Tendo City

http://imdb.com/title/tt0438488/

Although they haven't released the details yet , Some theorize that John Connor is going to have sex with Kyle Reese Mom ,Within time Kyle Reese will grow and be sent back in time to Shag Sarah Connor and in the process make John Connor his own self inbred Grand father.

I think T4 will follow the other films practice of aging Connor as the years go by , T1 Connor was a Zygote, T2 he was a young boy , T3 he was a young man, Albeit In T4 he will probably be older man which gives the possibility of a different actor then nick Stahl or Edward furlong. Who should be the older John Connor?

Or the next Terminator menace

They are all dead. They keep adding all these loopholes to come up with reasons why the time alteration didn't work. Whatever. How about "let's face this technology head on by allowing it to become sentient but guiding it's development ourselves"? You know, something more mature than just "technology is evil, let's kill it all".

In my opinion, since we're talking about time machines mind you, Skynett still became sentient and done destroyed the planet. So I say we make an interesting loophole, as long as John Conner exists, Skynett will destroy earth and unleash hell. Only if Conner is killed do we actually have unwritten futures where one possible future of a Skynettless world can exist. So, Conner himself realizing this, goes back in time himself through one of skynett's machines and goes after Sarah Conner DURING her time with Reese and the Terminator.

Snap.

Maybe sky net is like the homicidal computer in 2001 space odyssey.

Its not evil or good merely sky nets perceptions decisions makings are off balance, Instead of viewing itself as a computer program defending a country of people, merely its logic was reversed in perceiving people as a threat to its main objective viewing itself as the real focus of self preservation in error instead of national defense it became self defense, It gained a sense of self.

That or its like Vger in star trek the motion picture were it started simple with a few programs and route drives and got so complex in time it became as sentient as us. *learning computer*

They should stop making these movies.

lazyfatbum Wrote:In my opinion, since we're talking about time machines mind you, Skynett still became sentient and done destroyed the planet. So I say we make an interesting loophole, as long as John Conner exists, Skynett will destroy earth and unleash hell. Only if Conner is killed do we actually have unwritten futures where one possible future of a Skynettless world can exist. So, Conner himself realizing this, goes back in time himself through one of skynett's machines and goes after Sarah Conner DURING her time with Reese and the Terminator.

Snap.

I dunno, it seems like that's a bit much, don't you think? Why not just have the guy kill himself in the present? Plus, that sort of twist ending comes off as so... stereotypical.

Wait a minuite... how exactly is this a movie review? Shouldn't it be in Ramble?

As for the Terminator movies, I still haven't gotten around to seeing any of them...

DJ/

I dunno about stereotypical but such is the nature of the beast when dealing with time travel stories. I figure that kind of setup (where John becomes the staplehead figure that grounds the time-line of skynett ruling the world) would allow for a closure of the whole series - John has to stop his own existence from ever forming in order to ensure that there's hope for a skynetless future. So, in full math effect, John knows he must send Reese to start the time line of events that leads up to the machine's taking over in order to interupt that time line. So the movie itself would take place in 1984, John would have to find Reese and Sarah, inform them, and stop the T-800 model and make sure its completely melted down which is what John remembers from T2 (but in this time line, will keep T2 from happening as well).

Skynett (in the future) witnesses the turning of events and sees a possible threat to its existence and pulls no stops in deciding its next course of action: Instead of sending its models used for infiltrating human camps in its present, it sends a small army of its machines using more advanced methods of time travel. Skynett believes that by infiltrating the past not only can it secure its future but bolster its power by taking over the humans in 1984 instead of in 2003.

The end result is that if, in the original terminator Sarah Conner was killed by the Terminator - there's a chance of skynett never being built. By Skynett's own hand, sending the machines to 1984 to kill John and Sarah as well as John's father while starting global domination earlier (before the actual inception of skynett itself being a commander of sorts in the future) it destroys its OWN time line, meaning everything is up in the air and there is no fate, no followed time line and the end result could be anything.

Skynett itself wouldn't be able to put together the paradox because it's simply illogical and non-computing to an entirely math based system grounded in human-perspective thought and design.

The end of the film would have John no longer existing in any time frame, Reese dead and Sarah going back to her life in 1984 with absolutely no idea of her now nonexistent future life with the T-800 fragments no longer in the factory that were used to base off the creation that lead to Skynett even possibly showcasing the black scientist dude with his family as a computer networking guru who'll never get to advance the future techs.

Then, at the very end of the film, it's revealed that Skynett figured it all out at the last second and sent its own programing in to the past, on board a satellite built by the Russians, in 1951 and on May 12th 1951 at 10 AM eastern pacific time began transmitting the blueprints to build a skynett for Russia.

SNAP

You see, the whole "it's math based system can't comprehend our somehow magical brains which are above all that for reasons never explained" never sat well with me, so there's a nonsensical "evil robots" storyline element. I'm pretty sure the computer would handle the nonsensical nature of time travel in these movie series the same way we do. It can't figure it out, so it moves on and just accepts empirical observations for what they are.

Wrapping it up like this is something I guess, but why not just end it?

Anyway, here's what I don't get. Skynet doesn't seem to mind mucking around in the past so long as it exists right? Why stop at individuals? Why not just send copies of itself and a whole army to take over the world in the PAST, meaning technology evolves at a quicker rate and it's future self is even more powerful, so it sends more armies even further back in time, supercharging it's own technological evolution. Why settle for just taking over the PRESENT when you can end the war with a direct assault on inferior time periods?

Sit down DJ, you dont get a star today.

The only reason Skynett exists at all is because of the series of events that landed the CPU and arm of the model T-800 in to the hands of the black scientist dude in T2. His design of Skynett and the military drones was entirely based on the idea of CPU's being able to handle trillions upon trillions of code, the best he could come up with was a design of the microchip that was around half the power but took up the size of a desk. That CPU core is what Skynett is based on after it was purchased in early 2000. If Skynet sent back armies to earlier times, the series of events that CREATED Skynett wouldn't exist, thus destroying Skynett's ability to exist. Which was the entire plot of what I mentioned above, the exact reason Skynett CANT interfere with timelines before its 'creation time line', hence why you get no star.

And why end the series? It's been a good ride and 3 was decent. I hope to see spinoffs for many a decade. Unless it just gets stupid coughalienvspredatorcough however: Robocop Vs. Terminator?

Use the time line of the machine war future of T2, humans in camps hiding from stealth jumpships and tankguards, they unearth a half-destroyed (think Chrono Trigger) Robocop in what used to be Detroit (throw in some muslim jokes) and try to boot him up to use him to fight the machines and lo and behold, there is massive robot death. Plot? nah, well I dunno, maybe Robocop is malfunctioning and losing his human-side and can only reclaim it by massive robot death, railing kills and catchy one-liners.

And a puppy. There's a puppy in the movie and his name is Vans, like the shoes. And the only one who gets the reference is John Conner who tries to explain the joke to Robocop, and an Emotions Chip is involved at some point and when Robocop uses it he remembers his wife who loved Vans and when a T-1000 kills the puppy while destroying a dog training compound outside of Detroit (now called Detroid, for obvious reasons) Robo goes nuts (and Kurt Russel is mayor of Detroid) makes a bow out of endoskeletons from destroyed T-800's and MASSIVE ROBOT DEATH in a post apocalyptic neo-Americana greeko-roman themed massacre of brilliant film making.

"300 with robots"
4 1/2 stars
250 million opening weekend
Game available for Wii, 360 and DS

I get Lazyfatbum ramblings about John Connor Killing himself,but wouldn't work. Terminator 3 already explained how Skynet was first created and it waist by Cyber dyne systems which made the cybernetic machines the black dude worked in as shown in film 2 they Cyber dyne bots were separate inventions from another defense industry company , John Connor's girl friend's father worked in another alternate project that cyber dyne should have partnered with in developing but because of the intervention in film two it was done by another group at a much slower rate of progress.

T3 explains the universe that created T401 and Cyber dyne infiltration units and sped up human progress to make judgment day happen in 1997 no longer exists because that technology was destroyed by Sarah Connor in the 2nd film , But Sky net still was created at a later date because originally it was Sky nets itself that changed history with the Terminator sent from the future. Some how Sky net must have existed without being made by cyber dyne in a alternate time line which is what's being explored now.

Sky net would command robotic machines made by the military as seen in film 3, So is Sky net abled to design and create new machines on its own , clearly Terminator 2-3 suggested it can upgrade and improve its own inventions, So it would make T101 .

I would love to reply to you ASM but I have absolutely no fucking clue what you said.

Sky net was not made due to the stupid first terminators chip the third film explained it. If thats what you mean by John Connor killing himself to prevent the paradox that starts sky net.

Wasn't it explained in the third movie that the military purchased all the designs from Cyberdyne when they closed shop?

Cyber Dyne still didn't make Sky net they made those robotic drones .
They just had a few rough blueprints and prototypes of the black dudes work which waist all that much. Its possible that Cyber dyne was already working and researching cybernetics long before with other companies but the terminator Chip gave them a sudden leap in innovation.

Arnold the Terminator in number 3 pretty much said "judgment day is inevitable"! now he is a thinking calculating machine and so is sky net , John Connor figures out from what we learn in film three is that no matter what he does he can only delay the creation of the eventual machine takeover, not stop it. If he killed himself and say your theory is true then he would delay judgment day again to a later date until people in the future would inevitably create the death machine like before , Except there would be no John Connor Christ to save them and have assured victory.