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http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3152572

Read that and the entire opinion it links to on that guy's b-log (what does the "b" stand for anyway?).

The three reasons people would mod their system are:
piracy
importing
custom applications
(actually, there's a 4th, backup games in the event the original has been destroyed)

Piracy, no one can really come up with a legitimate reason for why they should be allowed to STEAL something. "I can't afford it but I want it anyway" just isn't a very compelling excuse. "It just isn't being sold any more" is a little more compelling, but look harder. There are used copies. "It's a last gen title that is impossible to find" is more compelling still, but that has nothing to do with modding TODAY'S systems.

Importing I fully agree with, but wow this guy doesn't. His excuse? "We think a lot about what games to release in a region." So? I'm sure you did, and I can understand that, but at the end of the day if you decided not to release the game over here, that's not a national edict. I can still legally obtain the game, and you are STILL getting money from the sale. What's the problem? I seriously can't see his argument. No one suggested they didn't "think about it", it's just that no one CARES. Do you actually expect us to import a Japanese system to compliment it? You say yourself that each system sold is a loss to you, so obviously that would hurt BOTH of us. Your argument seems to be, in it's entirety "we don't want these people here playing that game so they shouldn't be wanting to play that game". Yeesh, you'd think they would actually try to work within the importing community. They might find out that they made a mistake not releasing a game in some territory after all and be able to increase profits. Sorry, that's a stupid reason to say importing is "bad".

Custom software, he actually seems to like the idea of except it has the potential to hurt sales of games they liscense themselves. Saying "and we sell those systems at a loss" is another point.

Alright, but if we want the game, we'll buy it. Getting content FOR FREE isn't breaking our wallets and if we are just plain more INTERESTED in whatever custom games someone might design, what does that tell you about your games? Get over it. It's the risk you take when you go with that business model. Look at it this way, you are still well within your rights to ban all modders from XBox Live. I myself have modded my PSP into a custom designed awesome that can do everything I need it to do, and I wouldn't have it any other way. Sony has nothing to fear because I have yet to play illegal PS1 games on it (and that would be hard anyway due to lack of buttons and one stick, also the massive memory storage issue). I'm still buying Loco Roco though, I can just do that and more now.
Quote:(actually, there's a 4th, backup games in the event the original has been destroyed)

But, as all console manufacturers will tell you, backups aren't necessary. After all, no cartridge or CD has ever gone bad without user maltreatment, right? Erm

... at least that's what Nintendo would like you to believe... legally you certainly should be able to make one backup of something you own, if you use a legal backup method, but console manufacturers would rather pretend that that's invalid and write liscence/service agreements that sound like all backups are always illegal...

Quote:Importing I fully agree with, but wow this guy doesn't. His excuse? "We think a lot about what games to release in a region." So? I'm sure you did, and I can understand that, but at the end of the day if you decided not to release the game over here, that's not a national edict. I can still legally obtain the game, and you are STILL getting money from the sale. What's the problem? I seriously can't see his argument. No one suggested they didn't "think about it", it's just that no one CARES. Do you actually expect us to import a Japanese system to compliment it? You say yourself that each system sold is a loss to you, so obviously that would hurt BOTH of us. Your argument seems to be, in it's entirety "we don't want these people here playing that game so they shouldn't be wanting to play that game". Yeesh, you'd think they would actually try to work within the importing community. They might find out that they made a mistake not releasing a game in some territory after all and be able to increase profits. Sorry, that's a stupid reason to say importing is "bad".

I find the anti-importing argument completely insane. "It's hurting the company because they base their future product release assessments on what games sell and buying something from another region hurts that"? But what if the game never comes out here, or comes out a year or two later... I should have to wait that long to get a game that has already been released? Simply ridiculous. And as for the first "pont" I made, that means nothing to the consumer and shouldn't. Also note that people who say those things are also usually strongly against the purchase of used games, for the same reason... another thing I strongly support. :) (I don't have any imported games, but that's simply because I don't buy things over the internet and don't really have the money for it... but I want them, and am sure that sooner or later I will start to get imported games.)

So yeah, I disagree with that reasoning in the strongest possible way. Importing is a great, great thing, and for as long as companies will refuse to release good games in regions where people want to buy them, people will, and should, import.

As for piracy, the main decent justification I can think of is for games where demos aren't offered and rentals are unavailable (most Gamecube games, some PC games, handheld games, imports...). All games should have demos available, like most (but not all) major PC games have had for the last decade...

Quote:Custom software, he actually seems to like the idea of except it has the potential to hurt sales of games they liscense themselves. Saying "and we sell those systems at a loss" is another point.

That they sell it at a loss is their fault, not the users'. That they are using a business method that the users would rather not support enough (buying software and not homebrew) isn't the users' faults.

Quote:Read that and the entire opinion it links to on that guy's b-log (what does the "b" stand for anyway?).

Uhh, DJ, blog is short for 'weblog'... common knowledge, I'd think...
So if I bought a million Xboxes and never used them, would MS try to sue me?
Using that logic, they should... :)
:D
Though to be fully honest, they aren't saying it should be illegal, but they do seem to be saying it's wrong anyway. I think they are saying that if you did that you should feel really bad and they hate you.

Still pretty stupid.

On the up side, despite what he says about imports, MS disagrees because the 360 has no region coding restrictions, which is a first for a home console (though every single handheld I've ever used, from GB to DS and PSP, has the same region free nature to it). Further, Sony has also stated there will be no regional restrictions for games on the PS3. Nintendo has so far remained silent on the issue, but I hope they make for a fully import friendly generation (PCs have never had region restrictions for games, that I'm aware of) by making the Wii region free as well. For that matter, I wonder a few things regarding backwards compatibility. Is the 360 region free when emulating XBox games? Will the PS3 be region free as regards old PS2 and PS1 games? If Nintendo does make the Wii region free, will that also apply to Gamecube games? (Not that the GCN required real modding to get it to be region free, but it did require buying a special disk for the job.)

These are questions I'd like to know the answer to. I'm also looking into some sort of Matrix style tech for imbuing our brains with all languages so that translators everywhere die in a pit of despair and hatred for all technology.
Quote:they are saying that if you did that you should feel really bad and they hate you.

That pretty much sums up their attitude on all of the issues that have been mentioned here, I think...