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WOW beta! - OB1 - 23rd February 2004
You're an idiot, Brian. I sincerely hope you know that.
WoW's graphics engine sucks. That is all I ever said.
WOW beta! - A Black Falcon - 24th February 2004
And all I ever said is that it's plenty good for the art style they are aiming for. Oh sure it'd be cool if there were twice as many polys but why push it? They might have to cut back on the art or detail in some ways to do that to make the game playable on a modern computer system. Myself, I'll take the "lesser" engine that allows for more details and stuff over the "better" engine that doesn't really do that... and of course Blizz's art department makes the whole issue just about irrelevant. :)
WOW beta! - OB1 - 24th February 2004
You're so fucking boring, Brian. Unbelievably so.
WOW beta! - A Black Falcon - 25th February 2004
Yeah I know it's so boring to like artwork you think is good.
WOW beta! - OB1 - 25th February 2004
It's so fucking boring to hear you repeat the same damn thing over and over and ignore the same damn thing over and over.
WOW beta! - A Black Falcon - 25th February 2004
I think you are describing yourself there. Look at this thread -- all you do is repeat yourself! That's why I repeat myself... if you changed anything I would too to react, but you don't...
WOW beta! - OB1 - 25th February 2004
I have to repeat myself because you can't comprehend a damn thing I say!
WOW beta! - A Black Falcon - 25th February 2004
Funny, that's what I think too... you don't understand anything I say so I repeat myself and then when you do "understand" it's gone too long so now you can't back down and absolutely refuse to conceive of the idea that I might have a point... this is a PERFECT example of that.
WOW beta! - OB1 - 25th February 2004
*bangs head on wall*
You're an absolute dumbass, ABF. Good grief. You're a broken record! A broken, retarded record that only plays crappy music!
WOW beta! - A Black Falcon - 25th February 2004
I wouldn't be if you were less annoying!
WOW beta! - OB1 - 25th February 2004
That's IT!
*packs bags, prepares for trip to Maine in order to beat the shit out of ABF*
WOW beta! - A Black Falcon - 25th February 2004
Oh I'm so scared now...
But if you were less stubborn you'd see that I'm right. See because my position DOES NOT MEAN YOURS IS WRONG! Do you get that? No? Didn't think so...
WOW beta! - OB1 - 25th February 2004
Your position (art) has absolutely nothing to do with my position (technical).
WOW beta! - A Black Falcon - 25th February 2004
My position on technical is that it's good enough, as I've said before. Not the best, but good enough to show off the art well. And it can show a lot of stuff on screen and I'm sure it'll run on a midrange system better than most of those more graphically ambitious ones ever will, which is another goal of Blizz's...
WOW beta! - OB1 - 25th February 2004
Sure it's "good enough", but it's hardly a graphically impressive game.
WOW beta! - A Black Falcon - 25th February 2004
Then why do all the major gaming sites seem to be drooling over it, including IGN?
WOW beta! - OB1 - 25th February 2004
Nobody is "drooling" over the graphics in the game.
WOW beta! - A Black Falcon - 25th February 2004
A bit of an overstatement but they aren't exactly saying that they are in any way deficient, that's for sure.
WOW beta! - OB1 - 25th February 2004
That's because there aren't many MMORPGs that look better. The genre is filled with ugly titles.
WOW beta! - A Black Falcon - 25th February 2004
And shouldn't that tell you something? Like how in a MMORPG environment it's tougher to do good graphics?
I wonder how much people will have to tune down EQ2 to get it to run on a average computer...
WOW beta! - OB1 - 25th February 2004
I don't care how it looks compared to most MMORPGs. It doesn't look that great, period.
WOW beta! - A Black Falcon - 27th February 2004
... you are being so incredibly stupid that continuing this discussion would be pointless. IT SHOULD BE COMPARED TO SIMILAR GAMES OBVIOUSLY!
And anyway as I said a thousand times I just don't see why you care so much if the technical engine is a bit behind, given the level of detail and art that really shouldn't matter...
WOW beta! - OB1 - 27th February 2004
You're a poop face, ABF.
There, I said it. Happy now?
WOW beta! - A Black Falcon - 27th February 2004
Oh yes that sure clears up this arguement...
WOW beta! - OB1 - 27th February 2004
There's only one "e" in argument!
WOW beta! - A Black Falcon - 27th February 2004
Oh horror a minor spelling mistake!
WOW beta! - OB1 - 27th February 2004
You do it every single time!
WOW beta! - Great Rumbler - 27th February 2004
...
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WoW's graphics engine really isn't that great.
WOW beta! - OB1 - 27th February 2004
I know!
WOW beta! - Great Rumbler - 27th February 2004
I knew that you know!
WOW beta! - OB1 - 27th February 2004
That's pretty darn crazy!
WOW beta! - Great Rumbler - 27th February 2004
Crazier than a fox!
WOW beta! - OB1 - 27th February 2004
Yeah! ... those animals are pretty nutty...
WOW beta! - alien space marine - 28th February 2004
Poop in your mouth!
WOW beta! - OB1 - 28th February 2004
Haha... heh.... um....
WOW beta! - Great Rumbler - 28th February 2004
:shake:
WOW beta! - A Black Falcon - 1st March 2004
You are an idiot. That is all.
WOW beta! - OB1 - 1st March 2004
Good one!
*claps for ABF's awesome comeback*
WOW beta! - Great Rumbler - 1st March 2004
Woo!! ABF Comeback Party!!
WOW beta! - OB1 - 1st March 2004
Yay!
Hahaha... we are pretty annoying...
In an AWESOME way!
WOW beta! - Great Rumbler - 1st March 2004
In a way full awesomnity!
WOW beta! - A Black Falcon - 1st March 2004
There is nothing else appropriate to say when you completely ignore all of my arguements and continue to repeat your statements that I've proven to be based on fallacious premises as if they were still completely valid!
WOW beta! - OB1 - 1st March 2004
*waits for ABF's response*
*twiddles fingers*
WOW beta! - A Black Falcon - 1st March 2004
You missed it writing your reply. :D
WOW beta! - OB1 - 1st March 2004
My statements are perfectly valid. WoW has a crap graphics engine. End of debate.
WOW beta! - A Black Falcon - 3rd March 2004
And do you honestly think that that statement counters any of my major arguements (ignoring the fact that like usual you greatly overstate things)?
WOW beta! - Great Rumbler - 3rd March 2004
Great Rumbler say he who is foolish is one who does not admit his faults.
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Yeah...I don't really know how this is relevant either...
WOW beta! - Smoke - 16th March 2004
You two are still arguing about WoW's graphics?!
Are WoW's graphics as technically impressive as EQ2's? No.
Do EQ2's graphics look like shit anyway? Yes! :D
Art style goes a long way with me. Plus I can't stand the plastic looking characters in EQ2.
I'll admit I'm biased against EQ2 though. Only because I "played" (I use the term very loosely) the original EverQuest. I only played the game for a short while but it basically boiled down too:
1)Walk up to monster.
2)Attack monster.*
3)Wait for monster to die.
4)Repeat steps 1-3
*Skip step 2 by turning on auto-attack!
Now I realize that's just the monster bashing part of the game. Problem is that's all EQ was, a monster bashing game. Also reffered to as "the level treadmill". You kill monsters to gain experience to level up so you can kill more powerful monsters to gain experience to level up until you finally reach the max level. Then it's all about big guild runs. Don't belong to a big guild? Aww, too bad.
World of Warcraft is nothing like this.
First of all WoW's combat is so much deeper. There's too many details for me to list them all so check out the warrior class page for an idea of how melee combat will work. While you're at it you should check out the brand spanking new World of Warcraft Community Site!
Rejoice, for the beta is at hand! That also means the lifting of the NDA. Watch for lot's of new info in the coming days.
WOW beta! - alien space marine - 17th March 2004
They added cooking as a trade skill :shake:
Whats neat is every class has a special unlockable secret , Paladins can get the Charger horse , Warlocks can get nightmares.
WOW beta! - A Black Falcon - 17th March 2004
Quote:Are WoW's graphics as technically impressive as EQ2's? No.
Do EQ2's graphics look like shit anyway? Yes!
Exactly! As I said, Art > Technical. The main problem in this "debate" is making OB1 understand that I THINK ART > TECHNICAL... it's like he thinks it's absurd or something, I don't get it...
OB1's latest comment there that he thinks that saying the graphics engine is poor ends the debate irrevocably proves that after 7 pages he still doesn't understand that amazingly simple point I have said to him about five hundred times. And it's REALLY getting old.