Quote:Originally posted by A Black Falcon
Those people I mentioned (Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, et al)... awful human beings. They make a living by being incredibly offensive and shocking... its despicable. How they, or anyone else, can believe hate speech as extreme as that... I just don't get it.

Quote: Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Louis Farrakhan, Palestinian Terrorists, and baby murderers (listing those two in sequence is pretty redundant, but whatever), the same people who openly make racist statements about black people who aren't liberal (Clarence Thomas, anyone?), whose presidential candidates are platforming on a personal war against Bush and who in colleges preach hate speech about our own nation?

Quote:Just because one has an ideal, no matter how noble, doesn't mean they can go around killing people, and innocent people at that. Yes, that IS terrorism ABF, I agree. Don't judge the ideal of eliminating giving people the choice to murder someone who's an inconvinience by the actions of people who murder for no good reason.

Quote:Just to let you know, I perfectly agree that those who bomb buildings and such in the name of anti-abortion are just evil terrorists. Just because one has an ideal, no matter how noble, doesn't mean they can go around killing people, and innocent people at that. Yes, that IS terrorism ABF, I agree. Don't judge the ideal of eliminating giving people the choice to murder someone who's an inconvinience by the actions of people who murder for no good reason.

Quote:Originally posted by A Black Falcon
That's all either completely false or so twisted that trying to set it straight is pointless...

Well, except for the fact that we definitely hate Bush, a lot, and REALLY want to beat him... and the candidates know that, so they're doing exactly what they should to be elected. :)

Al Sharpton? Most Democrats most certainly do not see him as a viable presidential candidate... he's made too many questionable positions to be one. Jesse Jackson? What has he done that's so horrible, except for standing up against discrimination... oh, sure, some things he's done I've disagreed with, but there is nothing wrong with wanting equality. Taking it a bit too far like they do sometimes can be a problem, but nowhere near as big a one as discrimination...

Democrats don't support terrorists. That much is obvious to anyone sane.

Abortion is a important right our country has and defending it against radical hate-mongering is an important thing that Democrats have to do... I also think that there should be much harsher punishments for violent anti-abortion groups. They really are terrorists, of course...

As for preaching hate speech against ourselves, that's just nuts too. Its called trying to look at our country in a "fair and balanced (:D) way... most Republicans have proven completely incapable of that, so someone's got to do it. Saying ways that this great nation could be doing better isn't 'hating the USA'... and neither is disliking policies we hate.

Why is it that when its a Democrat who's doing things Republicans hate its fine to detest him and hate him and hate all of his policies and vocally say so but when its the other way around we are anti-American hatemongering terrorist-helpers? Morons...

Quote:Originally posted by A Black Falcon
Umm... That last sentence confuses me... could you explain it? :)

Quote:And Weltall, left-wing people just don't do the kind of stuff right-wingers do. Do you see people on the left declaring that all conservatives are evil people who are anti-American or some lunacy like that?

Quote:Originally posted by A Black Falcon
People like you getting real political power... very, very scary idea. Bush is awful, but even he's not on the level of viscious attack dogs like Coulter...

And Weltall, left-wing people just don't do the kind of stuff right-wingers do. Do you see people on the left declaring that all conservatives are evil people who are anti-American or some lunacy like that? No, that kind of extremism, thankfully, seems mostly restricted to the far right...

Quote:Abortion is a important right our country has and defending it against radical hate-mongering is an important thing that Democrats have to do... I also think that there should be much harsher punishments for violent anti-abortion groups. They really are terrorists, of course...

Quote:"Liberals hate America, they hate flag-wavers, they hate abortion opponents, they hate all religions except Islam, post 9/11. Even Islamic terrorists don't hate America like Liberals do. They don't have the energy. If they had that much energy, they'd have indoor plumbing by now."

Quote:Originally posted by A Black Falcon
Hardly. What that suggests is that white people dominate in the positions of power, and in the upper levels of pay and society... and that is a fact.

Now, is part of the blame on blacks as well? I'd say yes... Hip-hop/rap culture seems to perpetuate some of the issues that have plagued American black society for a long time, for the greater ill of their society now and in the future. They should be acting to help better their group, not just make glorious their problems... but still, since whites do have most of the power they should be doing more.

Ah... so that's what you meant. I thought it might be that, but really couldn't tell... and as I'm sure you know there are all kinds of reasons other than the existence of the violent radicals that abortion is an important right that needs to be protected. But we've had several huge, pointless arguements about that, including one not too long ago... I REALLY don't want to go through that again.

Maybe I could just like link that thread, and we could post all those old posts again... it'd get just as far...

Quote:That said, I am against equality for everyone because not everyone is equal and not everyone deserves to be. Some people are naturally superior to others, and thus deserve natural favoritism. Note that before you start calling me a nazi or whichever colorful anti-conservative invective you choose to employ, I do not believe skin color has anything to do with that.

Quote:Originally posted by OB1
So then I suppose you believe that people with downs syndrome are less equal then you and I because they're not as smart or fast as us. They're lesser humans, in other words, and therefor deserve less in life.

That's rich, Weltall.

Quote:The OPPOSITE end is giving people who have a harder time all manner of help, possibly to the point where they didn't even have to do any work to "succeed".

Quote:Originally posted by A Black Falcon
That just isn't true at all! So everyone who grows up in a disadvantaged situation and realizes that because of how they grew up they can't be what they wanted to be is a lazy bum with no motivation? That is just lunacy... look, its a proven fact that blacks, and especially lower-income blacks, do worse on standardized tests than white people. Why? No one's really sure, but their economic position, and the racism that still exists in this nation today under the surface, probably is a big part of it. Is it a poor person's fault that because they cannot afford a SAT tutor or class, they won't do as well on the test and colleges will say they aren't as smart as they actually are? Of course not! That idea is insane, yet its what anti-AA people say... it helps disadvantaged people who otherwise most probably wouldn't ever be able to get in no matter how hard they tried. I just don't see how you can say that that isn't true... but you have bizarre ideas about why people are poor (its NOT their fault! Not in 99% of cases, anyway... there's always that one person who goes from rags to riches, but that's so rare that the main thing it does is help keep the poor down and keeps them from realizing how bad their situation actually is (see: lotteries)...

Quote:Originally posted by A Black Falcon
One... yeah, I thought of that while I was writing it. That's why I said that poverty is the most important factor... maybe I should have gone back and edited it too, but I'm too lazy. :)

Two... poor work ethic a disability? Well, sorta... more or less so depending on situation. In most it is indeed self-inflicted... but did you miss how I said that in the poor classes Weltall is discussing in many cases work ethic is irrelevant as either way you won't be going anywhere? In that kind of helpless situation its very easy to see how people give up, and I can't blame them too much...

Quote:Originally posted by A Black Falcon
Oh yeah, the idea that poor people who want to can and will improve themselves will and all the others are bums has held SO true and worked SO well over the many thousands of years of human civilization...

Oh wait, its pretty much the opposite...

All you are trying to do is justify the ancient idea that the rich should prosper while the poor suffer. That idea just isn't okay anymore!