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I was experiencing some problems with frontpage 2003.

I kept getting access denied error messages for classes regiestred as .1 and .dmg.

Well I checked in the windows registry, good ol regedit.

.1 belongs to stuffit (a mac version of winzip)
.dmg belongs to transmac (lets you read/files mac on your pc)

I guess mac products are doomed to fight with PC products even at the kernal level. I removed the two programs and now my frontpage works.
Well they can work together now.

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I was shocked that Apple did this, and it could be one of their best moves ever or a huge mistake. The fact that Macs are now the only machines capable or running all three major operating systems at full speed is a huge selling point, but I worry about some companies abandoning Mac programs because "they have Windows on Macs, so why build an OS X version?" I'm sure Jobs and Apple carefully weighed the pros and cons, but I do worry a little about software in the future. I would much rather use a program in OS X than Windows, and I don't want to have the number of Mac programs out there hurt by this decision.
By moving MAC/OS to a intell based artucture you are esentually dumming down the PC. With nearly double the instruction set of Intel based chips on the PowerPC processor your handycapping the OS. Mac's smoke intel chips for one rason alone, the OS doesn't have worry about GUI handing, hyperthreading, or pritty much anything in general because the processor has an instruction set built into the chip for that.

It's like putting an 92 oldsmobile engine in the body of an 06 firebird, the oldmobile altinature might bolt on now, but esentually a shiny brick is still a brick. :D
Some of what you said doesn't make any sense. Hyperthreading is always handled by the processor from what I understand, at least it is on x86. Anyway, PowerPC use to have a huge speed advantage over Intel, but Intel narrowed the gap quite a bit over the last few years whereupon there isn't much of an advantage either way anymore. PowerPC probably has a bigger advantage at the higher end, which is why the game consoles are using it, but overall there is a negligible difference. One of the reasons Apple switched is power consumption. People had been clamoring for years for a G5 laptop, but IBM never delivered because they couldn't cool the processor enough for a laptop. It's tough comparing processors because they have different compilers, algorithms, etc. but I don't think Apple going from PowerPC to x86 is much of a downgrade, if it's a downgrade at all. It certainly has its advantages such as dual-booting Windows and OS X.
Dispite the fact the Intell processors have gained a lot of clock speed (only slightly less then the G4 at about a gigaflop), over the years, G4 processors still have nearly double the instruction set of their intell counter parts, and instructions set are what give the processor it's mussle they move the work over to the hardware end which is faster than software based processing.

I perfer a processor built for googie handling, other thain one that invades your privacy (Ie p3-4 conterversy) any day of the week.
Double the instruction set does not make a processor faster necessarily, and the current PowerPC processor is actually the G5, not the G4 as you said. Everything depends on how the OS and the software use that expanded instruction set. Apple is great at optimizing their code so I see no reason why OS X can't run just as fast on x86 as it did on PowerPC. Apple has the luxury of totally rewriting their OS recently so they don't need to keep building on their code base like Microsoft had been doing up until Vista. I also have no clue what googie handling as I have never heard that term before.
DMiller Wrote:Double the instruction set does not make a processor faster necessarily, and the current PowerPC processor is actually the G5, not the G4 as you said. Everything depends on how the OS and the software use that expanded instruction set. Apple is great at optimizing their code so I see no reason why OS X can't run just as fast on x86 as it did on PowerPC. Apple has the luxury of totally rewriting their OS recently so they don't need to keep building on their code base like Microsoft had been doing up until Vista. I also have no clue what googie handling as I have never heard that term before.
Yes that is correct as you so said your self I said the G4 the next to latest model POWERPC processor is faster that the p4 hyperthreader wich is of course the latest intell model.

As for the OSX running just as well on a reduced instruction set, the mac processor is made for the OS not the other way around. True mac only had to change only 42 lines of code to make it's os compatable with an intell arcutecture, but thats just effecent programming. Mac OSx, 10.1, 10.22 took huge performance hits on the reduced instruction set.

By the way I ment to say gooie handling, the G4-G5 processor as well as the PowerPC line of processors have deticated instruction sets for maintaing a Gooie enviornment on a intell based PC it is the sole responcibility of the kernal.

The P3 / and P4 HT series intell processors have enhansed instruction sets for networking, and threading, which combined don't have nearly as much overhead as gooie handling. Intell chose the performance boosts here because their where important to users. However they were never really problems to begin with as far as overhead was concerned.

Apple did the smart thing they made a processor that made their machine faster, instead of funner (wich comes inherently with being fast).
I'm definitly going to try the dual boot windows thing if I get an intel mac.
Right now using virtual PC for the couple of windows only things that I have use on my powerbook is pretty much useless, it's just too slow.