After playing Melee for so long, I went back to play a few rounds of the original SSB. Aside from the novelty of fighting in Dream Land and Kongo Jungle, it was not a great game. It was at the time, but if they release this to Melee fans, they may be disappointed. Look back at the original SSB, dust off your cartirdge if you have it, and you'll see just how much Melee changed for the better.
No Smash Attacks, awful sound effects, very poorly rendered characters, sprites galore for items, and flat MIDI music. I think it would be cool to have a GBA SSB, but I think rather than a sraight port, they should try, if they have room on the cart, add a couple features to make it a bit more visually pleasing and add Smash Attacks.
Eden Master, the original Super Smash Bros. does too have smash attacks. Maybe you just didn't do them correctly. CHARGED smash attacks are missing though, where you hold the button. Just hit direction plus A at the SAME TIME (just like a Melee smash attack) and boom, super powered move. However, indeed Melee is the superior game in every way, and thus there isn't really a reason to go back to the first for anything but nostalgia.
Kirby 64 was fun, but my personal fave is still Kirby Super Star. That game had so many different moves that even without combinations it was still more than Crystal Shards (I think so anyway). It also had a whole lot of modes of play, from the classic level by level play of the first two "games", to the massive singular world of the Great Cave Offensive (with lots of collecting of items), to the timed rush game with Meta Knight, and finally the Megaman-esqu Star one where you picked the order of the levels and kept all the powers you got (only via statues in this one) and could use them whenever via a menu. It was great fun!
Plus, how could someone not like Kirby? He's probably the most powerful video game character ever. I mean, just look at how he can casually cleave his home planet in two, or destroy everything on the screen in a single explosion of raw energy. And he can tear off bits of himself (not graphic at all, he's made of some weird pink stuff like chewed up bubble gum or something) and toss them at the enemy, and eat the enemy and absorb their strength into himself (changing form, except in 64, where they SHOULD have given him the standard hat changes, but didn't), and he can turn his opponents into candy with one of his abilities, and eat them up. Then he can instantly regenrate himself after any attack, or if he happens to loose that piece of himself he threw as a blade. He also has the awesome power of the crystal, with which he managed to kill what was most likely some sort of fallen angel, with exploding stars as weapons it had!
I never cared for the GB Kirby games enough to buy them.
I love the Kirby Games and despite popular opinion Kirby's Air Ride sounds to me like Super Monkey Ball on crack so imma all essited an heppi :D:D:D:D:D~~~
"Charged smash attacks" are called Meteor Attacks. And SSB:M makes it's N64 relative look retarded. But before SSB:M replaced it, it was pure gold. :D
Charged Smash Attacks are just smash attacks where you kept holding A to hold more power.
Meteor Attacks are attacks that send the opponent straight down. An example would be Young Link's Downward thrust. It's not a smash attack, but it is meteor, if you can manage to do it right. Actually, even the original had meteor attacks. Just not as many, and not every character had them (unbalanced!).
Then there's power sheilding, shielding RIGHT when the enemy makes contact with the shield. Getting the timing perfected on THAT takes a while :D.
I perfectly agree that the original WAS pure gold, the entire reason we were looking forward so much to Melee was because of the original, but now that Melee is out, and totally outclasses it even more so than Perfect Dark's outclassing of Goldeneye, I just don't even see myself ever dusting off the original.
Meteor attacks are not just attacks which send oppenents downwards, Meteor attacks are attacks which will KO the opponent and leave them very little chance of recovery. Perfect example is Ganondorfs downward aerial attack, where he thrusts down on enemies with both legs. If not above the stage, you'll send them flying down and KO them, that's a meteor. If they're standing on the ground, they'll fly straight up, that's also a meteor. Also, if you grab an opponent with Fox on the very very edge of a stage, and do your downward throw, that's a Smash Attack too.
Good lord, I know so much about Melee it isn't even funny.
*crowns self Melee God*
I got the 'no smash attacks' bonus in pretty much every game of SSB I ever played... but regularly do smashes in SSB:M. However, SSB:M made throws so much harder and weaker... I loved SSB's strong throws!
"standard hat changes"? Huh? What DO you mean there? There are no 'standard' transformations for Kirby... its different in every game...
Oh, and the Cutter was so lame in Kirby 64! He threw part of himself... kinda cool. But you couldn't fly with it out! Ack! I liked Kirby 2's 'cutter' weapon (quite different, it was just a boomerang weapon) better...
As for OB1 your nonsensical hatred for the GB is well known. *ignores further stupid comments*
You're an idiot. Just because I don't love the GB Kirby games doesn't mean that I hate the system. It was just Nintendo's poorest console in terms of good games. If you deny that then you're completely delusional.
First, the Virtual Boy is a system.:)
Second, I'd say that the race between GB and GBC is very, very close... GBC has a bunch of great games, but the original GB just has MORE... of both the good and bad game categories. :)
Oh, and KIrby 2 on GB is easily on par with any NES or SNES platformer, and is better than most of them.
None of the Kirby games come anywhere close to any of the Mario games. I can't believe you just suggested that.
On the contrary, if we look at just GB, Kirby 2 is better than Mario Land, Mario Land 2, Wario Land, or Wario Land 2. or Kirby 1... actually Kirby 2 is my favorite platformer on the GB... or GBC. No question. Wario Land is probably second...
And when compared to contemporary games on other consoles, it more than holds its ground. Kirby's Adventure on NES, for instance, is in the same class as the NES Marios in the best games on the system list. I'd probably say the same for Super Star and Kirby 3 on SNES but haven't played them as much.
I don't see how you can dislike Kirby... its easily one of Nintendo's best serieses. Not as good as Mario or Zelda, but better than most, for sure...
Oh, and the offshoot games are fun too. Kirby's Pinball Land is still fun to play once in a while... it was the first non-platformer Kirby game, and probably is still the best one. IMO, anyway. :) Kirby's Block Ball was a solid breakout game. Tilt n Tumble was a unique and fun game too... And on SNES I'd say Kirby's Dream Course is quite fun...
Of those four offshoot games the only flaws I can think of are howe Block Balland Tiltntumble are far too easy. But the series is quite easy as a whole... very fun, but easy. The problem is most give some more challenging task... in Tilt n Tumble, that more challenging task was pretty easy... and in Block Ball it did take a while for some levels, but that game wasn't quite as good as other Kirby games. Its a good breakout game... but not a great one. Oh well... at least it was unique, with the paddles on multiple sides of the screen. :)
The 2D Kirby games on the NES and Gameboy were fun, but Kirby 64 was just better and more fun, IMO.
I don't count the Mario Land games, ABF. Those were crappy compared to the home console Marios.
Funny... I found them very fun games. Probably not as good as most of the major-console Mario games, but very high quality games in their own right...
You see, that's just it. I've always compared the original Gameboy games to NES games, which is why I don't like them nearly as much as you do. It wasn't until the GBA (and to a much lesser extent, the GBC) came out that Nintendo's (and other third-parties') handheld games matched their console brethren in terms of gameplay quality.
Sure the NES games are better.
But the GB games are not so much worse that they could be called bad by any scale in existance. They are just a bit worse... and mostly not because of game quality, which is just about the same... really I'd say only their short length really hurts...
Except Wario Land 2 and 3 which just had a bad idea as their gameplay basis.
You know, ABF, "great" and "bad" aren't actually the only two degrees of quality. In between bad and great are degrees like good, okay, so-so, and swell. So when I say that the original Gameboy games weren't as good as the game on the NES, it doesn't mean that they're bad.
Oh yeah, I forgot to reply to this:
OB1/ Yeah, I saw/played Klonoa 2 in Toys R Us once, and I didn't find it all too impressive (graphics-wise). 2.5d just looks goofy... it even looked kinda weird in Ecco the Dolphin: Defender of the Future (for DC).
It's okay for silly games, like Klonoa 2 or SSB:Melee, but it makes a game less immersive. That's why I didn't want to see a 2.5d Metroid for the 'Cube, back when we were all having the 2D/3D debate.
2.5D is great! I don't understand why anyone would not like it.
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2.5D is great! I don't understand why anyone would not like it.
See?!? You don't understand how ANYONE could POSSIBLY think anything different than what you think, and if they "dare" to think anything different, THEY are the one who has to be wrong.
Nevermind that it is a possibility that you are wrong about something. Nevermind the possibility that differing opinions aren't illegal. Nevermind that people may not be as 'cultured' as a student weatherman...
You aren't always right. Your stubbornness does always make you annoying though. :)
My God, you are such a troll. Is your life that sad and pathetic that you have to come to message boards and attempt (poorly so, I might add) to bug certain members? Get a life, boy.
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Get a life, boy.
HA! How is it that I only have 75(last time I checked) posts while you have 12659 and then <I>I'm</I> the one with no life? HILARIOUS!!!
Beisides, you forget that I'm older than you are -- boy.
He is right, though... but I don't see how 3d-graphics 2d games are any different from 2d-graphics 2d games...
Ah, of course. And you have a wife and a kid. I'm sure of that.
I seriously doubt you're over twelve years old, but if you are then that's very side. You are extremely immature.
I have so many posts because I've been posting here for over three years. I'm actually very busy with work and school, but it doesn't take more than ten minutes a day to post here.
Seriously though, get a life. The only reason you come here is to troll. Nobody likes trolls.
Quote:Originally posted by A Black Falcon
He is right, though... but I don't see how 3d-graphics 2d games are any different from 2d-graphics 2d games...
Right about what? I don't understand how Beanjo could dislike 2.5D games because he didn't tell me
why he doesn't like them. It's pure curiosity. He just said "it looks goofy". I'd just like for him to elaborate some more.
Yes, that would be nice... I see nothing strange about them...
Cartoon Devil is the funniest person in the world.
OB1: I NEED MORE ATTENTION THAN AN UNDERAGE RAPE VICTIM
ABF: I KNOW, LET ME GIVE YOU SOME. I HAVE ALL THE INTELLIGENCE AND CHARISMA OF A CHEW TOY FOR TEETHING INFANTS
OB1: THANK YOU NOW LET ME FIND SOME POSSIBLE WAY TO MAKE A NEGATIVE COMMENT OUT OF WHAT YOU SAID
ABF: AND WHILE YOU DO THAT I'LL MAKE A VAGUE REFFERENCE TO A JOKE THAT MAKES NO SENSE AND THEN TRY TO BELITTLE YOU WITH MY OWN SHORTCOMINGS
OB1: I AGREE AND/OR DONT UNDERSTAND SO I AM LEAVING THE THREAD TO FIND MORE POSSIBLE ARGUMENTS
ABF: OKAY I WILL NOW ARGUE WITH MYSELF AND USE DOTS ALOT TO MAKE MY LAST STATEMENT MORE DRAMATIC....................................
OB1: "YOU'RE AN IDIOT." ™
ABF: PERHAPS......... THOUGH I AM ALSO MORE IGNORANT..... LIKE A FOX...........
OB1: ..........
ABF: ..........
OBI: I dont like the new Oreos, they look more like crackers as opposed to cookies. They're setting people up for disappointment, not that I would care.
ABF: Yeah, I wouldn't care either........
*And somewhere, an angel cries*
Funny as always, lazy. You're just to witty.
GR:
lazy: PENIS LICK! YOU LICK PENIS COCK!!! TGI FRIDAYS PENIS!!! LICK MEEEEEEEEE!
*makes up something about some Nintendo product that's completely false*
DJ: Ah, I'm pretty sure that's not true.
lazy: But it is! Penis! It is true that the SD card adapter will let you transform your Gamecube into an X-Box because we did that at our school and it was so cool and we ran Half-Life 2 on the Gamecube at 120 frames per second! Eat my cock! In split-screen mode, nonetheless! BTW Battletanx was my idea. But only the non-shitty parts. Lick my penis! The only way people will pay attention to me is if I say penis every ten seconds! Penis!
ahahhahaa and the best part is that it's all true
I think I hurt someone's feelings :D
Edit: Penis.
Only in your mind, lazy. :ass:
:wave:
Quote:You know, ABF, "great" and "bad" aren't actually the only two degrees of quality. In between bad and great are degrees like good, okay, so-so, and swell. So when I say that the original Gameboy games weren't as good as the game on the NES, it doesn't mean that they're bad.
This somehow implies "badness" to me... and I couldn't disagree more.
Quote:I don't count the Mario Land games, ABF. Those were crappy compared to the home console Marios.
Its statements like that that make my statement that you hate the gameboy pretty obviously true.
Oh, and Lazy... somewhat funny, but not true. :)
*sigh*
You've got some serious comprehension problems, ABF. "Not as good" means bad to you? What's wrong with you?
And yes, the GB Mario games are crappy compared to the home console Mario games. They're not bad games by any means, but compared to their big brothers they suck.
I don't get it... you deny it then say the same thing again. Do you read? I mean... I say I DO NOT THINK THAT THEY ARE SIGNIFICANTLY WORSE IN ANY WAY" then you say
Quote:And yes, the GB Mario games are crappy compared to the home console Mario games. They're not bad games by any means, but compared to their big brothers they suck.
and try to say I didn't understand you.
Are you replying to my posts? Because you don't make any damn sense.
It's all relative, ABF. Look it up and you'll figure out what this whole "compared to" talk is all about.
Compared to the NES/SNES games the GB games are pretty good. Not as good, but pretty good.
Compared to them? No way.
Why? The only things I can think of are the lack of color (not really an issue) and the fact that they are admittedly easier.
*in Kirk's voice*
It's the gameplay, Falcon! The gameplay!
What about it? Its exactly the same!
*backs away slowly*
You must not have played any of the regular Mario games if you think they play the same as the Gameboy ones.
You know I have... I've played all of them (and the three NES ones and World on their actual platform). And sure there are slight differences, but nothing big... it plays like Mario -- run, jump, get powerups... where are these massive differences you seem to see?
If that's what makes a game exactly like a Mario game then I guess Sonic and every other platformer ever made is exactly like Mario.
You just aren't making any sense...
I think I'll throw in my opinion for no other reason than becuase I can.
My opinion is that Mario 1-3 and Super Mario were better, in just about everyway, than the Mario games on the Gameboy. However, that is not to say the Mario games on the Gameboy were bad, that just seemed to lack something that made the console Mario games awesome.
And because of this "thing" the GB mario games are about as close to being Mario games as the Sonic games are?
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And because of this "thing" the GB mario games are about as close to being Mario games as the Sonic games are?
I wouldn't go that far, but I had much more fun playing the console Mario games than of the ones on the Gameboy.
Well that's what OB1 said.
Oh brother. When ABF doesn't get something he really doesn't get it. Completely lost.
Well how about you give one reason the GB games are so much worse? I haven't seen one yet.