Tendo City

I haven't played it, but that game looks like just about the most boring thing ever...

It's pretty incredible, the ultimate sandbox basically. There's no direction but what you determine to do and an insane amount of crafting depth.

If you don't mind the fact that almost all of the actual gameplay is mind-numbingly tedious resource collection in a game with intentionally not very good graphics?'

I mean sure, creating things is fun, but it sure doesn't look like it would be at all in a structure with a gigantic mountain of boring tedium and crafting on top of anything actually interesting.

... Oh yeah, and I don't like crafting very much in MMOs.

Yeah, but those videos don't really show you the ridiculous amounts of boring tedium needed to build that stuff... (the second video sort of does, but not entirely I think) they do show off the intentionally bad graphics, though, and the fact that the game has absolutely no point beyond building things. There's no story, no actual content, nothing, just grinding materials, crafting, and (slowly) building things.

People like Minecraft for the same reason they like Garry's Mod: the ability to tool around and see what happens.

And it does have combat.

ABF, you're the only one I know who starts threads about games they DON'T like purely to be argumentative about them to people who do :D

Combat, exploration, creation, construction, etc. It offers so much. The game is created and in ongoing development by one dude. It's allowed to have meager graphics, and in fact, thy work fine for what it needs to convey and gives it a certain charm (see: Cubivore). Indie developers can get away with that, and most of them prove a game does not need state-of-the-art graphics to make it in this world, so stop using that as a flimsy excuse. You of all people, our resident connoisseur of vintage games, should understand that.

You never played with Lego's as a kid, did you, ABF? You don't see the appeal of being able to look out upon something you designed and worked on.

This is my roller coaster, but you can see a glimpse of my home though it as well:
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The exploration is the other key aspect. You are dropped in a completely randomized world, and the more you explore the more world it makes for you. Diving into a new pitch-black cave is an exciting experience. You're not going because you want more iron or are hoping to find some elusive diamond, you're doing it to see what's down there and explore it (and hopefully not die trying).

But, in the end, the game has proven polarizing. People who get it, love it, and people who don't, don't.

I can barely watch a minute or two of gameplay without getting bored out of my mind, I think that's plenty of grounds to make a thread based on...

Quote:ABF, you're the only one I know who starts threads about games they DON'T like purely to be argumentative about them to people who do

You don't use the internet much, do you...

Quote:You never played with Lego's as a kid, did you, ABF? You don't see the appeal of being able to look out upon something you designed and worked on.

Can you not see my avatar or something? Confused

But no, this is not like legos. You don't have to grind materials for hours and hours on end and do endless stupid boring crafting to put lego blocks together, you just need to put the blocks together. The graphics are a lot better, too, that hideously blocky pixel look does NOT look very good, sorry.

Plus, legos came with building instructions, too. I liked building the sets the boxes were supposed to make just as much as making my own things. And you get an actual physical product, which is different from something just in a computer...

But really, the building part might be fun... if it wasn't buried under so much ridiculously boring unfun tedium. I have absolutely no interest in grinding for hours and hours so I can just make blocks, that sounds like the opposite of fun...

As for the combat, it looks pretty bad too.

Quote:You don't use the internet much, do you...

I do in fact, but I mainly prefer the company of more mature individuals.

Quote:But no, this is not like legos. You don't have to grind materials for hours and hours on end and do endless stupid boring crafting to put lego blocks together, you just need to put the blocks together. The graphics are a lot better, too, that hideously blocky pixel look does NOT look very good, sorry.

Plus, legos came with building instructions, too. I liked building the sets the boxes were supposed to make just as much as making my own things. And you get an actual physical product, which is different from something just in a computer...

But really, the building part might be fun... if it wasn't buried under so much ridiculously boring unfun tedium. I have absolutely no interest in grinding for hours and hours so I can just make blocks, that sounds like the opposite of fun...

You never had to search through a pile of hundreds of Legos to find the perfect piece for what you're building? Your description of "grinding for hours and hours to make blocks" shows how little you understand the game, thus rendering your arguments invalid. As I said in my last post that you glossed over, the main hook of the game is exploration and building. I can only remember a couple times I've had to grind, and that was taking about, oh, 5 or 10 minutes to chop down some trees to get wood for my rollercoaster. Other than that, most of what you need you find or get incidentally while exploring. I started out with a cave in a rock wall just big enough to fit my stuff in, but as I branched out and explored and found better building materials, I slowly upgraded.

The entire fact that you think the game is 99% crafting blocks makes me facepalm in your general direction.

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I think we have different definitions of the word "grind"... like, would you say that the Final Fantasy games are grind-heavy? Because I definitely would.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cX3KmGzohE

Oh yeah, that looks like fun. Rolleyes

I find this thread deeply ironic.

How so?

Come on, you know why.

What, because of my Lego avatar? I mean, I've said many times that I prefer a more linear experience to a giant open sandbox, overall, and that I like games to actually have a point and a way to win, preferably... there are some good games without that, sure, like the SimCity games, but that's a different kind of game from this. It's not that I want a completely railed experience in games, but I do not enjoy wandering around aimlessly lost.

This game though, above everything else I've said, it's got no point. There's nothing to do but craft, build something, and then show it to others who play the game.

Quote:You never had to search through a pile of hundreds of Legos to find the perfect piece for what you're building?

Of course, but when you bought a Lego set you got all the needed pieces right in the box. As for building our own stuff, my buildings rarely got beyond just a single brick high foundation outline of the house, or store, or whatever, with contents inside; I never built full-sized buildings, it'd take too long and require far too many bricks. With the castle legos (always my favorite!) it is a little easier to build something higher because of the larger wall and tower pieces, but still, while I did build some of my own castles at some points, I later on took apart most of that in favor of trying to rebuild most of the original sets, which is how they've been for a good ten years now. I could never come up with anything anywhere near as good as the real sets anyway.

Oh, and another thing I always liked doing with the castle legos was having battles with them, I had all the different factions allied into different alliances, the different types of troops ranked by how good I thought that kind of unit was (weapons, armor, etc.), and more. That kind of thing is some of the most fun I had with Legos, I think, aside from building the sets. I've still got pages of paper I drew maps of the Lego kingdoms' territories on, or prospective ways to turn it into a game (Cohort/Fighting For Rome inspired combat), stuff like that... :)

You really didn't play Minecraft much at all, did you?

Stop being so obtuse and actually say something... it's annoying.

He hasn't played it at all, GR. He's simply passing blind judgement down from his ivory tower.

You know, I'll sympathize with you a bit ABF. My girlfriend was the one who got into it first and tried to get me into it. Listening to it and watching things didn't do much for me, but when I finally tried it on her machine and actually got to play it, I went home and bought it immediately. Sometimes you just need to give something a chance before you know whether you'll like it or not.

A Black Falcon Wrote:Stop being so obtuse and actually say something... it's annoying.

Alright, I'll make it easy:

-You make several posts about how you find it incomprehensible that anyone couldn't think that Guild Wars is God's gift to man, and then make a little joke about how I haven't played it enough.

-You make a thread wondering how anyone could possibly like Minecraft, even though you haven't played it.

There. Irony.

Great Rumbler Wrote:You really didn't play Minecraft much at all, did you?

Considering that you need to pay to play the main game and there's no way I'd pay for it from what I've seen of it, what do you think? All you can do for free is the "build infinitely" mode, but I just don't find this kind of thing very interesting.

Also this.

A Black Falcon Wrote:Of course, but when you bought a Lego set you got all the needed pieces right in the box. As for building our own stuff, my buildings rarely got beyond just a single brick high foundation outline of the house, or store, or whatever, with contents inside; I never built full-sized buildings, it'd take too long and require far too many bricks. With the castle legos (always my favorite!) it is a little easier to build something higher because of the larger wall and tower pieces, but still, while I did build some of my own castles at some points, I later on took apart most of that in favor of trying to rebuild most of the original sets, which is how they've been for a good ten years now. I could never come up with anything anywhere near as good as the real sets anyway.

Building stuff can be fun, but I wanted to do more than just that with my legos...

I mean, we built the town, sure, of buildings one brick high (only much higher if they were prebuilt sets, or one building which we made two story via some pillars supporting a second level), but then you play with it, have the people in the town have adventures, make stuff happen, etc...

Oh yeah...

Quote:You never had to search through a pile of hundreds of Legos to find the perfect piece for what you're building?

We had one store in the mall building where I put a bunch of small parts that you often need but can be a pain to find in a giant bucket, seemed like a handy way to keep track of them and was consistent with the idea of it being a town, too. :)

Quote:Oh, and another thing I always liked doing with the castle legos was having battles with them, I had all the different factions allied into different alliances, the different types of troops ranked by how good I thought that kind of unit was (weapons, armor, etc.), and more. That kind of thing is some of the most fun I had with Legos, I think, aside from building the sets. I've still got pages of paper I drew maps of the Lego kingdoms' territories on, or prospective ways to turn it into a game (Cohort/Fighting For Rome inspired combat), stuff like that...

Minecraft doesn't do these things. Different genre.

Quote:but then you play with it, have the people in the town have adventures, make stuff happen, etc...

Which is basically what Minecraft is all about.

Also, I noticed that you asked me to explain and then, when I explained, you ignored. Okay. Lol

Great Rumbler Wrote:Which is basically what Minecraft is all about.

Also, I noticed that you asked me to explain and then, when I explained, you ignored. Okay.

How have you not figured out how he operates yet?

:stick:

Great Rumbler Wrote:Which is basically what Minecraft is all about.

So you can raise armies and fight other people, strategy game style? Somehow I think not...

Quote:Also, I noticed that you asked me to explain and then, when I explained, you ignored. Okay.

I actually wrote that response before you did that reply, I just didn't post it until quite a while later, and at that point I decided to not add to it but just post it as is.

Quote:Alright, I'll make it easy:

-You make several posts about how you find it incomprehensible that anyone couldn't think that Guild Wars is God's gift to man, and then make a little joke about how I haven't played it enough.

-You make a thread wondering how anyone could possibly like Minecraft, even though you haven't played it.

There. Irony.

Huh, no, didn't think of that. The best thing I can think of is that that would of course vary from game to game, I don't need to play a football game to know I'd dislike it, as I dislike the sport in general... but sure, of course until you play something you can't say 100% for certain whether you'd like it or not.

Minecraft is about building your own world and then playing around in it. If you think that's fun, then you'll like Minecraft; if you don't, then you won't. Simple as that.

Mess around in the free version for a couple hours:

Chasm into the abyss:

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Entrance to moat:

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My castle:

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View from tallest tower:

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So am I the only person rocking Minecraft? Game's awesome, can't get enough of it.

I'd rather play Minesweeper.

Great Rumbler Wrote:So am I the only person rocking Minecraft? Game's awesome, can't get enough of it.

Goodness no, I've been playing for months. Not continuously of course, I'm in a bit of a lull now, but the other community I'm active in has recently been clamped tightly in it's jaws, so I've been spending time on their server on occassion.

We recently decided to start a new map, which means all the stuff we'd built was going to disappear, so we blew it all up. (I'm Carpe over there)

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Come to the madoshi.net server, EM.

I'll PM you the coordinates of my frontier base [on the frontier to keep it from being griefed]. You can help me put a dirt dome over it or something.

The game's got built in chat support? That's pretty neat.

Dark Jaguar Wrote:The game's got built in chat support? That's pretty neat.

Actually no, I can see how the video would make that misleading. We use Teamspeak to talk while we play, that's what you're hearing. The game only supports text chat.

Get on that server, EM! I need some help building stuffs!

That was creepy..

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