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Russian Democracy - A Black Falcon - 9th February 2004 Oxymoron at work... these top two are just about the latest incident. http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/02/08/russia.election.ap/index.html http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/02/09/russia.rybkin/index.html http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/02/05/russia.yukos.sentence/index.html http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/10/26/russia.magnate.1315/index.html http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/10/30/yukos.prosecutors1525/index.html http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/11/04/us.yukos/index.html http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/10/28/cnna.russia/index.html http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/01/26/russia.powell/index.html Putin is ... not exactly the most democratic ruler around? Oh, and did I mention that he has no real opposition for the upcoming election? His party won the last parliamentary (Duma) election, too... perfectly shocking considering he controls all the major media outlets and they put his party in a very good light... I'm not saying Putin had something to do with this, it easily could have been the Mafia, but either way Russian democracy is not in good shape at all. Russian Democracy - N-Man - 9th February 2004 I thought you'd like it, he's beating on the big corporate bosses. The last event wasn't Putin's doing, he doesn't need the Liberals' measly 1% to win the next elections. At any rate, his democracy sure as hell is doing better than Yeltsin's. Russian Democracy - A Black Falcon - 9th February 2004 Beating on corporate bosses? You mean putting the head of Yukos in jail? No, that's not what that is. That is putting a major political rival in prison for things that, while he is probably guilty of, everyone in his group did during that period for the sole purpose of removing a major threat to Putin's stranglehold on the Russian media... Russian Democracy - N-Man - 9th February 2004 Most everyone in Russia wants the oligarchs (like Yukos) out. That does have the "odd side effect" of concentrating lots of power in Putin's hands, but he's still executing the will of the people whether we like it or not. Russian Democracy - A Black Falcon - 9th February 2004 "Side effect"? Are you nuts? That IS the effect! The side effect is getting rid of an oligarch... note how none of the oligarchs who are on Putin's side politically get in trouble, only this one who dared to oppose him! Russian Democracy - N-Man - 9th February 2004 Yes, that was sarcasm. The fact is he's still winning the elections, legally, 'cause what he's doing is the will of the electors. Doesn't get much more democratic than that. I'll agree he has to be watched (what Russian leader doesn't?), but up to now what he's done is mostly good for the nation. Russian Democracy - A Black Falcon - 9th February 2004 Umm... true, he isn't rigging the elections in the ballot box. He doesn't have to. All he has to do is what he is doing now -- keep his national media monopoly. When all the national networks are proclaiming how great Putin and his party is, and the only voices of dissent are small and powerless, of course he's going to win... Russian Democracy - A Black Falcon - 9th February 2004 NYT op-ed piece... right-wing guy but its good. :) http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/09/opinion/09SAFI.html Quote:OP-ED COLUMNIST Russian Democracy - N-Man - 9th February 2004 Well, what else do you want? The previous situation had the oligarchs owning those media outlets and promoting their own parties which a) promoted the oligarchs' interests and besides were b) corrupt and involved in all sorts of wacky schemes. Now, instead, they promote the party line. What's the better alternative? It's not like those media outlets were giving every party equal air time or dedication, or were promoting parties with any kind of integrity whatsoever. The "voices of dissent" have always been squashed in Russia; before it was by industrialists with ties to the mob, now it's by a guy that seems vaguely interested in the rule of the law. You know, I'm all for wild and uninhibited capitalism, but Russian business is rotten to the core. The entire country's a grey zone of semi-legal practices. It needs a serious clean-up to stop wallowing in both legal and economic mediocrity, and Putin looks like he might be the man to do that... or at least start the job. Russian Democracy - Great Rumbler - 9th February 2004 Cold War II? Russian Democracy - N-Man - 9th February 2004 You've got to be kidding. That's a load of paranoid bull. Yes, Putin is interested in keeping the Russian sphere of influence active. No, he's not "threatening the sovereignty" of his democratic neighbors. Russian Democracy - A Black Falcon - 9th February 2004 If you think that you are not paying much attention to Eastern European politics. Well Cold War II isn't realistic but a Russia united by a man who controls the country with no dissent allowed, trying to make itsself important on the world stage again (though right now it has a shattered, destroyed economy) even if that leads to conflict with our ideals (not war or anything, but trouble)? That is where we are heading. McCain has the right of it. Oh, and you're saying that Russia is better off in the hands of ex-KGB than it is in the hands of dissenting rich people... yes, Russia is badly rotten and full of corruption, the Mafia is immensely strong, etc... but a effective dictator who allows no real dissent (say something bad and being in a position of strength and you'll find yourself in jail like the ex Yukos head does) is no better! It's not just about if each channel toes a party line. It's about all of them. Sure most channels will have a side but at least before this you had a couple of networks that didn't say Putin is great Putin is great Putin is great all day. Now that's gone, and all channels paw party line... are we much better off when the Soviets were in control? Russian Democracy - alien space marine - 10th February 2004 Russia isnt use to having a choice , They have had dictators for centuries and the Russian public prefers a strong boss then a fragial democracy. Russian Democracy - A Black Falcon - 10th February 2004 Plenty of countries hadn't been used to having a choice before they had democracy but it worked in some of them... we'll just have to hope that eventually they get more democratic I guess, I don't see any hope for Russia to be much of a democracy now... but what that means for our relations with them and for their ambitions as a power, we'll have to see. Russian Democracy - alien space marine - 10th February 2004 Russia has alot of problems with crime namely the mafia, Putin would have to stomp them out. Russian Democracy - A Black Falcon - 10th February 2004 How odd... http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/10/international/europe/10CND-RUSS.html Quote:Missing Russian Candidate Is Found Alive Yes, people, this is the kind of opponents Putin has... Russian Democracy - Great Rumbler - 10th February 2004 Wow. Russian Democracy - A Black Falcon - 10th February 2004 Crazy, isn't it? Russian Democracy - Great Rumbler - 10th February 2004 Maybe he should TELL people he's going on vacation next time. Russian Democracy - Weltall - 10th February 2004 BRAINWASHED Russian Democracy - A Black Falcon - 10th February 2004 Yeah... he sounds a bit ... excentric... Russian Democracy - Weltall - 10th February 2004 Yeah... I bet if anyone in America ever did this.... ...it would be Howard Dean! Russian Democracy - A Black Falcon - 10th February 2004 Bush would, he'd forget he had to be somewhere... :) Russian Democracy - Great Rumbler - 10th February 2004 Dean would yell out to everyone where he was going. Dean: I'M GOING TO MAUI!!! Russian Democracy - A Black Falcon - 10th February 2004 And Bush would be like a five year old... wandering off and looking at the shiny thing over there... Russian Democracy - Great Rumbler - 10th February 2004 Shiny things are cool though... Russian Democracy - A Black Falcon - 10th February 2004 But at least Bush has to be elected... well, sort of... if he manipulates the system enough... Russian Democracy - Darunia - 10th February 2004 Russian Democracy. Hah. We all know they're still secretly operating under communism. It was in the Simpsons. Russian Democracy - A Black Falcon - 10th February 2004 As I said, it was meant as an oxymoron... you know, like "Military Intelligence"... :) Russian Democracy - A Black Falcon - 11th February 2004 Hmm... http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/02/11/russia.rybkin/index.html Russian Democracy - A Black Falcon - 13th February 2004 Explanation number three! http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/13/international/europe/13CND-RUSS.html?hp Quote:Resurfaced Russian Candidate Offers Account of Lost Days Russian Democracy - Weltall - 13th February 2004 Wow! This guy just might be crazier than Deaniac! It is possible! Russian Democracy - A Black Falcon - 13th February 2004 He certainly seems quite nuts... three explanations within days for a weeklong dissapearance? So... which is it? A) A weeklong vacation B) Hiding from assassins C) Kidnappers who threatened and released him D) Something else |