Dark Jaguar Wrote:I hated that ending. "Humans have a HEART, that makes us better than you stupid robots, who don't have hearts!"
This is coming from the guy who, as I recall last I saw him (missed T3), was CRYING OVER A ROBOT THAT LEARNED THE VALUE OF LIFE AND SACRIFICED ITSELF FOR HUMANITY!
Exactly. This is a poorly written film and after watching the review up there I realized he has hitting sarcasm pretty well with "I dunno, it felt like they had to re-write the ending because it tested badly" and so I googled some info, turns out that's exactly what happened. They were re-writing scenes ON SET.
ON SET.
DURING THE FILMING OF THE MOVIE FUCK SHIT
It's okay though, as far as i'm concerned the events after T2 are all entirely up for grabs once the research center is destroyed. You could make 5 different versions of T3 or T4 and all of them would be equally correct.
My idea would have been so breakneck kick ass... it would have ended the story, but it would be awesome.
First, we let the audience in the whole time line problem.
T1 original timeline = John knows that when the Terminator is sent back in time that he still exists, John is fine. So the Terminator must have failed because John exists. Sarah, a young, beautiful woman got married and knocked up by Daddy X (Not Reese) and everything happened as planned. But how did that make John in to the savior? Oh yes, how indeed. What sparked the need to send Reese? John's Mother was killed at some point after she gave birth. Now, in the future, John finds a way to save his mother and sends Reese back to protect her. He knows this will alter time... John is a smart motherfucker. John probably has access to computers where he can direct these events in to cohesive battle strategies. Sending Reese, sparks several changes:
- Reese is now John's dad
- The Endo arm and chip left behind jumpstart the series of events that lead to the war, causing the war to erupt in 2012. Keep in mind, had John or Skynet never interfered with time, John and Skynet would still exist. This is because of the ideal that once a time machine is invented, even if its theory (that works) is put in to motion, all of the events that would have been altered by that time machine over the period of its existance *already happened* at the moment the time machine is first switched on.
- Reese gave info to Conner from the future which she will give to her son to tell Reese in the future and blah blah, John is planting a seed (quite literally)
T2 original timeline -> In the future, the war still happens, it HAS TO happen. If it doesn't, nothing will exist. A T-1000 is sent back to kill 13 year old John. Skynet knows the T-800 failed and has absolutely no regard for time paradox, it just wants John dead (why is killing him so important? Read on!). John, though, still lives after it's sent, so in the future, John knows the T-1000 fails. Yet he sends a T-800 back, why? Because again, in this time line his mother was killed. So in the future, John is living a life where his mom died when he was 13 at the hands of a T-1000 and hid like a frightened baby. He sends back a re-programed T-800. Come with me if you want to live, his purpose was not only to protect John but to save Sarah's life.
Shit hits the fan because:
- Terminator tells Sarah that Cyberdyne creates Skynet. Because in HIS time, Cyberdyne is the company that used the tech found in the arm and the chip from T1. But had that Terminator NOT been sent, Skynet would STILL be active in the future which means Skynet is built by either Cyberdyne or a different company, or the military, but either way it still happens. In THIS timeline, its from Cyberdyne. So Sarah, of course, seeks to destroy it all. BUT, and this is a huge but, John (IN THE FUTURE) knows that his mother's actions will have no impact and the war will still happen, but he WANTED Sarah to destroy Cyberdyne so the ORIGINAL company creates Skynet and gets that anomaly back on track. Why would John do this?
- The T-1000's influence in the time line was nothing, other than killing John's mom. Nothing from the T-1000 was found or preserved or studied so other than some security cam shots it didn't influence the flow and guidance of technology or Skynet other than the FBI and police looking for the human that was the T-1000 because John lives. so the T-1000 was either destroyed by John or by the military or John simply outran it. John knows this in the future - He is basically completely unafraid of anything the T-1000 does and instead is using it as a precursor for his plans. What are his plans? This is where it gets slap forehead awesome.
T3 - Hoo boy. Now John is watching from the future and seeing himself grow, he has strengthened his identity. He maintained his mother's life so she can die when she's supposed to in order to finish John's training and all of the important information that John needs in the future (information, I might add, is from the future, that's important).
Now in T3, we learn that an older John is killed by a T-850. His wife reprograms the Terminator and uses it to do what? 'Protect John from the TX."? Nope. The wife knows that the TX will fail because John lived a long life after the TX was sent. Wife will keep that from happening by sending the T-850 back to tell John that he will be killed by a T-850 (the same one he's looking at) and alter that timeline. This will secure John's place and give him new info to again alter the timeline even further and all of it... was designed by John.
In the original timeline, Sarah gave birth to John and lived a normal life. Judgment Day happened, nuclear winter, all of it. And John was a perfectly normal, weak man. He hid, he cowered, he had nothing and was nothing. He was a face among the masses of survivors. This John witnessed his mother's death shortly after his birth as Sarah in the original time line was killed by a T-800 who, after killing her, thought he had fulfilled his duty and went to go sit in a cave somewhere.
This John, with no leadership skills, no military training, no previous knowledge of the war, Cyberdyne, the military, Skynet, anything... found his way in to Skynet's time machine where he made the decision to undo the events of the past in the most brilliant stroke of genius ever conceived to take down the Juggernaut of Skynet. With his ideas and the capabilities of a time machine, he grows confident in his plans. He knows he will survive, but he is going to build himself over again, he is going to undo and redo an entire lifetime of events to remold himself and the entire series of events leading up to his current state. His first plan of action is to send back Reese to 1984, after that interaction John gauranteed himself strength. Now instead of being a weak man, he is a trained man, a better man. His mom died when he was 13 he recalls now. So again, that can be fixed and sends back a T-800 to protect his mother and carry new information for Sarah and young John.
Cybderdyne was never to blame, it simply stumbled on tech that boosted our knowledge base sooner than later. But it had to be undone, so it went back to the military. This is important to preserve the future and to keep things on track and now we get to why Skynet hates John so very, very much.
John's wife sends back the T-850 so the future where he's killed never happens. Instead, John sends a soldier back, again. But this time when Skynet detects the time machine being used, it destroys the time machine because it figures out that all paradox has been crushed and nothing it does will change the fact that John is here, today, as the now superman he is, successfully raised with incredible training and knowledge of future events carefully plotted out.
The soldier he sends infiltrates the US military, not to shut down Skynet or destroy the branch of military, remember: The war must happen, Judgment Day must happen. But what he will do is quite simply work there and add a virtually undetectable smudge on Skynet's programing. By doing this, John leads his men in to Skynet, relying on that broken strand of programing to shut it down entirely and become the savior of man kind. No broken time anomalies, no destructive paradoxical issues. The war ends almost as soon as it starts and though there is nuclear fallout and years of rebuilding a head, there is hope. In the last moments of the film, John stands at the massgraveyards, the tombstones in front of him reading Kyle Reese and Sarah Conner. His wife slowly takes him by the hand, his young daughter takes his other hand and John whispers "Thank you" to his mother and father, before picking up his daughter and embracing his wife to tell them that it's finally over.
Man has overcome the machine.
Fucking eat my shit from my asshole McG you faggot.