Or are you one of those idiots who still actually buys music?
So the questions is it Imoral to download free music off kazaa or morpheous?
My opinion is that the music labels have been robbing the public off with 7 cent cds being sold for 23-30 bucks, When in reality you probaily just want 1-2 songs.
So I have no second thoughts to burning music for my personal use.It sounds good and it just as clear as store bought cds, the good thing is I dont have to leave home and its free, except the blank cds.
The simple fact is the industry was to slow to advance into the information age that now it is being shafted for it.
Yeah people who buy CDs are such morons! How dare they actually support the artists they like! Blasphemy!
I wouldn't buy music anyway if there weren't MP3s... I don't think it'd be worth the money...
There is more music to download on kazaa then you will find in all the music stores in your town combined.
I admit artist need some credit for there work but , their are some artist like Foo fighters and rage agiast the machine who are actually not agaist file sharing and even offer rewards for doing soo, Rage agaist the machine had free downloadable music on their site for a week after napster was shutdown.Out of sympathy for the rebels agaist the evil tyranny of corporate america.
Music downloading has been around for 6 years and it just keeps growing.You can find music you would not be abled to get easily on retail stores normaly.
As far as I am concerned the age of the massive millionaire rocker is over.The industry has lossed the war on Music downloading.
If you think there isn't a difference in quality between MP3s and CDs you're crazy. CDs are of much better quality than ripped MP3s even if you aren't a huge audiophile like me. Personally, I don't steal music at places like Kazaa anymore. I've used it a few times and it just wasn't worth the effort for me. I would either get crappy quality music, or it took me forever to find a good download. I stick with buying CDs and music from places like the Apple Music Store now.
Well some of us don't like paying $12-$20 for a CD, when we only want one or two songs on it. Artists write a good song, then a dozen filler ones. Exceptions are No Doubt-Rock Steady, which I have. 'Sides, some things are just too damn hard or impossible to find in stores...like SNL songs cut right from the show, tv themes, etceteras.
That's why I buy select tracks from online stores as well. If I just want an individual song I'll buy an individual song.
I buy CD's lots, it's just nice to have the actualy CD from the band I like then have all of the songs stolen. It's just not the same from a burnt CD. I do use Kazaa, though, but only for single music. I don't steal songs that are not played on the radio on music stations, because that is not fair to the artist who worked so hard for it.
Muchmusic, the nations primary music video channel, has been running a series of ads lately. It goes, "You need music, and music needs you. Buying music helps make more music" and then it shows a website to go to. Very good ads, I must say.
Some music's alright... I just don't think it'd be worth money to pay for it... mp3s or no.
You know, I have never bought a music CD. Before or after I started downloading MP3s. :)
That's because you're a souless automaton, remember? You don't like music. :p
I never used to listen to music, that is true... just the background music that as on sometimes (like NPR...), or game music in the games. Actually,I didn't even have WinAMP on my computer until the year 2000... in summer 1999 I'd never used a MP3. But two years ago I started getting some MP3s... I didn't bring the MP3 collection over maybe a gig at most until last fall, though. When I expanded it to its now 10 gigabyte size...
Yes, it was nice to get DirectConnect working well. Kazaa? It has more stuff but downloads are so slow... and you actually need to know what you are looking for.
Of course, almost all the music I listen to is videogame soundtracks, classical, and anime soundtracks. :)
Well, I'd say about half of my collection is stuff that is, if possible at all to find, would cost far more time and money than the music is worth.
The other half of it is stuff I already own anyway.
Dmiller, though admittedly I don't really have all that many MP3s, and only lately do I even have a large number as only lately have I had reason to copy most of my CDs to my computer, I must say that I don't hear the slightest difference in quality that you seem to say is obvious. The software I've been using seems to copy the data flawlessly, and indeed, it's JUST data. If all the bits are perfectly copied, it's a physical impossibility for it being in wave form to reduce quality. The question now is if MP3 compression reduces quality. MP3 compression consists of two things. First, all sound outside the range of human hearing is deleted. Unless you are a dog or something you shouldn't be able to tell the difference between a music track before this alteration and one after, at all, ever. The next is simply file compression using an algorythm. I can say after using zip files for some time that compression is always capable of "shrinking" a file with NO data loss at all. Simply compress a large text file, decompress it, and scan for ANY differences (there will be none, unless there was an error, which is VERY rare), and you will see the truth of this. Since data is data, and what it's translated to (text, sound, video) is completely and fully irrelevent, I submit that on the level of scientific fact, your statement that there is a quality difference is completely false. The only time there is a quality difference is if someone messes with those quality options, and purposely records the CD data (it's pure data remember, it's not really seen as "sound") inaccuratly. The next question is if the data is "cleaner" read from CD than read from RAM or HD. The only reason CD is cleaner than tape is because tape is a very dirty medium, magnetically. It's easily corruptible, so cracks will appear. CD eliminates this. HDs today are far better data storage than tape. So is RAM. RAM is in fact the BEST medium for data storage, totally flawless data at all times. Reading from RAM is more error free than CD by FAR.
Fact is, MP3 has the potential to sound BETTER than from CD, though it doesn't because it's generally recorded FROM the CD and thus it's maximum quality will be (WILL be) that of the CD it's read from. Again, the only time an MP3 will be lower quality is if someone records it purposely set at a lower quality, or if some data read error occured and they failed to do a bit for bit comparison to assure accuracy.
Well, the fact is that most people don't seem to rip to MP3s at a decent quality, especially on Kazaa. Lately I've stopped ripping my CDs as MP3s because I generally rip at 192 kbps because when I do that I can't tell the difference between CDs and MP3. However, that takes up a lot of space so lately I've been importing as OOGs or AACs. I'm not really saying that ripping MP3s straight from CD sounds different if you encode at a high quality. However, I find the MP3s you find on Kazaa and the like are usually poorly ripped, which is why I haven't used the service in a while.
MP3s seem to sound just fine (no real difference) to me... though I don't have lots of real CDs to compare them to. :)
I'm not saying MP3s sound bad at all. I'm saying that manytimes the MP3s you get from Kazaa sound bad.
Maybe Ive been lucky but the burned cd I have sounds exactly like my freinds actual cd copy.
I have a pretty good up to date computer with some new programs and a really good burner.
When it comes to movies though , I would prefer renting it or going to the theatre. since copied movies tend to suck and you always hear un expected voices not from the movie.
Well, when you burn a CD it will obviously sound the same because you aren't changing the format of the tracks. It's when you change the CD tracks to MP3s, AACs, etc that there is a difference.
Most of the music I download is music that you can't buy in the stores or would be really hard to find such as music from videogames and animes. But if there's a music CD I want I go out and buy it.
Quote:My opinion is that the music labels have been robbing the public off with 7 cent cds being sold for 23-30 bucks, When in reality you probaily just want 1-2 songs.
You are playing $23-$30 for a single cd? Who's the idiot?
Something interesting, since it seems that you think the only cost to making a cd is the actual disc itself. When artists are writing music, they usually aren't doing anything else for a job. And as I believe they are still human, eating is usually a thing they enjoy or even find neccesary. And don't forget the pesky cost of a house so you don't die when you sleep in the rain. Aside from those sort of things, they need a place to record the music, equipment to record it on, people to do the recording and producing, and so on. Then there are the costs of making the cd and case and all that, which is a bit more than 7 cents. And don't forget advertising. Yes, they do charge too much for these and the record companies make too much money, but the only rich artists are the ones that sell millions- probably not ANY of the ones you listen to.
And even if you still find all that too repulsive to support and think they are rolling in dough, maybe these people deserve to be rich because they actually got off their sorry butts and made something of themselves instead of just complaining that they didn't have enough. They could have complained all day, but instead they practiced and practiced and practiced. If you want it all to be equal, go to communist China and be equally disgustingly poor like everyone else. We have the tremendous opportunity to make a life and do what we want- just because you are too lazy to make good on your opportunity doesn't mean the people who do should be punished. Quit whining. Music is not something you need to survive. If you want the enjoyment than pay the price.
Oh, one more thing. If you really only want 1 or 2 songs, then listen to the radio. That's obviously where you heard the songs, and you seem to only care about what is popular. If the artists you guys listen to are only capable of making 1 good song ever 3 years, then maybe you need to find some better bands to listen to. I don't tolerate that anymore. If the entire cd is not equally good, I'm pretty upset. Everytime I buy a cd for just one or two songs, I find that I actually like the whole thing. I bought Brave Saint Saturns first cd for one song I liked, and found that the whole cd is just as good. Now I am a big fan. I bought Relient K's first cd for 2 songs that I actually already legally owned from samplers, and found that the songs I had already heard, though good, are not anywhere near the best songs on that cd. You are depriving yourself of most of the good music if you only care about the one song the fickle, record-label-owned radio stations like.
Laser Link the champion of anti-piracy comes through again. I don't really have anything to add, except that there are online music services where you can legally buy single songs. The best of which is the iTunes Music Stores, but that won't be available for PCs until later this year.
Just upping my post count here, but I do understand that there is a lot of music that truthfully can't be found legally. I have over 5 GBs of videogame music that would be impossible to actually go out and buy, even if I did happen to live in Japan. In that case I can certainly see going to Kazaa. I just don't like the people who fill up their harddrives with music that can easily be bought in stores or online.
I don't like Kazaa. You see, I generally don't know what I'm looking for when I go to download something. That's why I love Directconnect so much... you can easily browse the other people in whichever hubs you are ins shared directory trees and queue what you want to download... sure the selection in each hub isn't as good as it is in Kazaa, but since there are so many hubs out there you'll probably find what you want... or at least I've found stuff good enough. :)
Oh, and for me too most of my MP3s are either stuff you can't buy in this country without importing it, or stuff you can buy that I just wouldn't, or own some of anyway, or other things... like classical. Sure I have way more than our family owns on CDs but we do have a bunch of classical CDs... as for videogame music do they sell ANY of those instrumental game soundtracks in this country? How about anime soundtracks? Sure you can probably get them somehow... but it'd cost so much! No way would it be worth it...
Now if I liked Rock, or whatever it'd be harder to justify... but less so with my taste in music. Sure a lot of it its for sale. Oh well.
Oh, and the fact I'm completely broke and will be for quite some time has a big influence too. And when I do have money... I'd rather spend $20 on a used game than on a CD, by far. Or for saving for books, a CD burner, or a bigger harddrive...
I use WINMX, and I can hardly ever get a good connection...it'll find a thousand hits on what I look for, but only twenty will be downloadable. Maybe it's just my 56k modem, though.
I was just going to say you are probably burning those MP3s all wrong, but then you pointed out quite clearly that you aren't the one burning them, so that would explain it quite well. My list shall never equal that of lazy or Weltaii, but it gets the job done. All I really wanted to do was be able to play all my songs on a single machine in a playlist anyway, which while it was time consuming, was enough for me. I've also heard Kazaa and the like are spyware.
LL is indeed correct.
Kazaa is spyware.
Kazaalite (there are various versions of it but all are similar) isn't... and other filesharing programs such as DC and DC++ aren't either.
I heard recently kazaa is the most downloaded program in computer history even ahead of win 95.
Of course it's downloaded more than Windows 95. How many people download an entire OS? I saw that story too and they were comparing it to ICQ, which is now the second most downloaded program at download.com.
They bassically meant Kazaa has far surpassed the amount of people who upgraded to Win95 when it was released.Though Kazaa is free .
Anyone who actually likes music will want their collection to consist of as many legal, store-bought CDs (or, y'know, records...) as possible. The "screw the record industry, I burn all my music and haven't bought anything since Bill Clinton was in office!"-people are, for the most part, ignorant kids who will mature in time. Eventually, they'll come to understand that, for all of their talk of $30 CDs and record executives who use 100-dollar bills as toilet paper, music really isn't that expensive if you're looking in the right places.
That being said, downloading before buying is a wise move if you don't want to be stuck with that disc containing only one or two good tracks. (Yes, Beck, I'm looking at you. "Lonesome Tears" did not make Sea Change a worthwhile purchase.)
100 dollars bills as toilet papper!
LOL!
I got buy me one of those.
I still buy music , but heck why leave my house when I can simpily get it in 2 mins off my computer. Did I mention the F word?
Its "free"!
Quote:Originally posted by alien space marine
I still buy music , but heck why leave my house when I can simpily get it in 2 mins off my computer.
Well I've heard about something that actually lets you buy CDs
without leaving your computer. I know, I know. You don't believe me. But there's a whole bunch of these places on the internet, apparently. Someone told me about one... Amazo? Amozin? Something like that. It sounded neat!
Quote:Did I mention the F word?
Its "free"!
If you don't care enough to pay a few bucks to help ensure that that particular artist keeps making more records and doesn't end up working at McDonalds to support themselves, you probably don't actually like the music that much. Or you have no moral sense at all. Whatever.
This is actually an issue that I'm quite conservative about. Considering I want to end up in the video game industry, an industry that might get Kazaa'd in the future, I'm against the copying and sharing of copyrighted material. I do download songs, but they're all from OverClocked Remix.
I think the argument that record execs are ripping the public off is understandable, but childish. Has anyone heard of, "Two wrongs don't make a right?" Most of these people have stolen back far more than their share of music.
There are a lot of things that don't immediately make sense. Why does a baseball player get paid millions of dollars to play a game? Why do movie stars get paid millions of dollars to play pretend? Why do bands get paid millions of dollars to play music? All while a fireman makes less than 100,000 dollars. Weltaii, championer of capitalism, should know the answer. In a capitalistic society, things only cost as much as people will pay for them. Producers are willing to pay over a millions of dollars for Vin Diesel because he can dru up buzz for a film. Baseball players get payed millions of dollars because people with money are willing to send that money to see the baseball players. And right now, the value of music in the online community is $0.
If you're saying that people who buy a CD are overpaying for a 7 cent disc, then it's not much of a logical jump to say that gamers are overpaying for a $1 game disc. I hope that we are not so foolish to come to that conclusion.
I am agiast Pirated games , for one thing Burned games now share cd keys with a half dozen people who if only one had hacked once ,all 100 people will be baned.
People who play burned games usally dont have any concideration for the ones that paid for it.
I laugh when a person complains about being baned becuase sombody uses the same cd key since he was burned off.
But comparing games to music is like comparing a monster truck to a mini, there a hole different beast.
I dont play Burned games , Just the same as I dont hack on battle.net.
I do buy music , Avril Lavigne , Smashing pumpkins and U2.
Your right the music I download is music from a band I dont have much interest in to invest 30 $ bucks in for one or two songs.
So Kazaa Conviently appears to grant me this favour.
I dont have any U2 downloaded music since I own all their cds and albums anyways.
Turth is I hate going through pile of cds so atleast my computer is faster to use and easier to keep track of.
So the only Cds I own are either of the few bands I support or burned ones for my car.
As for these pay sites, Some are pretty cheap but also pointless since Kazaa has a much larger libary and is "free"!
So you're not willing to pay just a little money per song to legally own the music? I know most of the PC music sites aren't that good yet, but I'd recommend you check out the iTunes Music Store when it's released for PC later this year.