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^The immigration bill isn't based on racism. When are people on the left going to get that? You go live in Arizona and see what you think of the murders and kidnappings that occur there on a daily basis.

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Unreadphilosophy Wrote:^The immigration bill isn't based on racism. When are people on the left going to get that? You go live in Arizona and see what you think of the murders and kidnappings that occur there on a daily basis.

Yeah, the fact that the guy who wrote the law's twitter account was signed up to two white supremacist hate group feeds means nothing (he's not racist at ALL! Must just be a complete coincidence! Yeah... NO.), and so does the fact that Arizona just passed another law that bans schools in the state from teaching ethnic studies. What could that be but racist? Nothing, there's no reason to pass such a law other than because of racism. It's utterly despicable.

I think it's fantastic that there is a backlash to these laws, and that boycotts of travel and such to Arizona are spreading. I hope that we see more of that.


(Referring to the ethnic studies ban, from the article linked above)

Quote:The bill was pushed by state school Superintendent Tom Horne, who has spent two years trying to get Tucson schools to drop a Mexican-American studies program he said teaches Latino students they are an oppressed minority.

Um, I think your passing this law proves that to them...

A Black Falcon Wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/05/12/a...index.html

More anti-Hispanic racism from Arizona. Very sad.

Yes indeed, this is really, really bad and blatantly racist. What the hell is going on down in Arizona? Now they don't want their children to even learn about Hispanic culture, which has made hugely significant contributions to Arizona's culture overall? It's criminal, and it completely denies the experiences of a huge part of the population who are systematically discriminated and hated against. Any ethnic studies course will necessarily have to include the ways in which the group in question has been prejudiced, because that's a simple fact of life of being a minority group in a predominantly white society. It doesn't teach the "overthrow" of the government (which is laughable in its paranoia, but perhaps in Arizona that wouldn't be such a bad thing to teach) and it's not designed to cater to only one particular race or group, as any student can take an ethnic studies course. It's as much a part of American history as the Tea Party and the Founding Fathers and the Constitution and Virginia Dare and all that other propaganda bullshit that's a standard part of the school curriculum. Michael Eric Dyson makes it pretty clear why the bill is racist in the link you sent, and I don't think I've ever seen such a hilarious intellectual mis-match on TV before. It's too bad Horne is likely to be in a position of significant power in that state pretty soon, though! How can the same state that elects people like Horne, Governor Brewer, an increasingly racist legislature (and not to mention total fucking whack-jobs like Joe Arpaio) also elect highly respected, competent, and admirable politicians like John McCain? Pretty soon Arizona is going to have official laughing-stock status, if it doesn't already.

Quote:The bill was pushed by state school Superintendent Tom Horne, who has spent two years trying to get Tucson schools to drop a Mexican-American studies program he said teaches Latino students they are an oppressed minority.

Wow, I wonder why Latinos would ever think that! Thankfully, they don't need schools to tell them that they're being oppressed, as apparently simply being in Arizona is all you need to figure out that little nugget of information.

Quote:How can the same state that elects people like Horne, Governor Brewer, an increasingly racist legislature (and not to mention total fucking whack-jobs like Joe Arpaio) also elect highly respected, competent, and admirable politicians like John McCain?

I don't know if we should expect McCain to last too much longer, in today's Arizona...

Q: Who treats illegal immigrants far worse than Arizona?

A: Mexico.

Mexican officials mug their illegals, assault them, store them in concentration camps and imprison them for years. And most of them are just passing through.

WHY DOES THIS SOUND SO IRONIC TO ME

True, it is hypocritical of them to complain so much about our immigration laws when their own laws are so much harsher. They've got a much better case in their complaints about how easy it is to buy guns here, and how Mexican drug gangs get most of their guns, legally, in the US from sellers who ask no questions and don't have to check anything... we really, really need better gun-control laws, and it's tragic how in the past 15 years or so gun control has become a "can't-touch" issue. So many thousands of people are dying because of that, it's horrible.

It's also true that the organized crime groups in Mexico are slowly gaining a foothold in America, and that's extremely worrying. The trick is finding ways to do something about that that don't interfere in the rights of those who are legally here.

As to limiting ethnic courses, that's thorny. Part of it is that I naturally am inclined towards better grounding in science, and away from secondary things like "the arts" and so on. To that end, I'm always sickened whenever I see a school with a pithy cheap "computer class" that's just a single room with extremely outdated machines running DOS (they STILL have those here), and then find out just how expensive their gym is. Priorities, people. No one will EVER care how well you did in the "big school game" the moment you get out. They may care if you can use modern computer programs though.

Now learning about social studies is more important than other things, yes. However, the real question is exactly where the money they intend to save on culling this is going to go. If it's a matter of paying for better science labs in the schools, I can support it grudgingly as a necessity. If it's a matter of simply removing it as even an elective to put some sort of "pressure" on ethnic groups (which it does seem to be in this case) and no further funding is aimed at better science, it's certainly a terrible thing.

^The problem with social studies classes is that you're getting a bias, subjective view of history. If had known about the books that I'm reading now, I would've wanted social studies to be optional. I've learned more by reading authors like Tom Woods than I have from my high school history classes.

I don't if any of you know this, but to fight the Federal Government's unconstitutional lawsuit against Arizona, states were able to amass a whooping $500,000 for the state's right to uphold the tenth amendment. Still, I don't know why Arizona isn't just declaring states rights and nullifying the lawsuit. James Madison and Thomas Jefferson didn't write the Kentucky and Virgina Resolutions for nothing.