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an actual debate in the debate forum - lazyfatbum - 18th December 2005 I've read 13 different versions of the bible (old and new testament). I have spoken to many priests and rabbis and have sat in many churches and temples. I have read up on hundreds of legitimate studies from all over the world where the information provided in the books of the bible are compared to what we know of actual history. I definitely do not need to hear the rantings of a single-minded Christian. Jesus was a jew who fought Roman occupancy in the hopes of keeping the Roman Empire from destroying the hebrew faith and was killed by the Romans who, in an underground sect, created Christianity. You follow a faith that is iconically portrayed in the bible as the root of evil (Rome and it's ideals). The fact that Jesus is a Jew and follows a faith that is thousands of years older than Christianity should be enough to get you to start questioning the things presented to you. Quote:If you only respond to one thing I say, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE tell me which statue you think I worship. Graven images are of the devil. If you truly believe that statement, you must have no idea what religion I practice. The image of a dead man who has bled to death, covered in blood and hanging from a device of torture. The image of a virginal woman who gave birth without sex. The device of torture itself. The very blood and skin of Jesus to be eaten and to drink. Human beings portrayed with bird wings and glowing auras, these things are no different than a golden calf or the worship of a cow. These are graven images created by man. They are against God's teachings. Why dont you worship the burning bush? or how about worshipping a large white snake? God performed his miracles through these things, since God has spoken to people from the sky, why dont you worship the sky? How about worshipping a large boat filled with animals? If that's what you were taught to worship you would. But you were taught to specifically worship statues of men and women; idols, because your religion is based from a culture that built its religion around the ideal of worshipping statues of vanity and power. To tremble at their feet from their awesome glory of physical perfection and live in fear of their anger, an ideal that is completely against everything God is. an actual debate in the debate forum - TheBiggah - 18th December 2005 lazyfatbum Wrote:I've read 13 different versions of the bible (old and new testament). I have spoken to many priests and rabbis and have sat in many churches and temples. I have read up on hundreds of legitimate studies from all over the world where the information provided in the books of the bible are compared to what we know of actual history. I definitely do not need to hear the rantings of a single-minded Christian. You're welcome to your opinion, however for someone who has obviously studied so much, perhaps actually taking the time to actually understand what it is I believe wouldn't seem so onerous. If you spent that much time studying, why not a little more? Quote:You follow a faith that is iconically portrayed in the bible as the root of evil (Rome and it's ideals). Incorrect. My faith is not a reformed view of Christianity as believed by the Catholics. Quote:The fact that Jesus is a Jew and follows a faith that is thousands of years older than Christianity should be enough to get you to start questioning the things presented to you. You've obviously questioned things that have been stated to you as fact. So have I. Care to actually listen with the open mind you tell me I should have? Quote:The image of a dead man who has bled to death, covered in blood and hanging from a device of torture. The image of a virginal woman who gave birth without sex. The device of torture itself. The very blood and skin of Jesus to be eaten and to drink. Human beings portrayed with bird wings and glowing auras, these things are no different than a golden calf or the worship of a cow. These are graven images created by man. They are against God's teachings. I agree. You'll find no crucifix's in my home or car or even around my neck. You'll find no crosses in, on, or around our churches. We don't pray to saints or the virgin mary, only to God the Father. Pictures of angels with wings, or saints with halos are nowhere to be found in our churches. You say that I need to be more open to ideas, yet you resist even listening to my ideas with an open mind. You claim to have studied the bible, yet you're ignorant of what is taught in the bible as is evidenced in the post I'll quote below, which you completely failed to respond to. You tell me what I believe and worship, yet you have no idea what demonination I even belong to. The hypocrisy is frustratingly obvious. My invitation to point you in the right direction still stands. Do you have the courage to at least take a look at what I'm offering you? Are you willing to broaden your own horizons? -TheBiggah- Quote:You are so wrong on so many different issues, it's sad. an actual debate in the debate forum - lazyfatbum - 19th December 2005 I started writing a reply and then i realized as i was writing it how sorry I feel for you. I'm seriously not trying to be a dick, I see how uncomfortable i've made you. ABF said that you're mormon and I know exactly what mormon's are and I know that I would never fellow Mr. Smith in to anything or any religion created out of the hell of the 1800's (or is it 1900's?). It is a chaotic religion founded by an insane man, such as Scientology and is completely debunked and false. However, it being the nature of religion, you can place faith in anything or anyone. If someone's willing to believe that Jesus is the son of God I guess we can accept Joe Smith as one of God's prophets right? Just dont try to sell me on it, the saints of latter day is up there with snake handeling IMO. I wont be replying to your post because it would solve nothing and I would probably get more stimulation drilling a hole in my head. an actual debate in the debate forum - A Black Falcon - 19th December 2005 They don't call themselves Mormons, but even if I hadn't said that the clues are there (in his posts)... the whole 'new Jerusalem in America' thing, the re-combining of the lost tribes of Israel in the US thing, etc... Oh yes, and I may not exactly believe in the religion (and Biggah's 'my religion is so great' stuff in this post is annoying), but still... I know, as Lazy you must be overly mean when the whim takes you... that doesn't make it right. an actual debate in the debate forum - Great Rumbler - 19th December 2005 I knew there was a reason why I'd been avoiding this thread for the past few days. an actual debate in the debate forum - A Black Falcon - 19th December 2005 Only one reason? an actual debate in the debate forum - Great Rumbler - 19th December 2005 :D an actual debate in the debate forum - Sacred Jellybean - 20th December 2005 There's no better way to celebrate Christmas than to denounce Christianity. :S |