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Miyamoto's big secret Gamecube game: Pacman??!! - OB1 - 17th May 2003 Good Lord, I can't believe that I'm the only one at Tendo City who sees how incredibly stupid Nintendo is for showing off a bunch of gimmicky GBA-GC games at E3 instead of something people actually want. What's wrong with you people?? Do you not care about Nintendo's future?? Do you really think that people are going to buy Gamecubes to play these little games?? And did you think about what I said, ABF? Four Swords and Pacman aren't going to sell Gamecubes because in order to play the games you need GBAs, which means that they'll only be selling more GBAs! If they want to sell Gamecubes then they have to make GBA games that become significantly better with GC support. Like say, a Pokemon game for the cube that lets you design monsters, envinronments, etc. for the GBA Pokemons. Add in all of the other stuff from games like Pokemon Stadium and you'd have a huge hit on your hands. GBA owners are not going to buy Gamecubes for little multiplayer games that you have to play in front of the T.V. You have to entice them buy making them think that they have to get a certain Gamecube game in order to get the most out of a certain GBA game that they own. That makes perfect sense and you know it. Nintendo is going about this whole thing backwards. Miyamoto's big secret Gamecube game: Pacman??!! - lazyfatbum - 17th May 2003 OB1/ Every game Nintendo has mentioned that uses the GBA require one GBA. The other players use GC controllers. It's not about trying to get people to buy Gamecubes anymore. It's about getting people hooked on to an idea. one that will be fully lit when GC2 hits. All Nintendo wants to sell now is their name. Nintendo's thinking for the future. High profits, low cost and happy gamers. What do we complain about the most? 1. Price of software. 2. Time it takes to produce software. 3. Lack of online/LAN support. 4. Hardware not being exploited (mostly by 3rd parties). 5. Quality of software's game content (mostly by 3rd parties). So, Nintendo decides to outsource their top franchises to 3rd parties to create high-standard games just as Nintendo has always done. But where has that gotten Nintendo? Third Place. A giant, beautiful, 5 years+ in the making demi-God of a game produced by the top minds at Nintendo has gotten them third place because today's game players simply dont care. We're all spoiled ADD shock-jocks looking for our next high and we simply do not have the time to gawk at a brilliant project. Games SMS a game that can easily put most platform games to rest, has dropped out of sight after generating millions of sales. It's like it never existed now; People have moved on to the next big Nintendo project, which was of course Zelda. It too has generated millions of sales and is now slowly winding down, within a month or two it wont even be remembered. The same for Metroid Prime. So now, the 3rd parties spend the money to produce the games, and most of it goes to them with a cut to Nintendo. Nintendo spends nothing and gets a profit. Nintendo sees the new trends and it's wised up considerably. Shit, I bet an online multiplayer Pacman game that sells for 30 bucks with an Ethernet adapter will outsell Metroid Prime and Zelda: WW combined in its first few weeks. Welcome to the new machine - You get gobs of software, all of it mass produced and re-packaged memories of yester-year with new modern twists. It costs them nearly nothing to make or upgrade, it costs you nearly nothing to buy, and you can slap it online (for a monthly fee) and play it until you get bored of it. This is sadly what happens to every single game ever made since the dawn of the industry to today. No matter how good, how brilliant, in-genius, spectacular, genre-creating, I dont care if it gave birth to Jesus Christ; People will get bored eventually, and it will collect dust. The New Nintendo stands before you; it answers all your questions, it grants every wish and fixes any complaints. In a few years, it will be like the pure essence of MTV Executives and it will make more money than you can imagine without lifting a finger and we all took part in this new creation. But the downside is that the Golden Project is dead. The multi-million dollar uber-project is an old joke now. Enter the Matrix for GC has cut scenes with real actors. They filmed these extra scenes while they were working on the actual movie. Can Nintendo do that? No. Will Enter the Matrix generate huge sale numbers because of those cut scenes alone? You bet. Can Nintendo pump so much hype and buzz through print ads, commercial spots, movie tie-ins and product placement that you cant help but feel like you need this game or else you'll die? Nope. Nintendo cant even generate hype when they try to, it's all about word of mouth when it comes to how consumers handle Nintendo. No cool factor, no pop, no Hollywood magic or bloated endorsements. And now Nintendo admits defeat to its enemies. The people that forced this change; the game players, have turned Nintendo out faster than a pimp at the school dance. With all the new business knowledge I’ve gained from school, it's so easy for me to see what Nintendo's doing and I’m happy for them. Nintendo will be #1 so far ahead of the competition that the console market will be a mirror to he hand held market - total ownership, a monopoly that would (and will) make Bill cry at night while sleeping in his money bin. Give it a decade to be fully realized, but you can see it squirming in the womb right now. And when it's old enough to take flight, Nintendo will be synonamous with everything game related, right down to the plastic it's pressed on. And no one will ever realize that at one time, games were made to be a form of art, because no one will care. So welcome the new Nintendo with open arms, if you dont you'll be grinded up in to jelly along with anything else that stands in its way. Of course, this could all go horribly wrong. What if Nintendo gives people what they want, and those people realize they didn't want it. Then we'll be playing Mario on a system that doesn't say Nintendo anywhere. The funny thing is, everyone fears that Nintendo will become a software only company. But what they're not seeing is that right now, Nintendo is becoming a hardware only company. It's like a giant pyramid scheme of sales reps. Nintendo sells the meat, the third party's, owned either partially or wholly by Nintendo, sell the bread, and cuts a profit from it. Meanwhile, the only games they'll be working on is what people want right now, the games that are making the most money - Pure shit. Games that I wouldn't wipe my ass with in fear of its transparent nothingness infecting my free time. The cool part is, while Nintendo is changing for the best (worst) they're still more talented than every developer combined. For Nintendo, the in-house production of the golden project is dead; long live the fun factor of the cheap, in-house produced game of the future. Golden projects will still exist, they'll still take 5 to 10 years to be created and they'll still cost millions to produce. And Nintendo will still have their hands in it in the creativity department, but most of the cost of producing will fall squarely on the 3rd parties shoulders... just as most of the profits will. Most... And all Nintendo has to do is make the systems to play it on. Miyamoto's big secret Gamecube game: Pacman??!! - OB1 - 17th May 2003 So Nintendo is going to become number one by not making any more first-party games? And making these CG-GBA games that won't push consoles is a good thing? What exactly are you talking about? BTW I'm sure you were talking about GTA when you mentioned "pure crap" games that sell well. Have you even played any of them yet? Even Miyamoto recognized how great they are, and he even said that games like GTA are good the industry. Here's a direct quote from him: Quote:GameSpy: What do you think of the Grand Theft Auto series? He has a good point there. Miyamoto's big secret Gamecube game: Pacman??!! - lazyfatbum - 17th May 2003 I wasn't just talking about the GTA series, and I was talking more about the Japanese market, not here. To answer your questions, read my post again. You missed something. Miyamoto's big secret Gamecube game: Pacman??!! - Darunia - 17th May 2003 For once OB1 I'm with you. We've seen a turn around not since since the sides of the War of the Austrian Succession flopped to those of the Seven Years' War. I don't see this doing anything for Nintendo either...few will be the die hard GBA fans who'll buy a Cube just for that connectibility. Shiggy's right with his appraisal of GTA...awesome game. Miyamoto's big secret Gamecube game: Pacman??!! - Nintendarse - 17th May 2003 I want to make this very clear. Recently, personal opinion of a product and personal opinion of the product's effect on Nintendo have become frighteningly blurred. These are two separate things. Thus, they should be separate. Too often, our egos get wrapped up in liking a game that we automatically assume that everyone else should think the same way, and thus the game will sell well. The reality is that each of our little opinions of a product is an infinitesimal (really really small) part of Nintendo's audience. So, in a sense, my personal opinion of Pacman has very little influence in the scheme of things. Therefore, I shouldn't even consider my personal opinion of a product when I think about the game's sales. Keeping that in mind, I don't think this is the kind of innovation people are looking for. Certainly not the hardcore gamers that attend E3. The unknown is whether the mass market would grasp this. Unfortunately, Nintendo's got a problem. The numerous Nintendo fans that are dedicated enough to get the full GBA 4-player setup (in general) wouldn't be interested in these simple games. On the other hand, the casuals that might be interested in these games might look at the hurdles (buying a peripheral or several GBAs) and just say, "It's not worth it." For these reasons, I think that these connectivity games will not break out of a small niche. Personally, I'm not interested in 4 swords (too many GBAs), Tetra's Trackers (doesn't look fun), and Pacman (unless it's less than $20). These aren't the game experiences that excite me. But again, that has nothing to do with the fact that I think the games will not bd successful. As I tried to explain about Celda, I thought the art was beautiful, inspired, and wonderful. Simultaneously, I thought that the art style that I liked was not paletable to the mass market. As I said, I try to keep these two separate, as they are two different things. Miyamoto's big secret Gamecube game: Pacman??!! - OB1 - 17th May 2003 And you ended up being wrong as Zelda sold very well in both North America and Europe. I'm definitely going to buy Four Swords if it's not over $30, but I'm still very dissapointed by the fact that it's a GC game and not a GBA one. Miyamoto's big secret Gamecube game: Pacman??!! - Darunia - 18th May 2003 I don't even think I'll do THAT much. The whole concept is very weak to me. This is a waste of resources and time... I'd much rather see the next full-fledged Zelda game on the heels of Wind Waker... but who wouldn't.:( Miyamoto's big secret Gamecube game: Pacman??!! - lazyfatbum - 18th May 2003 How can you expect to see a true Zelda sequel to WW in two months since it's release? :/ This is exactly what i'm talking about, no matter how cool the game is, people play it religously until it's finished and then forget it like it wasn't even there. Nintendo needs atleast 3 to 4 years to make a completely new Zelda game; There is a new one but it's been in the works since post production ended on Ocarina of Time and we'll probably see it by next year. So Nintendo decides to make cheap fun games that play off of WW's and 4 Swords gameplay for people to play with until the next Zelda hits and you guys complain about it. Geez. Miyamoto's big secret Gamecube game: Pacman??!! - OB1 - 18th May 2003 I never expected to see a sequel to WW this year. I did however expect to see a Capcom GBA Zelda and at least one original game from EAD this year. But what to we get from them? Pikmin 2. Now I'm really looking forward to Pikmin 2, but it's essentially the same game as the first one but without the time limit and with some multiplayer support. That's terribly dissapointing from the biggest and developer in the world, don't you think? Miyamoto's big secret Gamecube game: Pacman??!! - lazyfatbum - 18th May 2003 Not at all when you consider that they're neck deep in helping 3rd parties with their franchise games and designing games for the GBA/GCand GC2. It's like the N64's final years; They had Rare release games while they worked on GC stuff. You cant expect a company to keep pumping out huge titles every month, they need time. As for the Capcom Zelda, well I have no idea. And what are you so dissapointed about? F-Zero GX, Metroid Zero Hour and Prime 2, MGS: TS etc etc. Not to mention all the weird games coming out from no-name developers that look extremely promising. None of you guys have talked about Conan or BG&E, Splinter Cell 2, Knights of the Temple god it goes on forever. Not to mention Mario Kart Double Dash which we know will be online. Just settle down and bask in the golden light. Dont forget that Nintendo already said that a brand new Mario, Zelda, Eternal Darkness, Luigi's Mansion, Super Smash Bros, you name it; Are all getting new games. Plus Nintendo will probably be showing off their brand new franchises this year. This E3 was great, what are you so down about? Miyamoto's big secret Gamecube game: Pacman??!! - Great Rumbler - 18th May 2003 Quote:Originally posted by OB1 But, OB1, weren't you the one who said you didn't expect anything big from Nitendo at E3 becuase they were probably going to save it for Spaceworld? Ah, here it is: Quote:Yay! Although I guess this means that Nintendo is going to be holding back a few things from E3 and save them for Spaceworld... Mario 128, anyone? Miyamoto's big secret Gamecube game: Pacman??!! - OB1 - 18th May 2003 Because there's a good chance that Spaceworld won't be on this year. Now lazy, don't get me wrong here. I think this year is going to be great for Gamecube owners. I was just very dissapointed by Nintendo's E3 showing and the complete and total lack of any new unannounced EAD games. Miyamoto was talking about this remarkable new game that would take advantage of the GBA-GC hookup and it ended up being Pacman. That was really dissapointing. Miyamoto's big secret Gamecube game: Pacman??!! - Sacred Jellybean - 18th May 2003 OB1: Why do you say that there's a good chance Spaceworld won't be on this year? Miyamoto's big secret Gamecube game: Pacman??!! - Darunia - 19th May 2003 Yea, OB1...whats up with that. Quote: needs atleast 3 to 4 years to make a completely new Zelda gameEhh I dunno about that...MM was out what, two years after OoT and was a jewel of cartridge gaming. WW was out 3 years later and to me anyway is lacking. I don't think games get good with age. Keeping it in the pot for longer doesn't make them better...they're not wine and cheese. Miyamoto's big secret Gamecube game: Pacman??!! - OB1 - 19th May 2003 Wind Waker was made in two years. And I keep on saying that about Spaceworld because Nintendo of America is saying that there won't be one this year. Miyamoto's big secret Gamecube game: Pacman??!! - Sacred Jellybean - 19th May 2003 Who was it that said it <u>would</u> be on? I'm too lazy to go back and check. Miyamoto's big secret Gamecube game: Pacman??!! - Darunia - 20th May 2003 I hope you're wrong about Space World. Miyamoto's big secret Gamecube game: Pacman??!! - OB1 - 20th May 2003 I hope I'm wrong too. And Beanjo, it was announced a few months ago. Search around TC for the news link. Miyamoto's big secret Gamecube game: Pacman??!! - A Black Falcon - 20th May 2003 OB1, OB1, OB1... you honestly think EAD will release ONE original game this year? Really? And as for Spaceworld, I still don't see why it'd be cancelled... it sure seemed like they said it was on! Miyamoto's big secret Gamecube game: Pacman??!! - OB1 - 20th May 2003 What? The only EAD Gamcube game coming out this year is Pikmin 2, as far as I know. Miyamoto's big secret Gamecube game: Pacman??!! - A Black Falcon - 20th May 2003 Nintendo releases some games with no warning. Also, games released here this year COUNT! Zelda was released this year. And how about the Nintendo Puzzle Collection? Is that EAD? Miyamoto's big secret Gamecube game: Pacman??!! - Sacred Jellybean - 20th May 2003 Oh, it looks like Nintendojo is the one who announced that SpaceWorld was back on... damn, and I was hoping it was a reliable source... Miyamoto's big secret Gamecube game: Pacman??!! - OB1 - 20th May 2003 Zelda doesn't count since it was finished and released in Japan last year. We're talking about how few games they make, ABF. Miyamoto's big secret Gamecube game: Pacman??!! - A Black Falcon - 20th May 2003 I'm talking American releases, and it was released here this year. Nintendojo? That does make it sound a lot less likely... :( Oh, and what about the Puzzle Collection? Miyamoto's big secret Gamecube game: Pacman??!! - OB1 - 20th May 2003 It doesn't matter when it was released in the states. We're talking about their development cycles. They're the biggest developer in the world yet they only have one new game this year, and it's largely the same as the last Pikmin. Miyamoto's big secret Gamecube game: Pacman??!! - Great Rumbler - 21st May 2003 From Cube-Europe: Quote:We Nintendo fans have a tendecy to overreact sometimes. Well, less of a tendecy, more of a natural instinct. Miyamoto's big secret Gamecube game: Pacman??!! - OB1 - 21st May 2003 I really hope that what I read was wrong and Spaceworld really is on this year. Miyamoto's big secret Gamecube game: Pacman??!! - Dark Jaguar - 21st May 2003 Haha, he's exactly right! Nintendo is finallly opening up a bit and we see what happens. Instead of a sudden rush of "amazing announcements" ala last year, they all get out one by one, so when E3 comes around, nothing's left to wow us with except the stuff they still want to keep secret at that time. They aren't going down hill, it's just that with them being as open as other companies we finally just see that in fact Nintendo always has been the company to release hits here and there the whole year, with only the sudden info rush to really give the illusion that those games are coming at us all at once. I prefer them being open, as opposed to that guy, but they should be open about more important things like their online plans too. It's not just them slowly being more open with their stuff, they need to really sell it the second they let the info out. Don't just inform us "oh, by the way, Mario Kart is online, you see we got this online thing going that will be built into lots of games, just so you know". SELL it to us. Tell us everything we have been telling each other in our enthusiasm. Microsoft SOLD their Live kit, Nintendo just informed of their online plan. They should have some huge ads for it all, maybe built into games in the demo menu (which they would do well to add to their games again), so people can't wait to get online. They might also consider pulling a Sony and packing the broadband adapter with Mario Kart. Miyamoto's big secret Gamecube game: Pacman??!! - OB1 - 21st May 2003 I do think they should have helf off the Rebel Strike and Mario Kart announcements until E3. It's not like they unveiled Mario Kart months before the show; they showed it just a week before E3! BTW here's some more news to confirm what I heard about Spaceworld. I got it from today's ign mailbag: Quote:Mario 128 Damn. :( Miyamoto's big secret Gamecube game: Pacman??!! - A Black Falcon - 21st May 2003 That stinks... Miyamoto's big secret Gamecube game: Pacman??!! - Sacred Jellybean - 21st May 2003 Aww. :( Miyamoto's big secret Gamecube game: Pacman??!! - Great Rumbler - 21st May 2003 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Miyamoto's big secret Gamecube game: Pacman??!! - OB1 - 21st May 2003 Yeah. :S Now do you understand why I was so dissapointed with E3? Miyamoto's big secret Gamecube game: Pacman??!! - A Black Falcon - 21st May 2003 Yes, more. Miyamoto's big secret Gamecube game: Pacman??!! - OB1 - 21st May 2003 It's tough being so misunderstood so often. Miyamoto's big secret Gamecube game: Pacman??!! - A Black Falcon - 23rd May 2003 http://www.n-philes.com/php/epvfzkaalfekukzkfvkp.php The Cube screenshot looks cool! Miyamoto's big secret Gamecube game: Pacman??!! - Great Rumbler - 23rd May 2003 Quote:The three players controlling the Ghosts are what makes the game different. Each Ghost has a circular field of vision that allows him to see a small area of the map. To track Pac-Man, the yellow hero leaves a short trail behind him that the Ghosts can track if they are quick enough. The Ghosts can also eat the floating fruit to increase their field of vision. However, if Pac-Man eats the fruit he will decrease the vision of all three Ghosts. He can, of course, still eat the Ghosts by chomping one of the four Power Pellets. When a Ghost catches Pac-Man, play pauses so Pac-Man can switch spots with the Ghost who ate him. This continues until time is up, and the player who earned the most points while Pac-Man wins. Sounds like an awesome party game. Miyamoto's big secret Gamecube game: Pacman??!! - A Black Falcon - 23rd May 2003 Yes, everything I've read has said that its an extremely addictive multiplayer game... Miyamoto's big secret Gamecube game: Pacman??!! - A Black Falcon - 23rd May 2003 http://www.gameforms.com/features/interviews/palomares/ Intresting interview on Gameforms... they ask some tough questions with a Nintendo rep. Read! As for 'why in this thread', well there are about 15 decent candidates and this one is closest to the top of the thread list. :) Quote:During E3 2003, Gameforms' Kyle Buchanan sat down with Dan Palomares from Team Nintendo to get some details on Nintendo's latest big push, the connectivity feature between Gamecube and Game Boy Advance. Miyamoto's big secret Gamecube game: Pacman??!! - OB1 - 24th May 2003 Great interview by gameforms. It's great to see that they're not afraid to ask the tough questions. Pacman looks cool if it's a pack-in with another game for is going to be sold at a low price. This certainly is no replacement for Mario or another new EAD game (remember that this is the only EAD game aside from Pikmin 2 that's coming out this year). Miyamoto's big secret Gamecube game: Pacman??!! - A Black Falcon - 24th May 2003 Yeah, unlike Nintendo fansites, they sure are being tough... and as per usual Nintendo dodged a bunch of them. Quote:Gameforms: Another thing that was mentioned at the press conference was that the Gamecube systems hadn’t sold through this past year according to projections. Won’t the push for connectivity only focus on a niche of players that have a Gamecube, a GBA, and friends with GBA’s, instead of bringing in new players that don’t have either system? Like IGN used to say... he must be one of the Nintendo Jedis! :) Miyamoto's big secret Gamecube game: Pacman??!! - OB1 - 24th May 2003 But that guy is just stupid. Nintendo's main focus at E3 was the GBA-GC connectivity thing. Gameforms is right. Miyamoto's big secret Gamecube game: Pacman??!! - A Black Falcon - 25th May 2003 How is he stupid? He makes a bit of sense... but its tough when you must say the Nintendo line and that line has no good answer for the question... Miyamoto's big secret Gamecube game: Pacman??!! - OB1 - 25th May 2003 He's certainly no Perrin Kaplan. He says one thing and then tries his best to retract it. It's quite hilarious. And some of his answers are very dumb. Miyamoto's big secret Gamecube game: Pacman??!! - A Black Falcon - 25th May 2003 well, no, he's certainly no Perrin Kaplan. And he does contradict himself a bit... he must be new at this. :) |