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1. Get Burnout 3 for the Xbox.

2. Rip the Main Theme from Superman I to your Xbox.

3. Have fun.

1. Steal Underpants.

2.

3. PROFIT.

I don't...I don't even understand what that means.

I think you are missing step 2 there...

That's the joke. One of the only ones I can remember from when I used to watch South Park.

It's nice to know that everyone is keeping on-topic for once!

And WHAT a topic! Tell me, about how much commentary on some song you like playing during Burnout did you expect from us? :D

Games should be played with the music they come with... though I'll admit, based on Burnout 1 and 2, while the games are good, the soundtracks are somewhat dull.

EdenMaster Wrote:That's the joke. One of the only ones I can remember from when I used to watch South Park.

I remember that bit, one of the underpants gnomes crawled up Cartmans leg and departed down the other with his underpants.

You mailed the fission!

Quote:Games should be played with the music they come with...

What a stupid thing to say. Besides, the Burnout soundtracks are mainly just whatever licensed pop they could scrape together for a few thousand dollars. No big loss there if I toss in some OCRemixes and some Superman OST.

Quote:What a stupid thing to say. Besides, the Burnout soundtracks are mainly just whatever licensed pop they could scrape together for a few thousand dollars. No big loss there if I toss in some OCRemixes and some Superman OST.

Stupid? Wha... how in the world is listening to a game's music while playing that game 'stupid'? It's hard to think of anything less stupid, really... playing a game while listening to something else isn't right. :(

Perhaps I could make an exception for purely licensed soundtracks, but most games aren't like that... playing a game while listening to something else (especially if it isn't just licensed music) is just wrong. About the only game I can think of that I regularly have played with other music and not the game's own soundtrack is Llamatron, and that was because on my older computers turning on the sound made the game more likely to crash...

Quote:Stupid? Wha... how in the world is listening to a game's music while playing that game 'stupid'? It's hard to think of anything less stupid, really... playing a game while listening to something else isn't right.

If the music in the game is bad, which in Burnout 3 it's just really lame songs that I have no intention of listening to more than I have to, I'll absolutely replace it with something else that's good if I have the chance to do so. It just happens that of the games I own only about .1% actually have bad music and are on a system that supports custom soundtracks. Why should I force myself to listen to bad music if I have an alternative?

Quote:Stupid? Wha... how in the world is listening to a game's music while playing that game 'stupid'? It's hard to think of anything less stupid, really... playing a game while listening to something else isn't right. :(

Okay, now THAT was god damn stupid. It doesn't take a great leap of faith to conclude that not all games have good soundtracks. Some have phenomenal ones - Silent Hill, Banjo-Kazooie, Jet Force Gemini, Body Harvest, etc. But some have terrible ones - the Tony Hawk Pro Skaters (if not for sound quality then for lame songs), and apparently Burnout 3 has awful pop music as well. Maybe in the future we'll get dating sims with My Chemical Romance blaring as the emosapien protagonist slumps his girly hair down in the rain after you fail the game when your girlfriend decides that dating you has helped her realize her homosexuality.

So, if a game has bad music, why subject yourself to it? I'll bet you also use paper towels to wipe.

The game was made to be played with the music it came with, and it just seems wrong to me to use something else... it's not the way it was meant to be.

As for licensed music... hmm, I don't think I own that many games with licensed music, or at least licensed music I dislike... virtually all SNES, Genesis, Sega CD (it's like a console with CD-quality sound, but chip music styles of music production... great stuff. :) Not that I don't like chip music too, I definitely do...), GB, GBC, GBA, N64, and DS games, and most Gamecube games, use their own music, not licensed stuff. Not sure about the PSX, but I think that was mostly original too (though not all I'm sure). Same for most all of my PC games. There are some exceptions among the games I own -- the Wipeout games and Extreme-G 3 and XGRA have liscensed music, but it's great, quite fitting techno stuff. SSX3 has licensed music, but it was mostly good. Burnout 1 and 2 (for GC, obviously the only two in the series I have)... I don't know what their soundtracks are. I found them boring... not bad, but more just kind of quiet and irrelevant. They're there, but aren't anything special... still though, I'd never listen to something else instead over them.

I just don't buy sports games or extreme sports titles, and those are some of the main genres with licensed music. I do buy racing games sometimes, and newer racing games often do license their music, which is probably why most of the games I can think of that I own with potential licensed music are racing games... SSX3 (half extreme sports I know, but it's also racing), XG, Wipeout, Burnout, maybe some others... still though, most of the racing games I own don't do that. I'm sure newer Need for Speed games license their music, but the ones I have -- NFS 1 and NFSHS -- don't, I believe. Other than Wipeout 64, I can't think of any N64 games I own with licensed soundtracks. Etc.

Really though, I like videogame soundtracks. Right now, for instance, I'm listening to the midi soundtrack of Quest for Glory 3... :) There's a reason that most of the music (mp3s) on my harddrive are the soundtracks of all of my computer and video games with burnable or copyable music on their discs... I like listening to it.

Quote:Maybe in the future we'll get dating sims with My Chemical Romance blaring as the emosapien protagonist slumps his girly hair down in the rain after you fail the game when your girlfriend decides that dating you has helped her realize her homosexuality.

What in the world does this have to do with anything? I know nothing about that band, of course, but whatever it is exactly that you mean, I doubt that I agree. :)

ABF, Burnout 3 happens to be one of the few original XBox games designed to use custom soundtracks. In other words, it was "meant to be played" with whatever's on the disk.

I see your argument, I like a "pure" experience too, but Oblivion helped me get over that. I've replaced pretty much every single texture in that entire game with super high resolution more detailed versions (thanks to a person named Qarl, or something like that), and I just can never go back. The game just looks so much better, and also Natural Environments and a billion other visual tweaks that make the game just look way way better than it originally did, and the game started out looking pretty amazing anyway.

Nothing wrong with altering a game to your liking if you find a problem.

Ah, if it was designed for it, that's somewhat different then... makes it more understandable why you would use your own music.

As for modding though, I think that the kind of mods you reference are somewhat different. Instead of replacing something that the game was designed for with something completely different, texture-resolution-improvement mods take what the game already has and try to make it better, like the fanmade bugfixing and text-improvement patches for the Baldur's Gate engine games. That's not the same as taking out part of the game and putting something else in there instead, I'd say. Mods that add things to the game, without removing anything important, fall into that category too, I think, though they are of course going farther. As for ones that completely change things in the game into something else, I wouldn't want to use those the first time though a game, I'd expect.

And also, of course, the modding is encouraged by the devs and they provide the tools for it...

"My Chemical Romance" is an awful emo pop-band. I was making fun of the music genre while again illustrating a situation where the background music of a game would be stomach-turning. Bad music should not be tolerated. It doesn't matter if it's the producer's intentions to have you listen to it. In actuality, you're doing them a favor by putting on better music, as it enhances the game-playing experience, which they want, be it for money or pride.

Man, this thread has some bizarre opinions flying around in it.

Only one.

ABF, I'm with you on "first time through, do it the way the developers intended". After that, then I add all sorts of tweaks like "lock bash" which allows me to use brute force to break open locks using strength stat and lock difficulty to determine how hard it is ("requires the key" locks are unbreakable). I also love this other Oblivion mod that keeps the guards from having psychic powers, as in instantly knowing that someone is bieng killed in their basement from a mile away. With this mod, they only know if they are within the range of the guy's scream when someone says "stop thief" or whatever. Mind you, they can still run for help but there's a speed of transfering information and if no one sees a murder, they don't know who did it. However, I would like to see a complicated mod that adds detectives going all Sherlock Holmes to compliment it, so if you murder someone, they start analyzing dirt on the guy's shoes or the shape of the weapon imprint to figure out who done it (flag the victim with whatever weapon did it and then if I still have it equipped, I get questioned by guards, and if I talked to anyone on the way there, nearby, they start interviewing people and then looking for all the characters that interacted with the one they talked to during the time of the crime, that sort of thing).

Quote:Man, this thread has some bizarre opinions flying around in it.

Why can't you just say what you mean and write an actual post that explains what you are trying to say...

Dark Jaguar Wrote:However, I would like to see a complicated mod that adds detectives going all Sherlock Holmes to compliment it, so if you murder someone, they start analyzing dirt on the guy's shoes or the shape of the weapon imprint to figure out who done it (flag the victim with whatever weapon did it and then if I still have it equipped, I get questioned by guards, and if I talked to anyone on the way there, nearby, they start interviewing people and then looking for all the characters that interacted with the one they talked to during the time of the crime, that sort of thing).

CSI: Tamriel?

A Black Falcon Wrote:Why can't you just say what you mean and write an actual post that explains what you are trying to say...

Your view on custom soundtracks doesn't make any sense, especially coupled with your opinion on mods. They're the same thing, exactly the same thing. In both cases you're altering the original game to include something that the developers didn't intend. Whether it's replacing bad textures with better ones or bad music with good music.

Responding to EM: I watched a few episodes of that show and I have never seen a more bitter group of humans in a show as I see in that one. Everyone's wearing their hearts on their sleeves and get overly offended by the audasity of, for example, someone else working on a crime or something. Seriously, HORRIBLE characters in that series, and the only thing making up for it is interesting mysteries. It's like this Jerry Brochenhammer guy doesn't know how to make a good character story so he basically just has everyone backbiting each other and taking offense all the time, and if he wants to be clever, use sophomoric "philosophy" that anyone can see through to pretend to be deep (like the pseudo psychoanalysis they all try to do on each other, with no basis for their conclusions I might add, flying in the face of otherwise scientific proceedings they go through). Aside from that, minor quibbles on the scientific accuracy, like the reality of lie detectors being basically useless, or one experiment that wasn't properly blinded for control of bias, but nothing major, just things only a dork like me would bother pointing out. Seriously though, terrible characters in that show.

But yeah, something like that, only using only what would reasonably be known about crime scenes in this fantasy world (in other words, more like Sherlock Holmes, where a handshake tells me that woman is a gardener, based on the wear and tear on her hands and the grime in her fingernails). I figure if for realism's sake the game gets made easier, for realism's sake it can be made harder for those evil types as well.

Great Rumbler Wrote:Your view on custom soundtracks doesn't make any sense, especially coupled with your opinion on mods. They're the same thing, exactly the same thing. In both cases you're altering the original game to include something that the developers didn't intend. Whether it's replacing bad textures with better ones or bad music with good music.

In his defense it seems he'd have no problem with higher quality sound files of the same songs.

However, some games just have truly aweful music, namely EVERY sports or racing game (F-Zero and Mario Kart and a number of Mario sports games come to my mind as exceptions). If the music is just plain bad, I have no qualms about replacing it despite what the developer had in mind.

Speaking of, I hope Lumines 3 allows a custom level creation utility that lets me make my own areas with custom backgrounds, "blocks", sounds,
timings" and most importantly the main song. It has something sorta like that in 2, but it is a little disappointing because it's just a midi song creation tool instead of allowing one to load an mp3 off the memory stick. At the very least, that last part is a must. Seriously, there's bad and then there's "Hollebak Girl". I guess Hollebak is some town or something, at any rate at least I can stack a custom playlist of songs and avoid the terrible ones.

It's hard to believe what I read on here sometimes. What the fuck does it matter whether you're listening to the game's music or your own soundtracks?

Personal taste Paco, some people prefer different music.

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