this arguement.
Banjo Pilot - OB1 - 27th April 2004
That is the charm of Tendo City for ya.
Banjo Pilot - Great Rumbler - 27th April 2004
Soilent Green is people!! People, I tell you!!! PEOPLE!!!!!
Banjo Pilot - A Black Falcon - 27th April 2004
Actually, I'd say that Mario changes speeds! Just look at various Mario games... his top run speed is not the same, I'd say... no, seriously... :)
Banjo Pilot - Dark Jaguar - 27th April 2004
Besides that OB1, training is the cure-all in Japan for new abilities! Seriously, the only excuse they need to make any character super fast is that they TRAINED in 100 times gravity or something, and Japanese people will eat it up as perfectly natural!
However, WHO CARES?! Mario Kart doesn't even make sense within the context of the Mario universe! There's NO reason Mario and Bowser would just race without Bowser suddenly getting OUT of his kart and trying to KILL Mario and kidnap the princess in the main story (did I just refer to the "main story" of Mario? Dear Alvis that's messed up.) Most of the racers in the game have no real motivation for being like that, and turtle shells NEVER had homing abilities before, nor was there EVER a lightning strike that shrunk you, and mushrooms never gave Mario a speed boost! You see OB1? You are being a moron here and exemplifying total lack of any sort of desire for CHANGE. Even GR is shocked you are arguing against how cool it would be to race on a broomstick or Kazooie. Who cares if Kazooie is moderatly slow? Unless her TRADEMARK is being a slow character, it doesn't screw up JACK. Just LOVE it like you KNOW you want to, deep down, but keep bottled up.
Banjo Pilot - A Black Falcon - 27th April 2004
They are items, DJ. Items. I could make the same arguement about items in any Mario game. Items aren't characters... it's not just a shell, it's a specially modified homing shell...
Oh, but my point about Mario's speed was semi-serious. What I mean is that if it's so bad to change characters, why does Mario not always run as fast as he does in the first game... or how about that speed in the third one? Okay, comparisons to the 3d Mario are really hard, but he sure doesn't seem that fast in the GB games... especially the second...
Banjo Pilot - Dark Jaguar - 27th April 2004
Yes you could make that argument, and that's my point really, and I already pointed out the characters are totally, well, out of character in Mario Kart.
Captain Falcon never had any of those moves before SSB, and Kirby doesn't have his moves unless he actually eats an enemy, but they gave those characters those moves anyway, because it works and is COOL!
Banjo Pilot - A Black Falcon - 27th April 2004
Captain Falcon doesn't walk in the other games. :)
As for Kirby, they butchered him! SSB was before Kirby 64, after all... that's where this evil of 'limited flight' started...
Banjo Pilot - OB1 - 27th April 2004
DJ, you are a fucking moron. I think I've said that before, and I'm sure I'll say it many times in the future. Just thought I'd mention that in case you forgot that you are fucking moron. Wouldn't want that to happen.
None of the Nintendo party/racing/fighting games contradict the abilities or limits of the characters. Mario still runs about the same speed, and all of the characters have the same limits that they've always had. Your mushroom example is a very poor one; who's to say that mushrooms can't have a different effect on vehicles? Like ABF said, Captain Falcon never walked in the F-Zero games. Just because Kirby gains powers in a different way doesn't change the fact that he can gain new abilities. Making Kazooie as fast a jet would be ridiculous unless they took the time to explain why she's so much faster than before. Like I said, it would be dumb and pointless. Much like your posts.
Banjo Pilot - Sacred Jellybean - 28th April 2004
I'm so glad to have OB1 around to tell us when our opinions are wrong.
Banjo Pilot - lazyfatbum - 28th April 2004
Hahahaha!! Every time OB1 posts, I feel smarter
Banjo Pilot - Dark Jaguar - 28th April 2004
I've thought OB1 was wrong before, but this time it's just painfully obvious.
OB1, you KNOW you are wrong but just don't want to admit it don't you? Or, are you playing some sort of joke? I know you can't actually be thinking that.
Banjo Pilot - OB1 - 28th April 2004
lazy Wrote:Hahahaha!! Every time OB1 posts, I feel smarter
Hahaha, you know I'm right which is why you cannot come up with a decent rebuttal. :shakeit:
DJ Wrote:I've thought OB1 was wrong before, but this time it's just painfully obvious.
OB1, you KNOW you are wrong but just don't want to admit it don't you? Or, are you playing some sort of joke? I know you can't actually be thinking that.
It's funny how I'm the only one giving good reasons for my point of view while you guys are merely going "Haha" and "you are wrong". I must say DJ, your debating skills are unmatched. I love it how you can take my points and rip them to pieces wi-- oh wait, you didn't do that. Wow, what a surprise.
Beanjo Wrote:I'm so glad to have OB1 around to tell us when our opinions are wrong.
If you're going to get into a super-nerdy debate about video game characters, you better have something to back up your arguments. But yes it is especially fun to prove DJ wrong, no matter how stupid the debate is.
Banjo Pilot - lazyfatbum - 28th April 2004
We *already* proved you wrong, many many times in this thread. However, you keep on telling yourself that you're right when YOU haven't given a single reason to prove that you are.
A fictional character can be WHATEVER the game designer wants it to be. Yoshi's abilities can change depending on the game, as can Link's, Mario's and yes, even Banjo. Who, for example, in Banjo Pilot, is flying a PLANE which never existed at any time in any Banjo Game! It was from a RACING game: eg: a new gameplay element using existing characters. Why couldn't Conker get out of his car and use his frying pan or twirly tail? why couldn't Banjo shoot eggs at other players? it's called marketablity. If BANJO is in a game, one would assume that KAZOOIE should be around. But she wasn't even mentioned in DKR since it wasn't just about Banjo, it was about a cast of many different characters that all had to convert to a singular playing paradigm. But Banjo Pilot has the ability to borrow from the BK games heavily since the entire game is based on the B~K universe to which it would be a logical leap to ask why Banjo rides in a plane instead of using Kazooie who would act exactly like the plane but have the sprites to make it look like Kazooie.
You haven't proved or disproved a single thing, except that you enjoy arguing especially when there's nothing to argue about.
Banjo Pilot - OB1 - 28th April 2004
Quote:We *already* proved you wrong, many many times in this thread. However, you keep on telling yourself that you're right when YOU haven't given a single reason to prove that you are.Saying cock and penis isn't proving me wrong, lazy. Sorry to burst your bubble there.
Quote:A fictional character can be WHATEVER the game designer wants it to be. Yoshi's abilities can change depending on the game, as can Link's, Mario's and yes, even Banjo. Who, for example, in Banjo Pilot, is flying a PLANE which never existed at any time in any Banjo Game! It was from a RACING game: eg: a new gameplay element using existing characters.Adding a new item or vehicle does not change the character at all. Banjo's abilities did not change from B-K to DKR. Adding new abilities by way of items or powerups and changing inherent abilities are two very different things, a fact that you and DJ seem to have a lot of trouble grasping.
Quote:Why couldn't Conker get out of his car and use his frying pan or twirly tail?Because his flying is not very fast, just like Kazooie.
Quote:why couldn't Banjo shoot eggs at other players?Because Banjo doesn't shoot eggs, Kazooie does. And in a race you have to play under certain rules.
Quote:it's called marketablity. If BANJO is in a game, one would assume that KAZOOIE should be around. But she wasn't even mentioned in DKR since it wasn't just about Banjo, it was about a cast of many different characters that all had to convert to a singular playing paradigm. But Banjo Pilot has the ability to borrow from the BK games heavily since the entire game is based on the B~K universe to which it would be a logical leap to ask why Banjo rides in a plane instead of using Kazooie who would act exactly like the plane but have the sprites to make it look like Kazooie.Why would you want to do that? If she flies exactly like the plain (which would completely change the character) then where is the advantage? It makes more sense for Banjo to fly a plane, which is why Rare chose to do that.
Quote:You haven't proved or disproved a single thing, except that you enjoy arguing especially when there's nothing to argue about.
I completely diproved everything you and DJ said, you just close your ears and eyes and go "NYANEE NYANEE NYA NYAAA!".