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News From the Goron Front - Undertow - 27th April 2004
The issue isn't that hispanics, etc, speak their language. It's that we have to cater to the fact that they don't know how to speak English. If I start working in the medical field, I don't want someone that can't speak English yell at me if I can't speak their language. (I've seen it happen) There is no 'official' language of the US, but it's still common sense to learn English if you expect to get higher paying jobs.
@ filmmaker: welcome to the tc ranks of people who know Darunia offline.
News From the Goron Front - A Black Falcon - 27th April 2004
And as immigrants and their families get to the point where they can get better paying jobs, they'll work more on learning English...
News From the Goron Front - Darunia - 27th April 2004
Goddamit ABF, I'm not anti-immigration, I'm anti-non-speaking English! I neither expect nor want people to come to America learning English. I don't care who immigrates; as long as they do it LEGALLY and try to bring something good to our economy. I know that English is ridiculously hard to learn. I'm all for speaking whatever the fuck you want in your home, and amongst your family. But you should learn English, and speak it in public. We should NOT cater to them. They should learn at least enough to get by, or die.
And as immigrants and their families get to the point where they can get better paying jobs, they'll work more on learning English...
No, it's not like that. That's the way it was 100 years ago. Now, pretend you're a Mexican. If you want to get a higher paying job in America, go to anyplace you like, and demand a job. If they don't hire you because you're rambling in a foreign language to them, sue them for discrimination. After you win, they'll be forced to hire translators, and rewrite all of their policies and documents in a second language for you. That's the new American way; the Democratic way.
News From the Goron Front - A Black Falcon - 27th April 2004
LISTEN TO YOURSELF!
"I'm not against them speaking Spanish, I just don't want them to do it anywhere I can hear."
"I'm not anti-immigration, I just don't want anyone who can't instantly integrate to immigrate."
Etc. Those are obviously contradictory! You cannot say you don't care what they speak but don't want them to do it around you. That means that you most certainly DO care. Oh, and as I said, it's never been true that people who speak other languages integrate immediately. It has always taken generations. They always spend the beginning time in seperate areas, where their group can be together. But at some point they do integrate... it's just not happening fast enough for you. Like the world should move to your call or something?
[QUOTE]The French speak French.
The Spanish speak Spanish.
The English speak English.
The Russians speak Russian.
But the Americans are obligated to speak Portuguese, Spanish, Afrikaans, Zulu, Swahili, Esperantu, Italian, Corsican, Romanian, Russian, German, Japanese, Chinese, Arabic, Iranian, Turkish, Greek, Korean, Tagalog, Rapanui, Vietnamese, Mongolian, Ukrainian, Czech, Swedish and Klingon!
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If you want to continue that... you know that that's an absurd generalization. In just about any other European nation, excepting possibly Italy and Germany, people learn at least TWO LANGUAGES! So they speak their local tounge and one of the major ones. I'd bet on Hispanics going in that direction.
News From the Goron Front - Darunia - 27th April 2004
Maybe you didn't pay attention to what I wrote.
Goddamit ABF, I'm not anti-immigration, I'm anti-non-speaking English! I neither expect nor want people to come to America learning English. I don't care who immigrates; as long as they do it LEGALLY and try to bring something good to our economy. I know that English is ridiculously hard to learn. I'm all for speaking whatever the fuck you want in your home, and amongst your family. But you should learn English, and speak it in public. We should NOT cater to them. They should learn at least enough to get by, or die.
Try again and write back late. 'Kay, thanks. You rebutted this, even though this nullifies your rebuttal.
News From the Goron Front - A Black Falcon - 27th April 2004
I read exactly what you wrote. And it's a fine reply to what that actually means.
News From the Goron Front - Darunia - 27th April 2004
Very well; then I'll have to debunk it the long way. Again.
LISTEN TO YOURSELF! "I'm not against them speaking Spanish, I just don't want them to do it anywhere I can hear."
Yea, that's right. They have every right to do what they want amongst themselves, at home, but in public and for general usage, they should speak English. If I went to France, I would speak English on the phone with my friends and family in America, and I would speak French on the streets. I wouldn't demand that the French all learn English (though many of them do already speak it) because I'm so stubborn. The good of the many outweighs the good of the few---the nation shouldn't have to change to accomodate the minority.
I'm not anti-immigration, I just don't want anyone who can't instantly integrate to immigrate."
This has nothing to do with my stance. If you had really read what I wrote, you might've picked up on my lines wherein I clearly said, "I neither expect nor want people to come to America learning English... I know that English is ridiculously hard to learn... I'm all for speaking whatever the fuck you want in your home, and amongst your family. But you should learn English, and speak it in public." I don't expect or want anyone to have to "instantly integrate", but no one tries anymore because they don't have to.
It has always taken generations.
Well that's not true either. I know a nice family of Icelanders; first-generation Icelanders. I worked for them, delivering pizza at their restaurant. The parents have an accent, but speak fluent English, and their two stunningly beautiful daughters, one born in Iceland the other here, speak with NO accent...because they CHOSE TO LEARN ENGLISH. They didn't come here and bill Uncle Sam for an Icelandic-English translator. I respect them, and I'd gladly welcome more immigrants! They're industrious and make fine additions to our great land.
They always spend the beginning time in seperate areas, where their group can be together.
Uh; maybe in New York, but not all the time. There's no Icelandic getto in my town of 20,000. They don't need one, because THEY SPEAK ENGLISH!
But at some point they do integrate... it's just not happening fast enough for you. Like the world should move to your call or something?
You just don't get it, do you. NO ONE IS INTEGRATING ANYMORE! Say it all you want, it won't make it so. You don't even live in my country, how dare you pretend to know all our problems. I live in southern Massachusetts---New Bedford and Fall River are all thoroughly Portuguese. They speak it there. It is the language; it's like the city is a Portuguese colony. They're NOT INTEGRATING because more and more the government is saying "You don't have to, we'll adapt around you!"
If you want to continue that... you know that that's an absurd generalization. In just about any other European nation, excepting possibly Italy and Germany, people learn at least TWO LANGUAGES! So they speak their local tounge and one of the major ones. I'd bet on Hispanics going in that direction.
Yes, of course its an absurd generalization, but it's effectively true. You talk about European nations---WE'RE NOT ONE, AND NEITHER ARE YOU, CANADA! In Europe, one has to be bilingual because they're all powerful, small, closely-knit neighbors who form a community. America is a country that (at least used to) predominantly speak English. It was founded by English settlers, who absorbed and welcomed other nationalities. You want to subdivide our country into gettos and hoodlums; I want to be able to drive from Massachusetts to Florida without a flock of translators, and changing currencies from state to state!
News From the Goron Front - Filmmaker1237 - 27th April 2004
I went to a high school, near the cities that Darunia speaks of, where a Portuguese kid I knew, who IMMIGRATED from Portugal, was allowed to take Portuguese for his foreign language credits. Granted, it was a private school, but still. I'm with arunia, if you wanna speak your own language, fine, but in public, to those of us that speak English, you should also speak it.
News From the Goron Front - Filmmaker1237 - 27th April 2004
And also, at least one of those Icelandic daughters is a fine addition to this country. I mean real fine. Like hot fine.
::swoons::
News From the Goron Front - -iLluSiON- - 27th April 2004
I really think some of YOU need to shut up if you've never even left the country.
News From the Goron Front - lazyfatbum - 27th April 2004
Immigrants are why this country exists, we're all from somewhere else. For example, filmmaker1237 is from his own anus where he lovingly suckles on Darunia's hind teat and then they take turns jacking off on their mother's underwear. So, we're all different and we dont have to respect that, or even like the people around us. We just have to remember that killing is Bad... and Wrong. A new word should be made for killing because it's so Bad... and Wrong... It's Badong. It is the most badong thing in the world. Never EVER kill anyone, take them as hostages and use them as bait, forcefully have sex with them or use them like toilet paper, it doesn't matter; Just do NOT kill them.
I mean it's not like mexicans are muslims or anything. Dont treat them like Mexi-cants, let them show you that they can be mexiCANS! Go ahead and let the leaves fall on the lawn, show your pride and neglect the bathroom for a few months, then watch, as like tiny bronze skinned soldiers, as the hordes of MexiCANS use their cleaning/hard labor-genes to make your white life easier of ruling the planet and overtaking the role of God.
News From the Goron Front - Filmmaker1237 - 27th April 2004
No one said anything about white people wanting to be God. I am just saying, as is my friend Darunia, that people who come here should learn English, and not demand that everyone else learn their language.
What I can't believe is that we're all getting angry about an online argument. Okay, Darunia is a bit overboard in his views, and I came into the game a bit late. And maybe we don't all understand each other's views completely. But this is really, really dumb. I wouldn't have even gotten involved if all of you hadn't, after Darunia and Illusion both told you about Darunia's temper and self esteem, continued to attack him. Darunia was open with you guys and some of you just fucking jumped on him, like lazyfatbum. A political argument is one thing, but what has happened here is something else.
News From the Goron Front - Filmmaker1237 - 27th April 2004
Oh, and lazyfatbum...
Is Wayne Brady gonna hafta choke a bitch?
News From the Goron Front - -iLluSiON- - 27th April 2004
Let's change the topic to the back of Darunia's car.
He taped flags of countries he LIKES onto the window!
He's such an internationalist!! :goron: :confused2
News From the Goron Front - Filmmaker1237 - 27th April 2004
Including Scotland, which I'm glad for. I love Scotland. That car reminds me of one thing though:
"Carry on my wayward son..."
The funny thing is that Darunia refuses to drive it.
News From the Goron Front - Fittisize - 27th April 2004
I bet he has a big Soviet Union flag on the back of his car, to.
News From the Goron Front - Darunia - 27th April 2004
I really think some of YOU need to shut up if you've never even left the country.
Translation: I like to brag that I had the paid-for opportunity to go to Europe some years ago. Verily, this makes my opinions on the world and politics superior to those of you who, *scoff* can't afford to go there.
He taped flags of countries he LIKES onto the window!
Another half-truth. I have flags of the four countries which comprise my background: England, France, Scotland, Ireland. If that doesn't prove that I don't hate immigration (why wouldn't I just have an American flag), then you're just not listening.
I bet he has a big Soviet Union flag on the back of his car, to.
No, sorry--I'm not Russian, but if I were, I'd have a Russian Federation flag for sure. Don't be sore because the only flag you're fit to carry on your Mazda is: :gay2:
News From the Goron Front - A Black Falcon - 27th April 2004
Quote:Yea, that's right. They have every right to do what they want amongst themselves, at home, but in public and for general usage, they should speak English. If I went to France, I would speak English on the phone with my friends and family in America, and I would speak French on the streets. I wouldn't demand that the French all learn English (though many of them do already speak it) because I'm so stubborn. The good of the many outweighs the good of the few---the nation shouldn't have to change to accomodate the minority.
Just based on our airline pilots (and a few people in the airport) (last year we took Air France to Denmark...), the French do speak English, but with a very thick accent... it's like they don't want to really try to speak it... but hey, the French are weird. :) If 'weird' means 'wish they were still a great power', that is.
Quote:Well that's not true either. I know a nice family of Icelanders; first-generation Icelanders. I worked for them, delivering pizza at their restaurant. The parents have an accent, but speak fluent English, and their two stunningly beautiful daughters, one born in Iceland the other here, speak with NO accent...because they CHOSE TO LEARN ENGLISH. They didn't come here and bill Uncle Sam for an Icelandic-English translator. I respect them, and I'd gladly welcome more immigrants! They're industrious and make fine additions to our great land.
Just about everyone in the Nordic countries (Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Iceland, probably Finland too...) ALREADY speaks good English, with little accent. In their own countries. Did you miss where I said 'most of Europe already speaks multiple languages'? So Icelandic people... would come here and speak English well? I'd bet they have been able to do that since elementary school!
Latin America doesn't have to learn another language to survive because Spanish is the major tounge in the region. So they just learn Spanish. Surely this concept is not too hard for you!
Oh, and before you say anything, 100 years ago most Europeans knew one language. Actually, this 'everyone knows multiple toungues unless their main language is German/French/English (or maybe Spanish and Italian, but I don't know)' thing is quite new...
Quote:You just don't get it, do you. NO ONE IS INTEGRATING ANYMORE! Say it all you want, it won't make it so. You don't even live in my country, how dare you pretend to know all our problems. I live in southern Massachusetts---New Bedford and Fall River are all thoroughly Portuguese. They speak it there. It is the language; it's like the city is a Portuguese colony. They're NOT INTEGRATING because more and more the government is saying "You don't have to, we'll adapt around you!"
New Bedford? I've been there once a few years ago. Went to the whaling museum. And some Portugese restaurant. :)
Oh, and it's as I said. In these days, we're re-evaluating the old ideas of 'make them conform to our society'. For instance, remember Ellis Island? There they'd change people's names when they didn't seem 'American' enough... now only the person themself would do that, if they wanted to. It's called "tolerance". Now, it should include the minority group adapting to the majority, for sure, but it means that the goal isn't a completely dissolved group that's the same as the main culture, it's a unique (but just as American!) group IN that main culture.
Yes, after a few generations they should learn English, if just to fit in to our society better. With it will come opportunities, for sure. But you go way too far. You cannot expect people to act just like everyone else! People are different. I, unlike you, realize that...
Okay, fine, Maine doesn't exactly have the most diversity. To be precise, Maine is dead last in nonwhite percent of population... but New Hampshire and Vermont are next, so it's a regional thing. :) But that doesn't mean that I can't say that obviously wrong positions are wrong.
Yes, of course its an absurd generalization, but it's effectively true. You talk about European nations---WE'RE NOT ONE, AND NEITHER ARE YOU, CANADA! In Europe, one has to be bilingual because they're all powerful, small, closely-knit neighbors who form a community. America is a country that (at least used to) predominantly speak English. It was founded by English settlers, who absorbed and welcomed other nationalities. You want to subdivide our country into gettos and hoodlums; I want to be able to drive from Massachusetts to Florida without a flock of translators, and changing currencies from state to state![/quote]
Ghettos aren't good. Just look at inner cities, those are in effect ghettos... not much good comes from such things. I'm sure that there is a way ethnic groups can keep some ethnic identity without all living together (and as a result not learning as much of the majority language and not going as far as they could)... now, in some cases, many people of the same nationality can help eachother -- like the Somalis in Lewiston, maybe (not that you know what I mean) -- but if it's one where they speak another language and keep apart from the majority society -- and have worse jobs, etc -- it should be something that maybe the new immigrants go to, as they don't really have anywhere else, but from which more established ones are able to get away. The fact that in some parts of the US towns are dividing on ethnic lines, with all of one group in one part and all of the others in another (like Black/Hispanic/White), I'd say, is a worrying trend...
Quote:Translation: I like to brag that I had the paid-for opportunity to go to Europe some years ago. Verily, this makes my opinions on the world and politics superior to those of you who, *scoff* can't afford to go there.
This connects to that you know. I haven't been to any Spanish speaking countries, true, but I ahve been to Europe and seen how many people there speak English...
I haven't been to Europe three times because my parents are rich or something. Middle, maybe upper middle, but not rich. It's because we have always travelled a lot. My parents just like to travel, and we were lucky enough to be able to go on lengthy (month-plus) vacations each summer because my dad's a professor and doesn't have work in summers... Oh, that 'professor' thing is a big part THERE (for our trips to Europe). Our year in Slovenia was because it was his subattical year and he taught some at the University of Llubljana, and the trip to Denmark last year was during a math conference he attended... Only England in '98 was just for a vacation.
Quote:Another half-truth. I have flags of the four countries which comprise my background: England, France, Scotland, Ireland. If that doesn't prove that I don't hate immigration (why wouldn't I just have an American flag), then you're just not listening.
No, you have a standard Republican viewpoint -- that America was built from the great variety of European immigrants who arrived up until the early 1900s.
As you can guess from what I've already said, that's completely wrong and idiotic.
News From the Goron Front - -iLluSiON- - 27th April 2004
Darunia Wrote:I really think some of YOU need to shut up if you've never even left the country.
Translation: I like to brag that I had the paid-for opportunity to go to Europe some years ago. Verily, this makes my opinions on the world and politics superior to those of you who, *scoff* can't afford to go there.
Bragging? No. Stating that it's only right to proclaim something once you've seen it for yourself? Yes. No where in that did I talk about my trip to Europe and how it changed my political views. It didn't. Stop assuming like you always do. You're always claiming how you think I'm rich and whatnot, my dad hasn't even had a job in 5 months. You know who's the most likely choice to blame? Bush. Because of him, the nation's umemployment rate has shot right up. Everyday my father sends out his resume and gets a lot of interviews. The only vacant jobs that meet his requirements are halfway across the country. Stop complaining like you're 'poor' because you're not.
He taped flags of countries he LIKES onto the window!
Quote:Another half-truth. I have flags of the four countries which comprise my background: England, France, Scotland, Ireland. If that doesn't prove that I don't hate immigration (why wouldn't I just have an American flag), then you're just not listening.You're not FRENCH. Get it through your head. You have very little French Canadian in you. That doesn't make you FRENCH. I have French Canadian in me as well.. does that give me a reason to be pro-French? No.
I bet he has a big Soviet Union flag on the back of his car, to.
Quote:No, sorry--I'm not Russian, but if I were, I'd have a Russian Federation flag for sure.
You took Russian in highschool. You're always writing Russian wherever you're going. Don't say it's because you're just interested in the WWII history of Russia.
News From the Goron Front - Fittisize - 27th April 2004
He took Russian? What a nerd.
News From the Goron Front - Weltall - 27th April 2004
Many immigrants DO learn English before they come here. Look at lazy's own wife, she speaks absolutely perfect English (though I get to teach her new words sometimes), even though she never stepped foot in America until 2001.
Plus, it's the liberal stance to call us anti-immigration, and that's not it in the least. I'm anti-ILLEGAL immigration! Legal immigrants come to America, file the papers, get a social security number, and become taxpayers. Many of the Mexican Flood do not. It's not a matter of racial purity, and even the annoyance at their refusal to integrate isn't the core concern, it's the fact that they do not legally belong here, and worse, they siphon tax money, getting all sorts of benefits from the government, and do not pay taxes in return. If they would immigrate legally, there would be far less concern over them.
News From the Goron Front - Darunia - 28th April 2004
[weltall]It's not a matter of racial purity, and even the annoyance at their refusal to integrate isn't the core concern, it's the fact that they do not legally belong here, and worse, they siphon tax money, getting all sorts of benefits from the government, and do not pay taxes in return. If they would immigrate legally, there would be far less concern over them.
Weltall---thank you, but don't bother. We're pilgrims in an unholy land, to quote a movie. They knew what's best because they've either been to Europe, or come from Canada. What would the average American know about America, Weltall.
[Fittisize]He took Russian? What a nerd.
Yea, I mean like definitely. It's not like Russian was a major world language up until a decade ago. It's not like learning foreign languages is an admirable pursuit or anything. I mean, only a nerd would bother learning a foreign language, right Fittisize? That must be why your illegal hispanic pals don't learnn English, because they're too cool and not nerdy enough for that. Your dissing Russian isn't like being degrading to an entire nation, is it? Oh, but you can get away with it, because you're a liberal, et les liberaux se protègent, l'un et l'autre.
(Illusion)You're not FRENCH. Get it through your head. You have very little French Canadian in you.
More than half, sir, which would technically be a majority.
That doesn't make you FRENCH. I have French Canadian in me as well.. does that give me a reason to be pro-French? No.
Well no shit it doesn't make me French, do I have to BE FRENCH to LEARN FRENCH and have an interest in that nation and it's culture/history? You're taking Spanish, are you Spanish?
You took Russian in highschool. You're always writing Russian wherever you're going. Don't say it's because you're just interested in the WWII history of Russia.
Well, yea; because it's cool. At least a few other people here speak Russian too. It impresses people when you write in cyrillic, and I enjoy the challenge. Interested in WWII history? The eastern front was the most boring, I don't care about 'Russian WWII history' at all---I only like 'Enemy at the Gates' is all.
News From the Goron Front - -iLluSiON- - 28th April 2004
I just love how you listen to other people's opinions and open up to them. (sarcasm)
Sometimes you're just too proud about your beliefs, Ben. BEN. Yes, that's your name. not Darunia.
It's how it is in real life as well... maybe you should try to accept diversity in opinion for once... maybe it will result in getting laid.
No need to thank me for the advice... even though you're going to take it as a slam anyway. Like you always do.
News From the Goron Front - Undertow - 28th April 2004
Quote:I just love how you listen to other people's opinions and open up to them. (sarcasm)
I don't think anyone here is really open to other peoples' opinions. Even I got in a stupid argument about anime because I said it didn't like it much, even though I was being tact and not forceful. You know what? Anime still sucks. Oh my! <img src="http://www.sighost.us/members/jay803/emotmonocle2.gif">
Ben's not that bad offline, imo. But he still needs to cool down here. No sense defending your honor on the internet. :)
News From the Goron Front - Weltall - 28th April 2004
Fittisize Wrote:THE language? There's more than one language on this Earth. Learn to speak two languages, adapt, become a better citizen as a result.
Fittisize Wrote:He took Russian? What a nerd.Yeah.
News From the Goron Front - lazyfatbum - 28th April 2004
You're actually getting angry? You think this is a heated debate...? Wait till N_A decides to come back. Then you'll see a heated argument. A person angry over a thread in a message board is just plain funny. Everything I say on this board is either completely factual or a joke, I take no responsibility for anyone who cant decipher the two.
This thread is pure and simple; just about everyone here is a contradicting moron. You’re all desperately trying to push your opinions when you don’t even know what they are because you're either young, or just inexperienced.
Look at this country right now, when a black man says something derogatory or anti towards a sensitive subject, everyone turns their head away and pretends they didn't hear it. We let it slide because of guilt. We all feel guilty for the way immigrants (which include the first blacks in this country from Africa) have been treated, but the truth is, we've actually been pretty tame when compared to any other country and their treatment of immigrants. Hell, during WW2 Britain marched Jewish immigrants right back in to Germany because the UK didn’t want to 'deal' with them. All we did was take slaves from Africa and made them slaves here.
But ever since the birth of America, people from all over the world want to come here where they can live free and get good pay (hahaha) so why didn't we give that to the African slaves? Because we liked getting our laundry done, having our businesses clean and having dinner served by 6 PM and still have enough free time to take the family out on the town. Now that blacks, Mexicans, Asians, etc are all considered free and equal, they're doing our laundry, making our dinners and cleaning our homes and businesses and getting paid for it. And America still feels guilty - We don’t understand why the majority of blacks live in poverty in bad areas of town, we don’t get it when we see Mexicans blowing leaves in someone else's driveway.
We feel like it's our fault, that we put them there. The truth is, they want to be there because they don’t want to adapt and they won’t teach their children to adapt, they want to be around people like themselves and pretend the other people don’t exist. It's the oldest and most powerful instinct. And now we live in a time where people are afraid to have an opinion unless it sounds good on paper or is politically correct. You can’t hate anyone now without being branded as an evil throwback to early western civilization. Bullshit; I will hate or like anyone I choose. It is a privilege to be respected, not a right; But people are so frightened of speaking up that we let it happen and watch it from the side lines, we even raise our children to be numb pacifists who ignore political conflict and take the easy way out.
This all leads to this thread right now: Political pacifists angry at themselves arguing over how other people should be treated and desperately trying to push their opinion on others in the hope that they’ll convert someone just to justify their own mental and moral dilemma. If you want to be a goody two shoes-I love everybody-black and white precursor to devout Christianity then by all means go for it, but do NOT try tell me that your opinion is more correct than mine.
News From the Goron Front - Geno - 28th April 2004
Dude... I just think illegal Mexican immigrants shouldn't force me to learn Spanish so that they don't have to learn English in my country, that's all. >>
News From the Goron Front - lazyfatbum - 28th April 2004
Gufaw.
News From the Goron Front - -iLluSiON- - 28th April 2004
lazyfatbum Wrote:Look at this country right now, when a black man says something derogatory or anti towards a sensitive subject, everyone turns their head away and pretends they didn't hear it.
Oh yeah... is that why Chappelle is so popular? lol :clap:
News From the Goron Front - Darunia - 28th April 2004
Oh yeah... is that why Chappelle is so popular? lol
Probably. You know it's true. Black people call themselves (and forgive my saying it, you liberal femm-a-nazis,) but "nigger". It's in rap songs and movies. It can't be that degrading if they use it so freely amongst themselves. A white person saying that word in any context is a racist. A black person saying it in any context is an artist.
Geno Dude... I just think illegal Mexican immigrants shouldn't force me to learn Spanish so that they don't have to learn English in my country, that's all.
Dude, Geno, stop being so anti-immigration! Fittisize will say you're a nazi, Illusion will blast you as not having been to Europe, and ABF will spend hours online looking up remedial facts to impress you! Just resign yourself, because in a few more years, WE'LL be the minority, and then we'll get free college and all of that horse shit.
News From the Goron Front - alien space marine - 28th April 2004
I am back!
Quote:To suggest that no nazi could be wrought unto this world without his parents being nazis is kindergarten-level stupidity. Hitler's parents weren't nazis. Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
Nazis didnt exist but anti semitism did for centuries.Adolf dad was a white supremacist.
Hitler's father apparently nailed into little Adolf head at a young age that the arians were the superior race and all the imigrants and gypses jews ect.. Were eating away their superior blood line. He also was the first one to tell Hitler he had a important destiny.
It was his early enviroment that set him off , I remeber a old movie in the 70's were they had Hitlers clone but he didnt turn out evil because he didnt grow up in the same enviroment or had any of the same experiences.
News From the Goron Front - lazyfatbum - 28th April 2004
His father was angry at the Jews because of WW1 where the Jews wouldn't fight for Germany. The Jews took control of Germany's commerce and started the entire 'Jews and money' thing. Then early in to WW2 Hitler used many different ploys in order to get people to hate Jews, even teaching children that they weren't human. But in the end, all Hitler wanted was to have Germans in Germany. The Jews, (ultimately immigrants but had grown there for many generations) wouldn't leave since they had no where to go, so he methodically killed them. That's why the United States created Israel so the Jews have a home.
Dave Chappel makes fun of *everyone*, he's a roaster (old term for someone who is really good at insult jokes). In one episode, he'll make fun of Catholics, Mexicans, Irish, Blacks, Christians, Jews, Redheads, People with afros, People with hockey-hair, People who like folk music, People who like rap music, People who wear African clothes in public, drug users, alcoholics, and the early 90's. But most of all, anything that we as a culture consider to be shallow, embaressing and/or innapropriate. :D He's popular as a comic because of that. We all love a good pain in the ass sometimes.
News From the Goron Front - Fittisize - 28th April 2004
Quote:Yea, I mean like definitely. It's not like Russian was a major world language up until a decade ago. It's not like learning foreign languages is an admirable pursuit or anything. I mean, only a nerd would bother learning a foreign language, right Fittisize? That must be why your illegal hispanic pals don't learnn English, because they're too cool and not nerdy enough for that. Your dissing Russian isn't like being degrading to an entire nation, is it? Oh, but you can get away with it, because you're a liberal, et les liberaux se protègent, l'un et l'autre.
I admire your pursuing a foreign language about as much as I admire the big healthy shit I just took two minutes ago. Why bother learning Russian?? You're not going to learn enough in grade school to someday go to Moscow and have heated debates with Russians over there. What's the point in learning a few words and phrases? Anybody can look in an English-Russian dictionary and learn as much as you did in that three credit high school Russian course. You might want to brush up on your French to, you FLQ wannabe. When in the fuck have "le" and "un" ever gone together??
News From the Goron Front - Undertow - 28th April 2004
Quote:Why bother learning Russian??
Because he wanted to? How about a big hearty glass full of shut the fuck up. Go beat some cats* while listening to RATM, or something. Or, even better, argue your point without dragging stupid shit in.
*don't
Quote:You might want to brush up on your French to<b>o</B>,
You might want to brush up on your English. You consistently confuse "too" with "to".
News From the Goron Front - -iLluSiON- - 28th April 2004
Darunia is currently on a trip to Providence, Rhode Island with his French class. He shall continue this shortly.*
*is telling truth
News From the Goron Front - -iLluSiON- - 28th April 2004
I don't know if you guys saw SouthPark tonight but it had to do with this topic! It was hilarious!
The people from the future were immigrating to the present day and they were taking their jobs. They couldn't really speak present day English and were cuasing problems. one of you had to see it... come on.
News From the Goron Front - Geno - 28th April 2004
Illusion, you beat me to it by about 15 minutes!
News From the Goron Front - Geno - 28th April 2004
And just for the occasion, I wrote down a quote from the episode which I was dying to use on ABF... you're an aging hippie liberal douche! Ha ha ha... yeah.
News From the Goron Front - -iLluSiON- - 29th April 2004
Geno Wrote:And just for the occasion, I wrote down a quote from the episode which I was dying to use on ABF... you're an aging hippie liberal douche! Ha ha ha... yeah.
what about the angry conservative? haha
"they took our jiyyoobbss"
News From the Goron Front - Geno - 29th April 2004
I think it was something like... angry intolerant redneck white trash conservative.
"Stan, don't be a timesist!"
"A what?"
"You know, a racist, except you discriminate--"
"Against people from the future, yeah yeah..."
News From the Goron Front - Darunia - 29th April 2004
[fittisize]Why bother learning Russian?? You're not going to learn enough in grade school to someday go to Moscow and have heated debates with Russians over there.
So only future linguists are entitled to study a foreign language. Illusion, my the Fittisize Code of Laws, must move to Spain and translate there. Oh, thanks for clearing that up, buttfuck; you see, I though I could just take a course because it interested me. Using your same flawless logic, only people who are going to authors and professors can ever take English courses; only historians can every take a history course; only mathematicians can take a math course
What's the point in learning a few words and phrases?
Because I enjoy speaking Russian. If I could be fluent I would, but onlike your Most Excellent Omnipotency, I cannot instantaneously do such things. Thusly, I can only learn a little bit at a time. Forgive me this tragic human flaw, oh Your Assholeness.
Anybody can look in an English-Russian dictionary and learn as much as you did in that three credit high school Russian course.
They might have some trouble reading the Cyrillic, as it is a different alphabet, and has more letters than ours. In fact, I'll give you $50 if you can go to a book store, pick up a Russian book for the first time, and learn to conjugate verbs in three tenses, and learn the difference between the accusative, dative or the other cases. I though dictionaries only offered vocabulary; now grammatical lessons.
You might want to brush up on your French to, you FLQ wannabe. When in the fuck have "le" and "un" ever gone together??
Um...always? Are you really implying that in French there is no liaison between definitive articles and proceding vowels? LOL. For a moment there, I ALMOST thought you knew what you were talking about, Your Omnipotency.
News From the Goron Front - Geno - 29th April 2004
I'd join the argument, but I don't know any Russian or French, so I'm just going to say... hippies suck.
News From the Goron Front - A Black Falcon - 29th April 2004
Quote:Dude, Geno, stop being so anti-immigration! Fittisize will say you're a nazi, Illusion will blast you as not having been to Europe, and ABF will spend hours online looking up remedial facts to impress you! Just resign yourself, because in a few more years, WE'LL be the minority, and then we'll get free college and all of that horse shit.
I don't look things up for debates with you. I have a few times in political debates with Weltall, but those require more facts than these... everything I say is things I think up.
As for foreign languages, go ahead. I'm bad at them which is why I don't take more, but I did go through Spanish IV (two years Jr. High, 3 in highschool)... of course that was several years back now so I don't remember much, but I did take it. Not really for fun though, it was always my least favorite academic subject...
Quote:We feel like it's our fault, that we put them there. The truth is, they want to be there because they don’t want to adapt and they won’t teach their children to adapt, they want to be around people like themselves and pretend the other people don’t exist. It's the oldest and most powerful instinct. And now we live in a time where people are afraid to have an opinion unless it sounds good on paper or is politically correct. You can’t hate anyone now without being branded as an evil throwback to early western civilization. Bullshit; I will hate or like anyone I choose. It is a privilege to be respected, not a right; But people are so frightened of speaking up that we let it happen and watch it from the side lines, we even raise our children to be numb pacifists who ignore political conflict and take the easy way out.
This all leads to this thread right now: Political pacifists angry at themselves arguing over how other people should be treated and desperately trying to push their opinion on others in the hope that they’ll convert someone just to justify their own mental and moral dilemma. If you want to be a goody two shoes-I love everybody-black and white precursor to devout Christianity then by all means go for it, but do NOT try tell me that your opinion is more correct than mine.
You had some good points before this point, Lazy, but... you think they really want to be in that situation? Okay, I'll give you that many blacks especially don't try as hard as they could to get out. That is true. But they've been near the bottom for so long now... As for Mexicans, I'd say it's too early to tell, really. Many of them are relatively recent arrivals and the recent ones, as I've said, are always the ones on bottom. We'll have to give them time... but I would admit that in the illegals case it doesn't look as good. They come here for opportunity but don't really understand all of what it means to succeed in America and won't make the full effort...
As for illegals, I obviously don't like them. What should we do? Well, I don't support a fence like (insane) Pat Buchanan said at some time, but we probably could be doing more to fight it... we need to do more than just kicking them back across the border, too. They'll just try again next week!
News From the Goron Front - Darunia - 29th April 2004
I'm still laughing over this golden little chestnut of stupidity:!!!
When in the fuck have "le" and "un" ever gone together??
News From the Goron Front - Fittisize - 29th April 2004
Quote:Um...always? Are you really implying that in French there is no liaison between definitive articles and proceding vowels? LOL. For a moment there, I ALMOST thought you knew what you were talking about, Your Omnipotency.
But they DON'T go together, Separatist. They are two different ways of identify and nouns. "L'un" isn't even a shadow of French.
Let's go back to basic French, because you obviously need a tune-up: le chat means THE CAT. Un chat means A CAT. L'un chat means THE A CAT, and I have no idea what that is supposed to fucking mean. Make up your mind, Goron Fag, what is it: le, or un? You can't have both words one after the other.
News From the Goron Front - Undertow - 29th April 2004
"le"= the
"un"= one
"L'un"= the one. Might want to check back on that, fittisize. Even if you do a google search you'll find it's a real word.
News From the Goron Front - Great Rumbler - 29th April 2004
I used Babelfish and that's what I came up with.
News From the Goron Front - Fittisize - 29th April 2004
When 'un' is used as the number one, then yes.
What the fuck is with Darunia's henchmen replying all of his posts for him?
News From the Goron Front - Undertow - 29th April 2004
Quote:When 'un' is used as the number one, then yes.
OMFG, LAST WORD. Hehe.
edited. :D
News From the Goron Front - lazyfatbum - 29th April 2004
I remember when threads like this were actually funny.
But now it's all... euro-flavor.
Here, let me help: