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The 76th Annual Oscars - Great Rumbler - 29th February 2004
This is the first time that I've really watched the oscars very much, mainly because I want to see how many times Return of the King wins an Oscar [it's 3 so far]. Anyway, Billy Crystal is a hilarious host and it's really fun to watch all of the things that go one during the Oscars. I especially liked the intro which had Billy Crystal playing different parts in a bunch of movies that came out this year.
There was one part of the intro that was just so hilarious I had to mention it.
The scene: Billy Crystal is in Return of Kings and he's fighting against the giant elephants. Michael Moore pops in.
Michael Moore: Shame on you, Mr. Crystal! This is the wizard's war not your war! It's a war that is not sanctioned by Congress!! *is squashed by a giant elephant*
That was so funny! :D
The 76th Annual Oscars - alien space marine - 29th February 2004
ROTK wins 2 oscars so far!
The 76th Annual Oscars - Great Rumbler - 29th February 2004
Actually, it's 4! :D
The 76th Annual Oscars - Great Rumbler - 29th February 2004
Now it's 5!!
The 76th Annual Oscars - Great Rumbler - 29th February 2004
Return of the King has won SEVEN awards so far!!
The 76th Annual Oscars - Great Rumbler - 29th February 2004
Holy TC Cow!! RotK has now won its 8th Oscar!!!
The 76th Annual Oscars - OB1 - 29th February 2004
I've always hated the Oscars. Such dumb choices most of the time. City of God really should have won that best editing award, but I never expected it would. It should also win the oscar for best director, but I seriously doubt that'll happen. And Alejandro González Iñárritu (21 Grams) really should have been nominated for best director. Pfft.
Oh great, Twilight Samurai didn't win best foreign picture. Gah, what idiots! *sigh* Did those academy voters actually watch the movie? They probably thought "hey it's a samurai movie, action is stupid", even though it's not an action piece. *sigh* Why do I watch the oscars? It's almost as bad as all of those video game awards shows.
Billy Crystal is funny though. :D
The 76th Annual Oscars - Great Rumbler - 29th February 2004
Japanese stuff didn't do well at all this year. Twilight Samurai lost Best Foreign Movie, Ken Watanabe lost Best Supporting Actor, and no animes were nominated for Best Animated Movie even though several good ones came out.
The 76th Annual Oscars - Great Rumbler - 29th February 2004
RotK is up to NINE!!
The 76th Annual Oscars - OB1 - 29th February 2004
Now let's see if City of God wins for best adapted screenplay!
*waits*
.... FUCK! Good grief, another Rings win. Gah, another award that should have gone to City of God. Well that or American Splendor for this particular nom.
*sigh*
Now I like the Rings movie and everything, but it really doesn't deserve all of these awards. Visual effects, yeah. Set design, makeup, of course. Music? Sure why not. But it's like these oscar voters just threw up their hands and went "ah who cares, let's give Rings everything!". I'm sure it'll win best director and best picture, too. Bah. Lost in Translation really deserves that best picture award. :(
Cross your fingers for Bill Murray though!
The 76th Annual Oscars - OB1 - 29th February 2004
Holy shit, Sofia Coppola just won for best director! I don't believe it! Wow, that's really great. My first choice was Fernando Meirelles but I'm really happy that she won. And woohoo, she just thanked Wong Kar-Wai! That's so cool! He's this really terrific Hong Kong director who very obviously gave her a lot of inspiration for Lost in Translation. Heh, I was thinking how similar in feel that movie was to Wong Kar-Wai's work while watching it. :D
The 76th Annual Oscars - Great Rumbler - 29th February 2004
That was Original Screenplay not Best Director.
The 76th Annual Oscars - OB1 - 29th February 2004
Oh crap, you're right.
Shit...
Peter Jackson just won it.
*sigh*
The 76th Annual Oscars - Great Rumbler - 29th February 2004
Peter Jackson just won Best Director.
That's ten.
The 76th Annual Oscars - Great Rumbler - 29th February 2004
Quote:Oh crap, you're right.
Shit...
Peter Jackson just won it.
*sigh*
Oh come ON! You KNOW Peter Jackson and LotR deserve to be getting these awards!!
The 76th Annual Oscars - OB1 - 29th February 2004
No, because in a lot of those categories there were movies more deserving of winning.
The 76th Annual Oscars - Dark Lord Neo - 29th February 2004
But for director LOTR deserved it
The 76th Annual Oscars - Great Rumbler - 29th February 2004
:p
The 76th Annual Oscars - OB1 - 29th February 2004
No, for director Fernando Meirelles definitely deserved it. City of God is one the best films ever made, period. It's especially strong in terms of direction and editing.
The 76th Annual Oscars - OB1 - 29th February 2004
Now let's see if Bill Murray gets that best actor award....
... NO!!!
Man...
The 76th Annual Oscars - OB1 - 29th February 2004
Well Rings won the best picture award, and I think it's fitting since it's kind of an award for the whole trilogy. I guess that's how I should see Peter Jackson's win, since he should have won last year.
The 76th Annual Oscars - Great Rumbler - 29th February 2004
It was a win for all the nerds out there.
Bill Murray should have won Best Actor.
The 76th Annual Oscars - OB1 - 29th February 2004
Yeah...
The 76th Annual Oscars - Fittisize - 29th February 2004
Quote:Oh great, Twilight Samurai didn't win best foreign picture. Gah, what idiots! *sigh* Did those academy voters actually watch the movie? They probably thought "hey it's a samurai movie, action is stupid",
No...they were probably like, "hey, it's a samurai movie, it's going to be RETARTED."
And of course LotR deserves all those awards...it makes up for last year and the year before, when it was shunned from winning Best Picture. Lord of the Rings deserved Best Picture this year, last year, and the year before.
The 76th Annual Oscars - Laser Link - 29th February 2004
That's cool that RotK won all that stuff. However, I've never put much stock in these awards shows anyway, because the people who vote or pick NEVER have a clue about anything and always just spout off about the most popular thing. In this case, I'm happy, cause RotK just happened to be the popular thing, but I can understand the frustration OB1 feels.
The 76th Annual Oscars - Dark Jaguar - 1st March 2004
One note, from nerd to nerd. Those are OLIPHANTS, NOT elephants! :D Plus, they are gigantous and have tusks coming out the BOTTOM of their mouths too! I never thought I'd see one, now I have to tell the Shire folk!
*runs to Shire and sees huge fence and sign*
The Shire... closed?!
The 76th Annual Oscars - alien space marine - 1st March 2004
They won all 11 oscars that they got nominated for.
The 76th Annual Oscars - OB1 - 1st March 2004
Well the Oscars are all about which movie gets the biggest marketing push from their respective studios, so I'm not surprised at all by who won. It's why the wonderful Millennium Actress wasn't even nominated for best animated feature even though it blows away Nemo in every aspect, and why Twilight Samurai didn't win that Best Foreign picture (Harvey Weinstein of Miramax heavily promoted the picture that won), etc. But oh well, that is how things are.
And really guys, saying that Rings should have won every single nomination when none of you saw all of the other nominated pictures is pretty silly, don't you think? It would be like someone who had only played Prince of Persia in 2003 claiming that it should win every video game award. It is indeed an incredible game, but did it have a deeper story than Kotor or better music than Castlevania? Of course not. That doesn't make it any less of an amazing game, but really, there are more deserving games in certain categories.
Quote:No...they were probably like, "hey, it's a samurai movie, it's going to be RETARTED."
Have you ever seen a Samurai movie before? And I don't mean Rurouni Kenshin. ;)
The 76th Annual Oscars - Fittisize - 1st March 2004
Quote:Have you ever seen a Samurai movie before? And I don't mean Rurouni Kenshin.
I have seen samuria movies before, yes. I don't like them.
The 76th Annual Oscars - OB1 - 1st March 2004
Like what? The Last Samurai? Or as I like to call it, Dances with Samurai. :D
The 76th Annual Oscars - Fittisize - 1st March 2004
On Adrenaline Drive they sometimes play samurai movies...and not only are the storylines and acting retarted (as well as reading subtitles), I generally don't like Japanese-style fighting in movies (with the exception of The Matrix...reprezzent). Actually, scratch that. I don't like movies from Japan.
The 76th Annual Oscars - OB1 - 1st March 2004
You don't like movies from an entire nation?
It's obvious what you just said is out of pure ignorance, so just this time I think I'll ignore it. Watch these Samurai dramas and if you still think they suck, well then there's something wrong with you. But I'm pretty confident that they can win you over.
-Twilight Samurai as soon as it comes out in the states
-Seven Samurai (the greatest film of all time IMO, from Japan's greatest director of all time: Akira Kurosawa)
-the Musashi Miyamoto trilogy (called Samurai I, II, and III in the states)
-Throne of Blood (the greatest film adaptation of MacBeth, in a Samurai setting-- also from Akira Kurosawa)
-Ran (another Kurosawa Shakespeare adaptation, this time of King Lear).
And for some great Samurai action I suggest Yojimbo and its sequel Sanjuro, any Zatoichi movie, Lone Wolf and Cub 1-6, When the Last Sword is Drawn (whenever it gets a release here), and The Hidden Fortress. Most of these movies are in black and white, but if that's not a problem for you then you should enjoy them. If you have good taste. ;)
The 76th Annual Oscars - OB1 - 1st March 2004
BTW the Matrix movies use Hong Kong-style action, not Japanese-style action. And it's subpar HK-style action for that matter. But still better than anything from Hollywood.
The 76th Annual Oscars - Fittisize - 1st March 2004
Quote:You don't like movies from an entire nation? It's obvious what you just said is out of pure ignorance, so just this time I think I'll ignore it.
I dislike samuria movies. I have no idea why people think anime is great (Spirited Away number 41 on imdb.com Top 250??? INSANITY!), um, what other kinds of movies come from Japan?
The 76th Annual Oscars - OB1 - 1st March 2004
Every genre that we have, and then some. They don't just make chambara and anime, yunno.
And do you recall the titles of those Samurai movies you hated so much?
As for that "bad acting" comment, if you listen to any Japanese native speak their language, their tone and mannerisms are very different from ours, so perhaps you are confusing that foreign...ocity with bad acting. A lot old Samurai movies also use a very theatrical-style of acting, somewhat similar to Shakespearian acting.
The 76th Annual Oscars - Fittisize - 1st March 2004
Gah, I just checked IMDB again, and Seven Samuria is #9!! MADNESS!! (I'm still not going to see it)
The 76th Annual Oscars - OB1 - 1st March 2004
Seven Samurai is considered by most film critics to be one of the (if not THE) greatest movies of all time. It's right up there with Citizen Kane.
But hey if you don't want to watch it that's fine by me. Your loss.
The 76th Annual Oscars - OB1 - 1st March 2004
It's pretty sad that you say call it "MADNESS" when you haven't and don't plan on seeing the movie. Very sad.
The 76th Annual Oscars - Great Rumbler - 1st March 2004
RotK DID deserve all those awards and here's why:
Wizard of Oz [1940, lost to Rebecca]
2001: A Space Oddysey [1969, not nominated for Best Picture]
Star Wars [1977, lost to Annie Hall]
E.T. [1977, lost to Annie Hall]
Fellowship of the Ring [2001, lost to A Beautiful Mind]
Two Towers [2002, lost to ????]
Return of King [2003, 11 Oscars including Best Director and Best Picture]
Take that, dramas and period peices!!
The 76th Annual Oscars - Dark Jaguar - 1st March 2004
I'll say this. Anime is a style, not a genre (as OB1 would be quick to point out himself). You can only say you don't like stuff animated, but you can't claim to not like the stories of "anime" as a general thing, because animation is as diverse in stories and plots as anything else. Of course, you wouldn't know that watching CN because they kinda stick with only a couple genres. Still, it's diverse enough to give you a hint of the amount of genres they have over there in anime. It's just a lot cheaper to make animation generally than to go about hollywood style special effects, not to deride the form, but that's pretty much the case.
Just a question, have you seen Spirited Away? If so, did you actually UNDERSTAND the movie? Did you just think "okay so a girl has to save her parents and herself from an evil witch" or did you actually understand the deeper meaning of what was going on?
The 76th Annual Oscars - Fittisize - 1st March 2004
I uh...haven't seen Spirited Away. :D
The 76th Annual Oscars - Great Rumbler - 1st March 2004
DJ's right, anime is a style not a genre. It's as varied as live-action American movies.
The 76th Annual Oscars - Dark Jaguar - 1st March 2004
But LOTR does have drama to it, well, not just that. LOTR is an "epic", kinda covering all genres in a wide arc of artistic awesome. Also, even though it's a totally fictional time in a totally fictional planet even, it IS in A period :D.
Wait, didn't Two Towers and Fellowship win best picture awards? Am I thinking of something else? Oh well, no matter. It's an award show. It's basically actors and directors giving each other awards... and sometimes they have award shows for award shows where people give awards TO award shows! .....get my gun...
The 76th Annual Oscars - OB1 - 1st March 2004
GR: Yeah it's great that a movie in that genre finally took home all of those Oscars, but I still don't agree with the regular Oscar practice of giving movies awards mainly because they should have gotten them in previous years. That's what they did with Ron Howard and A Beautifiul Mind (he should have won the oscar years before for Apollo 13) even though there were more deserving movies.
DJ: Well said, but I highly doubt fittsy saw Spirited Away, let alone understood the whole point the movie.
Edit: Haha, I was right!
The 76th Annual Oscars - Fittisize - 1st March 2004
Chicago won last year...(Two Towers was better)
A Beautiful Mind the year before...(Fellowship owned that movie!, which I haven't seen)
The 76th Annual Oscars - Dark Jaguar - 1st March 2004
Well then, you should see it. It's not what lots of people assume anime is, that is to say, someone fighting across the land to meet the final boss eventually. It's a genre that rarely gets the spot light stateside, for anime anyway. To be honest I hate it when people call all anime "action cartoons". Sure there's lots of those, and yes as can be expected from a really overcrowded market there are lots of piles of steaming ... karp. However, in a lot of the best ones they do an excellent job of melding a compelling story with great action sequences, using the action to convey emotion and such. Watch Trigun for instance, and don't let the first episode or two fool you. It improves a LOT, and the later episodes fully justify the first episodes and make them actually important to the story at that. Basically I'm saying the first episodes BECOME great in retrospect.
The 76th Annual Oscars - OB1 - 1st March 2004
Have you seen Millennium Actress yet? Really wonderful movie.
The 76th Annual Oscars - Fittisize - 1st March 2004
Quote:DJ: Well said, but I highly doubt fittsy saw Spirited Away, let alone understood the whole point the movie.:D
Edit: Haha, I was right!
I like at least a couple animes...all of the ten short movie dealies in The Animatrix...save for 'Beyond'. That was fucked up.
The 76th Annual Oscars - Great Rumbler - 1st March 2004
I've seen it and yes it is a very good, if sad, movie.
Memories [a collection of 3 animes, one of which is done by the director of Akira] came out on DVD not too long ago and it's pretty good too.
I really want to see Tokyo Godfathers and Steamboy [by the directors of Millenium Actress and Akira respectively], they both look really good.
The 76th Annual Oscars - OB1 - 1st March 2004
Oh yes, I can't wait until those come out.
Millennium Actress is probably one of my all-time favorites. The director of MA was asked "this movie could have easily been a live-action production, so why was it animated", and he replied "because I make animated movies!". Haha... I thought that was pretty funny.
... well I did...