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X-Box: Not Kiddy Enough! - A Black Falcon - 20th September 2003 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3120794.stm Quote: Microsoft is trying to change the image of the Xbox as a console just for hardcore gamers by turning its attention to family-friendly games. :D X-Box: Not Kiddy Enough! - Dark Jaguar - 20th September 2003 Yeah, the dark nature of games like Blinx is just too much XBoxitdude. (nature of comment: I mean to point out there are exceptions to this, but I agree XBox certainly has a large share of T and M rated games compaired to E). X-Box: Not Kiddy Enough! - A Black Falcon - 20th September 2003 Uhh... are we supposed to know what Xboxitdude is? X-Box: Not Kiddy Enough! - Dark Jaguar - 20th September 2003 Yes. Even if I just made up the word. Someone else: I think DJ meant XBoxitude. DJ mispelled it! DJ: How can I misspell a word I just invented? No, that's how it's pronounced, but the first "d" is silent! X-Box: Not Kiddy Enough! - A Black Falcon - 20th September 2003 'Xboxitude' sounds a lot more like a real word. :) But its pretty funny that after making so much of an effort to get hardcore and older gamers to like their console (and in many cases succeeding), they now have to turn around and try to attract Nintendo's market of children which I'm sure they've made fun of. :D X-Box: Not Kiddy Enough! - Great Rumbler - 20th September 2003 Heh heh, weren't these the same people that bashed Nintendo because they catered to the younger audience? :D X-Box: Not Kiddy Enough! - A Black Falcon - 20th September 2003 Yes, exactly... :D X-Box: Not Kiddy Enough! - Great Rumbler - 20th September 2003 I wonder how all the Xbox fanboys are taking in this little snippet of info. Xbox fanboy: What the...?! How can this be?! The Xbox is going kiddy?! NOOOOOOOOO!!! X-Box: Not Kiddy Enough! - OB1 - 20th September 2003 I love it how they say that they know how to target the "hardcore gamer", which is a complete joke because it's casual gamers that are keeping Sony and MS at the top. X-Box: Not Kiddy Enough! - A Black Falcon - 20th September 2003 I'd definitely say that the X-Box has far more hardcore gamers than the PS2, though... his point may not be completely accurate, but its not totally absurd. Would you say the Cube has so many more hardcore gamers? Sure, its got a lot of them, but so does X-Box... PS2 doesn't have nearly as many, I'd say. X-Box: Not Kiddy Enough! - OB1 - 20th September 2003 Look at the monthly top ten lists for X-Box software. You'll see well-marketed crap like DOA Xtreme Beach Volleyball up there all of the time. The Gamecube has more "hardcore" gamers because Nintendo has been around the longest and has the largest following of die-hard, long-time fans who'll always buy their systems and games. The PS2 probably has the largest amount of hardcore games since hardcore gamers like to play lots of games and Nintendo simply doesn't release enough of them each year. But the reason why the PS2 is so popular is because it has attracted the largest amount of casual gamers. X-Box: Not Kiddy Enough! - Laser Link - 20th September 2003 Quote:The company has an accomplished track record in coming up with original and child-friendly games for Nintendo, behind hits such as Donkey Kong 64, Banjo-Kazooie, GoldenEye 007 and Perfect Dark. Yeah, Goldeneye and PD were both child-friendly games. Why not mention Conker while you're at it? I guess Microsoft realized that targetting just hardcore gamers doesn't sell enough consoles to make money. And if I was Microsoft, I sure wouldn't copy what Nintendo is doing... X-Box: Not Kiddy Enough! - Great Rumbler - 21st September 2003 What's up with that? PD, Conkers, and Goldeneye AREN'T child-friendly games. X-Box: Not Kiddy Enough! - Dark Jaguar - 21st September 2003 To be fair, the article actually merely said that both Rare made a lot of kid friendly games for the N64 AND it made the games in the list it gave. It didn't specifically say that all the games it listed Rare as making were kid friendly. However, it certainly looks that way the way that sentence is phrased. X-Box: Not Kiddy Enough! - A Black Falcon - 21st September 2003 Nintendo pretty much just has the hardcore Nintendo loyalists and younger gamers... Microsoft I think attracted a bunch of PC gamers as well as people who had had other consoles before... and they market themselves as for 'hardcore' gamers and not softcore like Sony. But yes, a lot of their games would definitely appeal to the mass market... but then again, so would plenty of Nintendo games if they were as well marketed as Microsoft's were! X-Box: Not Kiddy Enough! - OB1 - 22nd September 2003 "Hardcore and sofcore". Haha, it sounds like you're talking about porn. ![]() Why would PC gamers be attracted to the X-Box? Most of their big titles are just PC ports or games that are or will soon be available on the PC... And if the X-Box fan base was mainly hardcore gamers then games like JSRF and Panzer Dragoon Orta would have sold more than 10 copies each (close enough). X-Box: Not Kiddy Enough! - A Black Falcon - 22nd September 2003 Because lots of PC developers released games for it... something that would of course attract PC gamers... Oh, and you're right about JSRF and Panzer Dragoon... but I doubt they'd have done much better on the other consoles, though we won't know. X-Box: Not Kiddy Enough! - OB1 - 22nd September 2003 Oh I'm sure that those Sega games would have done better on the PS2 or 'cube. And what original X-Box games have PC developers made? Games that aren't soon-to-be-released on the PC? X-Box: Not Kiddy Enough! - A Black Falcon - 22nd September 2003 Never said they released lots of X-Box only games, just that they released games on it and that will attract some people... though most of the PC to X-Box stuff is from Microsoft itsself (MechWarrior, Midtown Madness, Halo, etc...). X-Box: Not Kiddy Enough! - OB1 - 22nd September 2003 So there are a handful of games that might attract PC people. X-Box: Not Kiddy Enough! - A Black Falcon - 22nd September 2003 Yes. Oh, and whatever Fable is being called is another one. X-Box: Not Kiddy Enough! - Great Rumbler - 22nd September 2003 Quote:Fable is another one. If they ever release it. X-Box: Not Kiddy Enough! - OB1 - 22nd September 2003 Fable is being called Fable. It used to be called Project Ego. And it's not something that PC gamers would be very attracted to. Too cartoony. :roll2: And it should be out early next year. I hope. X-Box: Not Kiddy Enough! - A Black Falcon - 22nd September 2003 The developer, OB1, the developer! He's pretty popular in PC circles... :) X-Box: Not Kiddy Enough! - OB1 - 23rd September 2003 Yeah but you know how PC people hate nice, cartoony character designs. X-Box: Not Kiddy Enough! - A Black Falcon - 23rd September 2003 Oh come on, its not like EVERYONE does... and the name 'Peter Molyneux' should draw people who would otherwise question the graphics. X-Box: Not Kiddy Enough! - OB1 - 23rd September 2003 I dunno... I know a lot of PC-only gamers and they just like their serious, boring character designs. X-Box: Not Kiddy Enough! - A Black Falcon - 23rd September 2003 Oh come on, that's a generalization that's hardly accurate for the majority of PC gamers... X-Box: Not Kiddy Enough! - Dark Jaguar - 23rd September 2003 Yeah, PC people sure hate cartoony graphics... *goes back to playing Warcraft 3* X-Box: Not Kiddy Enough! - A Black Falcon - 23rd September 2003 Very good point there, DJ... :) X-Box: Not Kiddy Enough! - OB1 - 24th September 2003 Warcraft isn't that cartoony. Certainly not as much as Fable is. X-Box: Not Kiddy Enough! - Dark Jaguar - 24th September 2003 Now OB1, psychology dictates that you MUST think WC3 is in fact cartoony since I never once said WC3 was cartoony, nor did ABF. I just "agreed" with you and said I was going to play it. You said the rest. Admit it, you think that game does look very cartoony. You already told us you did pretty much. http://www.xboxcentral.net/screenshots/view/246.xbc That's not very cartoony.... It's pretty much what a lot of PC games look like, only more adventurous. Then there's this... http://www.blizzard.com/war3/races/ Even the undead look... X-Box: Not Kiddy Enough! - A Black Falcon - 24th September 2003 DJ, just accept that OB1 has never played Warcraft II or Warcraft III and leave it... because if he had played either one of those games he'd know that that statement is moronic. edit: looked at the Fable screenshot. Unless the graphics are actually dramatically different from that, it looks many, many times more realistic than Warcraft, either 2 or 3... Now, Warcraft I was admittedly a lot more 'realistic'-fantasy looking, but II and III? They're just about as cartoonish as fantasy games get in look. X-Box: Not Kiddy Enough! - OB1 - 24th September 2003 Quote:Now OB1, psychology dictates that you MUST think WC3 is in fact cartoony since I never once said WC3 was cartoony, nor did ABF. I just "agreed" with you and said I was going to play it. You said the rest. Admit it, you think that game does look very cartoony. You already told us you did pretty much. That is false. I never said that Warcraft isn't cartoony, just that it's not very cartoony, not as much as Fable is. Is that all you can do? Take one screenshot of Fable that doesn't look that cartoony? :roll2: Take a look at the character designs and some screens from the Fable. Definitely more cartoony than Warcraft III (which I have, btw): ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() X-Box: Not Kiddy Enough! - A Black Falcon - 24th September 2003 That is certainly cartoony... but more cartoony than WC2/3? I'm not so sure. WC2 and 3 (they have very similar styles, despite the number of years and 2d vs 3d nature of their graphics...) are VERY cartoonish. Starcraft isn't cartoonish, for comparison, nor Age of Empires, but WC is a very, very cartoonish look... Just look at Warcraft II! The 'evil' Orcs look all cute and cuddly, almost... :D Especially the architecture. Its a very distinctive cartoonish look... just look at the shots of World of Warcraft for proof of that fact! X-Box: Not Kiddy Enough! - OB1 - 24th September 2003 Not this cartoony. And with strategy games you see everything from far above so it's not as apparent. X-Box: Not Kiddy Enough! - Dark Jaguar - 24th September 2003 Unless you turn the camera, and do you really have WC3, or just the demo? Yes, those pics which I am just now seeing are in fact VERY cartoony. I only found some like what I posted and many others from XBox.com that didn't look like that at all. Well, I'll go ahead and dismiss the concept art though. That's not what'll be in the game. Why'd you mainly post pics of the kid though? Only way to proove your point? The brawl there hardly looks like the rest. It would seem the overall look of it changes depending on how old your character is. And by the by, WC3 looks very much like Ocarina of Time art style, in other words very cartoony. OOT featured MASSIVE noses on everyone, but WC3 instead focuses on MASSIVE chins on everyone. Oh and LL, if you are reading this (probably not, this is "mindnumbingly interesting"), they just released a battlechest for WC3. It would have been nice if they tossed in WC2 with the collection, but hopes for that I lost when Blizzard threw out WC1 from what's now the WC2 Battlechest (which isn't even a chest anymore when all it has is ONE game (though with the expansion built in) and a strat guide). Get that and you'll save some money instead of buying WC3 and the expansion seperatly. X-Box: Not Kiddy Enough! - A Black Falcon - 24th September 2003 You have played Warcraft II and can say that? Insane... that is cartoony sure but not as much as Warcraft! Oh, and note the mention of WoW... X-Box: Not Kiddy Enough! - Dark Jaguar - 24th September 2003 I still can't get over the simple hilarity on the WC3 guys with the LARGEST chins, the knights. THE CRIMSON CHIN! X-Box: Not Kiddy Enough! - A Black Falcon - 24th September 2003 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() They are both cartoonish, in different ways... X-Box: Not Kiddy Enough! - Dark Jaguar - 24th September 2003 WC3 is more obviously cartoonish in most scenes. ABF just picked the worst examples he could is all (well some of that is World of Warcraft...). X-Box: Not Kiddy Enough! - A Black Falcon - 25th September 2003 Worst? Hardly... those are fine examples of WoW. DJ... you couldn't tell that all of those shots (except for the WC2 ones of course) are from WoW, not WC3? :) I'd say that it shows Warcraft cartoonishness pretty well... look at the buildings, trees, and character designs... good examples of Warcraft cartoonish art style. And the WC2 shots are quite clearly cartoon. And as for those Fable shots... concept art doesn't count, yeah. As for the actual shots... the buildings and children look quite cartoonish, for sure, but the other people? Not nearly as cartoonish as Warcraft people. X-Box: Not Kiddy Enough! - OB1 - 25th September 2003 Wow, are you people really that blind? I posted the concept art because that is exactly how the characters will look like in the game. The graphics in Fable are obviously several times better than the graphics in WC3 so you two are confusing high poly counts for realistic character models. Fable is definitely going to be much more cartoony than OoT, and nothing I have seen in WC3 is very cartoon-like. Ugly, low-poly models, sure. But cartoony? Hell no. Perhaps the developers tried to make the game look somewhat cartoony, but none of the models or environments look cartoony. My brother owns the full version of WC3 and I play it quite often, so yes I know how the game looks. I showed screens of kids because there really aren't too many screenshots of adults in the game from the latest builds. The people in Fable have a very exaggerated, cartoony look to them. Big eyes, big hands and feet, weird cartoon proportions, etc. The backgrounds have a real Disney fairy-tale look to them, so most of the architecture is curved in strange ways. The textures are very colorful but still look reasonably realistic, much like the old Loony Toons cartoons. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() X-Box: Not Kiddy Enough! - A Black Falcon - 25th September 2003 You are insane... Look at the environments, buildings in specific. Yes, the architecture is cartoonish in that its a bit out of proportion and all that. But compared to the architecture in Warcraft (3/WoW)? Just look at the buildings in those shots! Its not even close! Same deal with the people... the Fable people look cartoonish, but not nearly so much as the Warcraft (WC3/WoW) people? No way! And don't even start with Warcraft II, because it out-cartoons all of these games handily. X-Box: Not Kiddy Enough! - OB1 - 25th September 2003 The WC2 shots look a bit cartoony, but WC3 and WoWC do not. Not much, anyhow. Whether or not their intentions were to make the characters and environments seem cartoony does not matter if the actual models and environments do not look cartoony! They're just ugly models and ugly environments, simple as that. You have a very strange definition of "cartoonish". X-Box: Not Kiddy Enough! - A Black Falcon - 25th September 2003 You are totally nuts. Warcraft 2 'just a bit' cartoony??? Warcraft 3 has bad graphics??? Where DO you get that stuff, some Red Alert fanclub mailing? Insane! X-Box: Not Kiddy Enough! - OB1 - 25th September 2003 Great rebuttal as always, ABF. ![]() You seem to only care about the palette of each game rather than the actual renderings or models. Doom is a bright game but I wouldn't call that cartoony. The old Bug Bunny cartoons used a pretty realistic-looking palette but still managed to look very cartoony, and in fact the old Loony Toons are the cartoons which most animators copied. I'm looking at the actual design of the characters and models, not just the textures. Before I decided to get into game design I was seriously thinking about becoming a 2D animator since that's one of the things that I've been in love with since I was a small child. I spent most of my youth drawing; everything from cartoon characters, superheroes, realistic human figures, animals, cars, environments, you name it. That's why I want to get into the artistic side of game design (instead of programming). So I have a pretty good idea of what looks cartoony and what looks realistic. But whatever, you can believe whatever you want to believe. I know that I'm not going to be able to convince you of anything. X-Box: Not Kiddy Enough! - A Black Falcon - 25th September 2003 I would have written more, but I had to go... and anyway, that comment is just so ludicrous that I can't really think of much to say that you'd even begin to listen to... As for the actual models... read what I said and see that that is not the case. When I talk about architecture, I'm talking about the proportions of buildings and how the architecture of Warcraft buildings isn't realistic. Its cartoonish. Yes, the textures are too... but the buildings themselves are quite far detached from realism. Same with the character models, I'd say... X-Box: Not Kiddy Enough! - OB1 - 25th September 2003 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() This is cartoony to you?? ![]() X-Box: Not Kiddy Enough! - A Black Falcon - 25th September 2003 ALL the buildings in Warcraft III are that cartoony... yes, Fable's are too, that is true... I think WC's are a bit more cartoony, but I guess it could go either way. 'ugly' character models? No, I'd say they are good... not as good as Fable, but good. Remember, that's a MMORPG... Oh OB1, how about going at watching WC3's CG cinema scenes? They look great and show the look with better graphics... http://www.blizzard.com/wow/screenshotindex.aspx?PageNo=1&Set=0 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Ships in WC3 is so great to see... :) |