Quote:It looks great for this gen, but crap for next. Can't even touch Unreal 3 tech.

Quote:Incidently, Silicon Knights has the exclusive rights to makes games based on the Unreal 3 engine.

Quote:Yeah.

Quote:Yeah, that looks great for this gen, but next-gen? I'd expect more...

As for SK and the Unreal 3 engine, I heard about that, interesting... I wonder if that says anything about what their next game will be...

Quote:Maybe we'll see some games based on it before the end of the decade.

Quote:All it says is that it should look purdy. Every game company and their uncle is using unreal 3 tech for next-gen.

Quote:The next generation of FPSes are mostly going to be powered by it or Doom 3, so I'm sure we will.

Quote:What about Quake 4?

Quote:Doom 3.

Quote:Okay.

Quote:That's a bit of a misunderstanding. The engines for various 3D computer games, mostly FPS games, but some adventure games too, did in fact use the same original game's engine, but not all, not by a long shot. And no, I don't mean the ones that looked aweful. I mean the ones that actually looked just as good but used a unique engine, simply so they had control over it. Nintendo won't be using the new unreal engine for sure, though games will likely look just as good as it, or better.

Quote:you clearly can't understand

Quote:WHAT DOES THAT MEAN. What's "the same original game"? That post doesn't make any sense within the context of this thread!

OB1 Wrote:Like I said, it's a step up. Just not nearly as big of one as it should be. XBOX 1.5.

Great Rumbler Wrote:They'd better finalize it pretty soon! It goes on the market in 6 months!

Quote:Keep in mind that the gap from XBox to XBox 360 isn't as long as most generational gaps, either. I wouldn't be expecting a leap like that seen in DOA to DOA3..

Quote:I'm curious as to how you're qualifying that. Especially seeing as how the hardware is not even finalized.

Watch Gears of War yet? How about Project Gotham 3? What's your take on those?

Quote:4 year technological gap.

That's irrelevant. We're going from a 700 Ghz cpu, 64 MB of ram, and a GPU capable of pumping out at the most 25 million polygons ----> 3*3.2 Ghz cpu, 512 MB of ram, and a GPU capable of pushing out 500 million polygons with non-trivial shaders. That's a significant increase in power, way more than anything you're seeing right now on PC.

Like I said, people are being way to hasty in their judgement on next gen.

Quote:We're not even getting stuff as good as PS2 FMV.

OB1 Wrote:The current FMV in console games such as Ninja Gaiden or DOAU don't look as different from the real-time stuff as say, the FMV in FFVIII compared to its real-time graphics so that leap is unrealistic. Basically, the next best thing after this generation is the type of stuff scene in FMV like NG and DOA.

Quote:Anything lesser is not good enough to be called "next-gen".

Quote:Lol, I wasn't aware there were terms and conditions. So it's only some FMV you're talking about, eh?

No, I asked you to show me a first generation game from this current batch of consoles to compare to the FMV of the last generation of Playstation games. Because that's essentially what you're doing right now.

Ninja Gaiden and Dead or Alive Ultimate were not launch games.

Quote:Where's that measuring stick?

Quote:FMV technology has not changed at the same consistent level as in-game graphics over the decade.

OB1 Wrote:MGS2 came out four years after MGS1. That's how old the XB will be when the 360 comes out.

And again, I said that next-gen visuals should be able to stand up to FMV from Tecmo's XB games, which the Unreal 3 stuff does. No, the Unreal 3 pics actually surpass that FMV. PD0 looks like Halo 2 in most of the shots and just barely better than HL2 in others. DOA4 looks just a bit better than DOAU. There should be a far greater leap in visuals. What I am saying, what everyone is saying (even the biggest xbots at places like teamxbox), is that so far the XB360 looks more to be an XBox 1.5 than a true next-generation system.

Paco Wrote:Then it might surprise you to know that there are several games that use the Unreal 3 engine on Xbox 360. Gears of War being one of them, and that looks fantastic. Oh, and Unreal Tournament 2007 has also been announced for the 360, in case you didn't know.

Quote:There should be a far greater leap in visuals.

Quote:You can't blame Xbox 360 for Perfect Dark Zero's suckiness, that falls directly on Rare's shoulders.

OB1 Wrote:As soon as they show some gameplay videos of the game running at a smooth framerate, I will become a believer. Your argument is inconsistent. On one hand you say that the PD0 shots look easily as good as Unreal 3... and then you try to excuse them by saying that they're early and that Unreal 3 is coming out for the system. Stick to one argument. You're contradicting yourself.

Quote:I have specifically referred to the character models and animation this whole time.

Paco Wrote:I never contradicted myself and I still stand by everything I said earlier. And don't put words in my mouth; I never said the PD0 shots look as good as the Unreal shots, I have specifically referred to the character models and animation this whole time. How many times have I pointed out that I think they are as impressive as the Unreal character models? Once, twice, perhaps three times now? The PD0 shots as a whole are not nearly as polished as those in the Unreal shots, I don't contest that.

If anything my mentioning that the Unreal 3 engine will be powering some Xbox 360 games supports my arguement that PD0 can look as good, and as I've mentioned already I think the character models do.