Tendo City

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/12/08/wii-gu...ent-discs/

And it's still like shoving a camel through the eye of a needle to get it to work. Apparently they are needing to work with Nintendo to manage to get this to work. Well, it has to start somewhere. At least once they are done, the results will be there for other companies to take advantage of, such as Nintendo. Of course my guess is the solution will be a menu they have to code inside the game itself to go to the company's own servers to get the content, which means it's own seperate payment system...

Nintendo is not making it easy for other companies to do all this. MS has it down to automatic software upgrades when you turn on a game (apparently Sony does too). Nintendo just has a lot of work to do to catch up.

Hopefully they'll come up with something that involves putting stuff on SD cards so the small internal memory won't get even more full... for downloadable content at least, not necessarily patches if those are small enough.

That makes me wonder something. Are they going to patch the game over the Wii connection to get this feature in, or will they need to send these updated disks to everyone? That's really not something a lot of companies are going to want to do.

I wonder this because you remember that game killing Twilight Princess glitch right? The "can't go any further in the game because of the cannon" thing? They didn't patch it over Wii Connect, they had everyone send in their old disks and they just replaced them. I had to wait some time before I was able to finish Zelda due to that... Considering how much easier it would have been to do it over the internet connection, for BOTH sides, and cheaper for Nintendo, they definitely have motivation to do things that way.

BEFORE YOU CAN SAY WHAT ABOUT THOSE WHO LACK INTERNET, they could STILL send the updated disks to THOSE people, but it would still save them a lot more money to provide an online patch because that's less people they need to print updated disks and mail to. There, I try to anticipate flawed arguments before they are made.

So what we're left with is the very likely scenario that the Wii's current OS simply isn't set up to patch games, and current games simply aren't set up to BE patched.

Nintendo is on top of the market right now, and they say they learned their lesson about ego from the last time they were deposed, but unless they take a lot of effort to win over both 3rd party developers and customers who love a good online experience, they risk losing it all again... Let's not forget MS and Sony are a mere software update away from being able to use the Wii remote in their own games and there's nothing in copyright law to stop them. It's only a matter of one or the other thinking of it first.

Nintendo has stayed afloat only from the sheer quality of their own games in the last two generations (their games are good enough they can pretty much count on me buying their systems even if they are the only ones making good games for it), they really don't want to have to do that again. Nintendo, don't immitate the WRONG parts of Apple's strategy.

Quote:Let's not forget MS and Sony are a mere software update away from being able to use the Wii remote in their own games and there's nothing in copyright law to stop them. It's only a matter of one or the other thinking of it first.

That's a completely ridiculous statement, and you know it.

Great Rumbler Wrote:That's a completely ridiculous statement, and you know it.

How the hell is the WiiMote even supposed to connect to the 360 or PS3 anyway?

It's like trying to turn on your computer with your cars clicker, simply because your computer may have an antenna doesnt mean that the hardware would know what to hell to do with the signal.

Wireless NIC's rely very little on there drivers to function, 802.11b/g/a, WEP, WPA, and WPA2, are all powered by the NIC's hardware, not driver. WiiMotes function on a wireless protocol that would have to be deciphered and is proprietary to Nintendo.

And.... In the one in a billion chance that Microsoft or Sony could even figure out how the protocol works, and how the hardware handles packets, and what frequency the damn thing even runs on. There's still no way for the xbox's wifi like system (which is not really wifi), and the Sony's blue tooth systems, (which are completely dissimilar) to be driver modded in a fashion to even connect to a Wiimote.

*Stupid Explosion*

*takes crazy pills, feels slightly better*
.....Mery christmas DJ.... hope your folks are well.....looks around....

*backs slowly out of thred*

You can use a Wiimote with a PC. Why couldn't you with a PS3 or X360? I hadn't thought of that, but that's an interesting point... maybe it's impossible, but it's an interesting point. :)

Actually they don't use their own proprietary software setup.

It's blutooth. I know it's a little weird considering how Nintendo usually goes straight proprietary but they are using an existing standard. Now that doesn't mean that everything's naked in the breeze, there's still interpreting what parts of the signal mean what, but the signal itself? Easy enough to find and recieve and send back to.

As ABF said, they already have fully functional Wii controller drivers on PC. Unofficial, but they are there.

http://carl.kenner.googlepages.com/glovepie_download

One thing I hadn't thought of though. The PS3 uses blutooth, but I think the 360 does in fact use a proprietary format and doesn't support bluetooth at all... They'd have to use a USB adapter :D.

GR, with that said, what about what I said is ridiculous? I don't "know it". Explain it to me.

It ridiculous because no PS3 or Xbox360 games are designed to work with the Wiimote. Any games developed after this "software update" would split the market between people that have a Wiimote and people that don't, forcing many to go out and buy additional controllers to take advantage of this. Then you have to convince developers that its in their best interest to try to shoehorn in motion-sensing controls into games that were being developed with an entirely different control scheme in mind, delaying development of those games by months. Then they will have to decide if new games should be designed with the Xbox360 controller, Wii controller, or both in mind. All the while they'll have to dodge legal suits from Nintendo, and if you think their won't be any you're crazy.

Shoehorned controls are terrible, just look at the Wii's current library. Good shoehorned controls, which are quite rare, take months of time, just look at Twilight Princess. And even games developed with motion sensing in mind can easily turn out terrible and cause the developer to lose millions, just look at Lair.

It won't work and it won't happen.

Well clearly it would be limited in when it's used.

First point, well there's plenty of games that require seperate controllers to work. Rock Band, for example. Not EVERY game needs extra controls. You don't say "we have this guitar controller so let's make everyone support it". No, it would be an option so that developers who have good ideas for it COULD use it. Bam, two down and I'm not even breaking a sweat. As for lawsuits, let me ask you something. What possible ground could Nintendo stand on? People make custom drivers for things all the time, sometimes at a loss to the company. Nintendo would be a fool to attempt to legally strike out when it has no case. Sure big companies can pretty much shut down a little guy by suing them so often they run out of money for a defense, but this is MS and Sony we're talking about here, that isn't going to happen.

So since I handled even the most long winded of your arguments with a few short words, I have to ask, what's the problem?

*brain explodes*

GR, you've got to admit he's right, as unlikely as it may be. :)

(so what do they do to replace the sensor bar, though? You've got to use something to replicate it.)

Quote:As for lawsuits, let me ask you something. What possible ground could Nintendo stand on? People make custom drivers for things all the time, sometimes at a loss to the company. Nintendo would be a fool to attempt to legally strike out when it has no case. Sure big companies can pretty much shut down a little guy by suing them so often they run out of money for a defense, but this is MS and Sony we're talking about here, that isn't going to happen.

Nintendo might try to find something, as unlikely as actually finding any such grounds may be... somebody releasing a PS3 game that uses the Wiimote? I don't think Nintendo would just ignore that... :)

ABF just pretty much destroyed that idea. Yeah, no sensor bar and that thing is designed to be plugged into the Wii itself, not a wall. Never mind. I really doubt either company would just release a sensor bar addon without going the rest of the way and making their own version of the remote itself, and all things considered, THAT would actually potentially violate Nintendo held patents. Yeah, sure there are unofficial solutions, but that's one step further than what could be considered "easy" to the average consumer.

Nintendo wouldn't just ignore it, that's for sure, but there's nothing they could do.

No, you just need some kind of USB or normal power outlet sensor bar or something. It's the same with the PC wiimote thing, you need to come up with something to replicate the sensor bar for that too. It's not insurmountable, but an issue.

But yes, you're probably right that it's enough of an issue to dissuade anyone from seriously thinking about the idea. Extra hardware required... yeah, that's not the best idea. Even so, it IS possible, given that the sensor bar is just some sources for the wiimote to pick up, not anything really special.

In fact a couple of candles will substitute easily for a sensor bar. Nothing complex about it. Just two infrared LEDs the Wii remote cameras pick up, and so anything that emits infrared (that is, anything, but it would need to be at least a little stronger than background objects) would do.

The wirelessbar works great too, so says the cool kids with their pill popping and the hurting.

did you see that video of the dude who made the gloves from Minority Report using a wiimote and reflective tape? I hope Nintendo saw it. Oh and he had this big array of LEDs that looked like a KORG 1987 MIDI display and well, the wiimote needed to have this cardboard cut out so that the light didn't interfere and yeah, it was complicated, fine.

Fuck you.

*only skimmed a few lines in the post above me and has no idea what anyone is talking about*



..............anyone notice that they're called 'Camel" and not "Camels"?

A.) I have a pack of Camels
B.) I have a pack of Camel

The one that's actually correct is grammatically incorrect and sounds horrible. What are you smoking? "camels" who's going to say "Camel"? Yet the cigarettes are named Camel and not 'Camels' even though it makes much more sense and is it Camel Wide Lights? No, it's Camel WIDES Lights. Wides Lights? haha? Who writes that? It's engrish for god's sake, flied lice, wides lights. That doesn't make any god damn sense. I'm gonna make a brand of cigarettes called Lammas.. Llamas whatever, i cant get go look up lamma I just like the double M's. And that's another thing.... if you only have one M&M left, isn't it just an 'M'?

Yeah that's nuts. Mine's easy to say. "I smoke ball point pens".

That's funny because Bic makes pens and lighters.

But not cigarettes.

It's like inverted irony.

oh and Minority Report gloves for Wii

Believe!!!!!!

You can pluralize cigarette brand names... Marlboros, Winstons, Chesterfields, Newports, Lucky Strikes... it all works. No one says "Marlboro cigarettes", "Winston cigarettes", etc, so you can do the same with Camels. Someone call the angry grammarian (columnist) about this one.

BTW, Camels suck and you need a better taste in death sticks, go buy some Black Death rolling tobacco and bitch about how you can't say "Black Deaths", you pansy.



"I like'em and I am going to smoke'em." The first time I smoked one, even with a filter, I felt nauseous and light-headed half-way through. Now that's a man's cigarette.

By the way, I quit smoking, so if the "I'll quit if you quit" thing is still on, then go flush'em.

Some words are weird, like how the plural of "Moose" is "Moose"... :)

Quote:In fact a couple of candles will substitute easily for a sensor bar. Nothing complex about it. Just two infrared LEDs the Wii remote cameras pick up, and so anything that emits infrared (that is, anything, but it would need to be at least a little stronger than background objects) would do.

Yup. But as I said, that'd still require some kind of additional hardware to work, which would make such support extremely unlikely.

(now PC stuff, particularly freeware games and stuff... that has more promise, I'd imagine)

i'll try them if I can find em. im pretty good with rolling papers because i can make the end you light look like a dragon or a bird... and its not that i'm angry at the grammer its just weird, like an unwriten rule that you pronounce cigarettes brand names in plural. but it works in other brands too

Nike shoes = "Where are my Nike's?" why not just call them Nikes? I mean we dont say 'I cant play my Nintendo's" but oh.... there's TWO shoes! and there's 20 smokes in a pack, so we automatically assume it's plural! oh shit, I figured it out.... and I feel more stupid for it. That is awesome.

in 24 hours i'm gonna be in holland meeting my girl who left me a year ago and you want me to quit smoking now?

ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR FUCKING MIND? THERE'S A NICOTENE LOSENGE IN MY MOUTH ***WHILE I'M SMOKING*** BECAUSE OF MY BRAIN EXPLODING AND YOU WANT ME TO QUIT?? I WILL RE-ENACT EACH SAW MOVIE ON YOUR FACE