Tendo City

So...
Me and two of my buddies were at a pool hall last night. I decided since I had to work in the morning, I would be the designated driver. Naturally, I waited until everyone had a few beers in them and were engrossed in the game before I started drinking myself. Nobody ever minds if the DD drinks when they are drunk themselves.
Looking around this dive, I noticed the only girls in this shithole were the rough looking trolls a few tables down. After commenting on this fact to my friend Mike, he dared me to approach them. Being that I am more drunk than either of them at this point, I accepted the challenge and I headed over there. I approached the two playing pool, one was short/fat and had moles all over her face while the other was just as atrocious, but not as fat. I easily struck up a conversation and challenged the winner to a match. A few sentances into our dialogue I realized these girls barely knew english. It turns out they were Micronesian and they all had metal dentures (just like Jaws, but not as cool). Eventually I got my friends to head over and the whole lot of us were having a gay old time trying to understand the subtle differences between our cultures. It was like talking to a ugly wall.
I dont know what they were doing in a pool hall because they sucked, I mopped the floor with them.
Some time later, I guess these beasts had guys with them. Let me remind everyone, I am white, and I was in a rundown ni..black neighborhood, in a shady pool hall, and Micronesians are black. So this crowd of black guys approach the three white boys encroaching on their turf. They start barking some sort of Guamian language at each other and then they all start laughing. And then I start laughing too, as if I were in on the joke. Mike and Curtis were scared. Me? I was drunk. Eventually I started imitating their gibberish and laughing, this got them laughing even more. Mike and Curtis were busy explaining to everyone how drunk I was and how sorry we all were, while I was telling one of the Micronesian guys how much I wanted to fuck one of the girls. I kept pointing at the one girl called Baranii, and whispering shit to the guy like "I bet she slides onto my dick like butter"
For some reason these guys thought I was hilarious. And they thought it was hilarious Mike and Curtis were so scared of them. The guy I was whispering to explained to us that they were heading to a party and we were more than welcome to come and continue drinking with them. I was all but in their car when Curtis stepped up and told them all "thanks but no". We left the pool hall shortly after that.
The next morning I woke up and thanked Curtis for not letting me fuck a toad.
Note: After we left the pool hall, I puked so hard not only did vomit come out of my nose, a little bit trickled out of my eyes.

What a... WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE LIKE YOU?

No, sorry, sorry, but seriously, they were laughing because you were being a drunken idiot.

Quote:What a... WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE LIKE YOU?

No, sorry, sorry, but seriously, they were laughing because you were being a drunken idiot.

Unfortunately, from my experience, telling people who are doing stupid things "you are doing stupid things, that is stupid, you probably shouldn't be doing them" makes no impact...

Also, pointing out that I really can't see someone who has an attitude of thanking friends for saving him from having sexual intercourse with someone he calls a "toad" outright doesn't seem the most... polite way to THINK.

Sometimes I can see why people might say "eh, let them drive drunk" until I remember I might actually be on the road with them, then I realize once again their drunken nature could directly affect me, and that with net access the natural selection factor of "being too drunk to find the ballot box" no longer prevents certain mental states from voting, and I just cry.

A bunch of people I knew in highschool would go out and get wasted on the weekends. I never did though, just didn't see what the big deal was. That, I don't really relish the idea of losing almost completely control of my mind and body.

"Ha ha, isn't it so awesome that I have no idea what I did last night?" ... I never saw the attraction...

Well, whatever you need to do to make friends. Apparently that's worth a lot to you. They obviously care a great deal about you.

Excellent judgment call with the "designated driver waiting till the friends are drunk before getting drunk yourself". Shows a lot of maturity.

Please, we're not in middle school anymore. Are these "OMG i got so drunk ROFLMAO" stories really that impressive anymore? To anyone? Come on man, grow up.

Fuck all of you judgemental outsider elitists. Listen. I don't know how you guys get away from the stresses of you daily life, but I like to get out of control. My work is way too serious and stressful, so when it comes time for me to put all that onto the backburner, I do.
And my friends are real friends that I trust with my life, they knew that by making me the DD, that one of them would be driving home. If I didnt know that, I wouldnt have started drinking.
So what if I called someone a toad, I was illustrating a point.
So what if I think a funny thing that happened to me while I was drunk is worth telling?

This is the age to live this sort of life. This is the age where it is ok for me to go out and be an ass. Maybe 21 is the age where some people have to grow up. Maybe that is the case, but that is not my case. I am going to live my life the way I want.

I don't see the point of wasting all your free time playing MMORPG's like Warcraft. Sitting and staring at a blinking lightbulb for hours talking about hit points and levels of experience. I think it is a waste of time, but for some people, there really is nothing better than entering a fantasy world where the limitations of our real world can be forgotten. Nothing better than joining a group of friends and questing for the next rare artifact that will allow your adventure to progress to the next level. But that isnt for me. Just like drinking isnt for you guys. The only difference is, I dont bash what other people do.

I dont think I could enlighten you guys to the pleasures of drinking, just like you couldnt enlighten me to the pleasures of the Horde. Although I am sure both exist and are real, we are all too set in our ways to let the other person's thoughts stick. So I am not going to bother justifying why I drink.

We all create the memories we want, how we want. Respect that.

Quote:Well, whatever you need to do to make friends. Apparently that's worth a lot to you. They obviously care a great deal about you.

Excellent judgment call with the "designated driver waiting till the friends are drunk before getting drunk yourself". Shows a lot of maturity.

Please, we're not in middle school anymore. Are these "OMG i got so drunk ROFLMAO" stories really that impressive anymore? To anyone? Come on man, grow up.

Eh, that's not so true, when I was his age (well, a bit younger actually, but close enough) my roommate acted like that... (that quote of mine in my last post is pretty much the kind of stuff he said all the time with his friends...)

... yeah, that year didn't go so well... but it's far from atypical.

CoconutCommander Wrote:Tucker Max wannabe knock-off story

The story would have been better if you fucked the toad.

Getting drunk kicks ass. No need for me to defend myself, 'cause being judged by people who don't know what they're talking about (only on special occasions will you get drunk enough to not remember an entire night *cough*ABF*cough*) and won't go out and try it for themselves in a social atmosphere doesn't bother me. Just pour me another shot and keep me away from the videogamers who think they're better than me.

Quote:I don't see the point of wasting all your free time playing MMORPG's like Warcraft. Sitting and staring at a blinking lightbulb for hours talking about hit points and levels of experience. I think it is a waste of time, but for some people, there really is nothing better than entering a fantasy world where the limitations of our real world can be forgotten. Nothing better than joining a group of friends and questing for the next rare artifact that will allow your adventure to progress to the next level. But that isnt for me. Just like drinking isnt for you guys. The only difference is, I dont bash what other people do.

I dont think I could enlighten you guys to the pleasures of drinking, just like you couldnt enlighten me to the pleasures of the Horde. Although I am sure both exist and are real, we are all too set in our ways to let the other person's thoughts stick. So I am not going to bother justifying why I drink.

There's probably some truth to that, but it won't change my opinion. :)

And some things are demonstratably worse (about drinking)... like the ones that get you injured or in legal trouble...

I have no problem with people getting drunk as long as they still make safe decisions after drinking. I never drank in high school, but I got drunk plenty of times in college. My friends and I always either walked home or took the bus if we were at an off-campus bar. Driving drunk is just stupid as you not only can hurt yourself or others, but getting a DUI can really affect you for certain jobs. I know of a teacher who was recently let go because of a DUI. Not really trying to preach here, but just try to think a little more before you go out and drink. We can't afford to lose another member at TC.

Never played WoW, but it seems that at least with that outlet you walk away with something of use in that persons eyes (be it gold experience, or items). All you get form a night of drinking is some vomiting, a headache the next day, the loss of a few thousand brain cells, and a story that one or two people may find somewhat interesting.

You hadn't mentioned another person driving you home. In your first post, you said they made you the designated driver, then you waited until they were all drunk before getting drunk yourself, so nobody could stop you. What was I supposed to think?

I aplogize if I sounded insensitive. People who talk like that really sound immature to me. Drinking and partying is fine by me, do whatever you need to do, but wearing it on your sleeve like some sort of badge of honor like you and Fittisize do, it's like waving a big sign that says "I'M COOL! SEE? LOOK, I GOT DRUNK! I'M SO F***ING COOL!!!!!!"

Coconut/ You have to realize that most of the people here live with their parents and haven't experienced stress beyond not having clean underwear and/or unable to start Windows. We're the uber-dorks you saw at school who were complaininng about modem speeds before there was an internet. Once these cats get out and do the whole 'life' thing, drinking alcohol happens automatically and with that, funny stories. But a side from that, you're a freak and an idiot, please never have children.

That's actually not true lazy. I know quite a few people who prefer to be sober, myself included. I'm simply not a depressed person, and I actually enjoy my life. I mean, isn't that the goal in life, to do something that you both enjoy and can make a profit from? Drinking to drown it out merely means there is something you don't like about your life, and to be honest time would better be spent either doing something to resolve the situation or just learning to like it.

I can only add that it's all well and good if you get drunk now and again, but in the retelling, you make it out to be some grand adventure, like it's the entire point of life, getting "through the day" to the point where you can get drunk.

That *is* pretty cool.

You should have gone to the party though, I'm sure that's where all the hot (micronesian) girls were hiding.

Another pitcher and then they wouldve all been hot micronesians

Quote:I don't know how you guys get away from the stresses of you daily life

Watch a movie? Play videogames? Listen to music? Read a book? Talk to people on the internet?

Expand my horizens rather than deaden them? And, not to sound trite, but maybe you shouldn't be trying to get away from the stresses but rather take them head on? Life for a lot of people just isn't all that hard. Here's a few pointers. Don't get into debt. Don't get married right out of highschool. Try to study hard so you have some credentials, and get a job you actually enjoy doing. If you can manage that, life's easy.

lmao so you have to be depressed (sad) in order to have fun? when I took my wife out to dinner for our anniversary we had wine, that obviously means we're depressed and we need alcohol in order to enjoy life according Dark Jaguar and grumbler. You guys are such mama's boys it's kinda scary :D

1.) you dont drink alcohol to 'have fun', doing so would mean you're an alcoholic. alcohol tends to stregthen your emotions, so a person who is actually clinically depressed (not sad) will have adverse effects and will feel worse. rinking alcohol is done in celebration, celebration is a byproduct of stress, as in you went through alot of stress to reach this point, alcohol does aid in shedding the stress off because it actually causes you to deal with it. Not ignore it by "talking to other people, playing video games" or other excuses.

2.) alcohol is a phisiological depressent that helps aid in numbing the central nervous system relaxing the person and causing a hybrid formation of sub-con/con unity which takes the form of 'lowered inabitions' (ie: fears, anxiety, worries, seem to melt away). An example would be a person who is afraid of being in a relationship will be able to think beyond his fears and actually try it out. a woman afraid off sexual relationships will push herself to get over fears. People normally lethargic feel awake as most of the 'tired feeling' is a result of stresses brought on through the day (a stress is classified as anything that you need to accomplish but cant or is very difficult, this is mostly on an emotional scale ie: wanting to talk to your mom and dad about something important but afraid to, so you ignore it and try to fill your day with things that have nothing to do with what is bothering you, thus building up until a type of critical mass is reached and the brain will react adversely to normally accepted stimulus, ie: suddenly a person's voice drives you mad, or you yell at someone who didn't do anything just to get your anger out) Alcohol will curtail all of these events and force them out of your sub-con, while drinking you will suddenly find yourself thinking 'hey i'm gonna call my wife and telll her i'm pissed off tht she sold my harley!" the fear abandoned, the person can now call their wife without issue and express themselves without any fear or doubt (at 2 in the morning with a slurred speech :D)

of course these are just examples but if you guys had any life experience you could easily pick it up. In the cases of DJ and Grumbler i'm almost certain neither of you have had a serious relationship with a woman or have serious careers or long-term commitments, you are not in positions where suddenly a house payment is due and you dont have parents or family to help or enough money of your own. You dont comprehend these situations because you are sheltered and safe, as I said the worst you have gone through is for some people laughable, but that's what life is, gaining exerience. 20 years ago your worst stress and fears were prrobably more about if mom and dad will punish you, or if you wont get the video game you want because of your grades, or geting beat up at school etc, things you look back on and laugh at now. The same thing will happen 20 years from now. I see people saying 'alcohol is so bad!' or 'drugs are so bad!" and in all actuality there's nothing bad about them, just people who abuse them. You can abuse fatty foods, abuse exposure to sunlight, it's all relative, but in itself alcohol or drugs have no inherent dark or twisted meaning. you're simply afraid of 'losing control' because of what you may find out about yourself, this is common for people who are adults but lack life experience and goes away with time, thankfully you can always fall back on the 'You only know what you know' attitude (which i do alot) so that basically if you dont know the scope of the situation, it doesnt effect you. this is one of my favorite ways of dealing with alot of stress and helps narrow the mind to make it stronger for the situation and is often taught in military training.

right now you guys are in the same mind frame i was several years ago, that not drinking alcohol makes you a better person for it, etc. but it's simply not true and it's the same attitude people have of 'you are what you own' and shows weakness in ego or personality by using a crutch to percieve yourself as a better person. the same thing happens in people's minds when they see someone who is in their opinion ugly, fat, short, etc and feel the need to consciously acknowledge it in order to feel somewhat superior. It's a metaphysical security blanket. like when coconut had to put down the girls at the bar, it probably shows his lack of confidence in dealing with women or his fear of women which most men have, so it's nothing unusual, then you enter the whole realm of percievable perfection ie: you masturbate to the beautiful girl becase you want to be percieved as beautiful, etc.

This is all going over your heads right now but it seriously does just happen with time, it's unavoidable... unfortunately. :D

awesome

I like being drunk.


Its the getting drunk that I hate.

if you dont enjoy the taste of the drink then.... wtf are you doing? :D i like straight vodka about room temp, if you warm it up it takes on a saki-quality but saki is like candy to me. i have to be really careful with that stuff, if i'm in a sushi bar and i have a good supply of saki i'll go through 10 bottles without even realizing what i've done until I get up. :D then it hits me -- a gallon of alcohol and raw fish. Yeah, good times :D But unlike saki, you need to have some water handy if you're drinking straight vodka.

People have fears for a reason. They protect us from what we feel will hurt us, and form doing things we may regret. Releasing those fears is not always a good idea. I can see perhaps temporarily getting over fear of something inevitable like being laid off of work, but doing it to get over fears to tell off your wife can put you in a stickier situation than you were in to begin with.

I've learned that you are indeed wise beyond your years lazy, and perhaps there is truth to what you say, but I don't see the appeal. People can release their stress in any number of ways with little to no adverse consequences. With alcohol there is a laundry list of potential disasters stemming from it's use, and while the release may be chemical aided rather than simply relaxing on your own, the stresses you had may still be there the next day. No drink will make such stresses disappear forever, only mask them temporarily, as any recreational activity of hobby will do.

I have no intention of getting into a long, dragged out debate about alcohol with you or anyone. Lord knows we'd be here for weeks. I have my views. You have yours. Neither is right nor wrong, and neither of us is going to change the other's mind. Let's leave it at that, shall we?

I must know one thing though: can someone please tell me the appeal of "vomiting so hard it trickles out of your eyes"?

That's a lot of assumptions about us lazy. What reason do you have to think we are such terrible people with such motivations as that? It's rather insulting, and where's your evidence?

I don't drink alchohol because I know what sort of mental state I prefer to have and what the results of poisoning myself are. I do not state that those who do drink are "evil" for it. However, they are not acting logically. I simply wouldn't enjoy that, and I don't want to risk addiction. Further, you mention "stress" in a general term refering to effort exerted. Yes, my body grows tired, but I sleep to resolve that. My mind is something I manage without chemicals. I'm lucky in that I don't need medication as of yet (though it is likely in the future I may need to). Further, I have yet to have a single doctor or scientist recommend drinking two shots and calling them in the morning.

What sort of scientific studies verify that A: everyone has hidden stress they need to relieve, B: alchohol is the only way to relieve it and C: people who don't drink are simply cowards because drinking is an important part of living.

It's nice that you think you "used to think like us" and you label us as immature for not drinking, thinking we are some sort of "look at us, we don't drink and we are great people for it" (which I don't recall saying even once), but actually, it's not nice. It's just insulting. Unless you can back up what you have to say with evidence, sorry, I'm moving along.

By the way, I have a rich full life and don't feel the need to justify myself via a relationship. Further, how am I somehow a worse person just because I have yet to experience destitution? I've learned how to avoid such pitfalls in life. Why would I purposefully seek out a self destructive situation like being deep in debt? Being in debt has proven to be bad psychologically. Taking basic steps to avoid stresses like that, living "the easy life" (and yes, it is easier) makes for a happier person. I just find it annoying when people walk up to me and tell me I'm so depressed, based entirely on the fact that they know the only way to be happy is their way, and I'm not living like them, therefor I must be unhappy.

Do you actually think GR and myself are unhappy people? Do you look down on us for never having been in debt (because we actually know how to avoid it and would rather not have that experience)? Do you think we are missing out on what life is really about because we don't get intoxicated? I can reason my way past any tough situations. If I actually see a situation where I can logically expect getting drunk to accomplish a goal, I'll go for it.

Anyway, were you talking about that crazed German kid when you spoke of yelling at people for no reason over idiotic things? Do you honestly believe that if that person would just get drunk, he would "work up the courage" to confront the situation that's causing all that anger? What if it's not about a hidden anger (though it might be, I'm not sure, he might have been fired, or, from the looks of that house, just been expelled from skoo), but rather it's just about an immature person who hasn't learned to deal with certain situations? I'm fairly certain if you get Croyt drunk, all it will do is result in him not holding back when he hits his TV. At least SOME rational thought was still in that head, don't take it all away. Lowering inhibitions is not inherantly good either.

Darunia Wrote:I like being drunk.


Its the getting drunk that I hate.

I have only two words of advice for you: keep drinking. I think it's a byproduct of our Coca-Cola society that everything is "yucky" if it's not super-sweet or salty tasting. You definitely have to work on your drinking to "get" the subtleties of wine and beer, and even of hard liquor (though to be fair that's more of a subtlety that kicks you in the face). The end result, however, is that you can get smashed and like it, too - or even just have a drink for the taste.

As for the "social progressism" in this thread, I shant touch it with a ten-foot barge pole. I will note, however, that there is such a thing as thinking too much.

Yes. It occurs when one thinks over false paths, unsubstantiated conjecture, or irrelevent data to reach a conclusion.

DJ you totally have no idea what i'm talking about, just ignore what i said. You're right, you dont need a relationship, love, or any of that krap, no children, no career, all of that is bogus and when you turn 40 or 50 and find yourself snorting the cocain off the hooker's body, look me up on MSN. also, dont put words in my mouth err... text field, not once did i call anyone here "immature" for not drinking, what I did say is that you obviiously have alot of issues/fears around the idea of drinking and your 'why do people do that?" stance speaks volumes of your lack of life experience. but in no way does drinking make you more mature nor does it better yourself, but the exact opposite is just as bad. I'll try to explain below. oh and that guy just wanted to be funny and give a show, that's all he wanted. put people on a stage and expect them to ham it up.

Eden/ i completely agree 100%, but you have to realize that i wasn't making the claim that alcohol gets rid of stress or fears, it only offers a catalyst for the person to do so, that being lowered inabitions. We are a product of fears and light psychosis, we call it a 'personality' and in that 'personality' there are sometimes dozens, sometimes thousands of hurdles to get over in things that may be easy for you, but not so easy for the next guy. I know people who have never told their parents "I love you" or spent their entire lives trying to get high on anything, even getting the children taken away from them and all th way to the lightest side where you have people that like to bite their lovers even when asked not to, but cant help it (Anchorman makes a funny reference to that behavior, where he also tells the kids "no eye contact") or people who have to be the center of the conversation or they freak out (I think everyone has this to some degree :D). And it all comes from people with light psychosis raising children and perpetuating it on and on, creating more of the ideal of individualism and the all consuming identity. By raising people with dozens of light psychosis and callint it personality who in turn instill it in to their children.

What it boils down to essentially is tht each person is a unique collection of bullshit, some positive, mostly negative and almost always is central around emotional stability or comprehension of other people's emotions. this is the entire reason why anyone drinks, it creates an atmosphere where people unveil that shroud of bullshit and become, more or less, educated, truth-mongoring children. of course there is the dark side, a young girl brought up in a loving home who was handed everything and was given a life most people dream of finds herself wanting to be used and abused by men in order to feel 'alive' because what the parents didn't realize is that the child never saw them fight, argue, have an issue, share a negative emotion, and everything was always peachy, raise a child in that environment and you get a monster. you would think the opposite would apply but it doesn't, we have to be exposed to the positive and negative otherwise the forming person has no idea and will be stuck in that infantile desire for discovering boundries their entire life. "You only know what you know." :D

so you're getting drunk, there you are, what do you do with it? People dont have thoughts like 'I have such and such issues" people deny and ignore their issues, pretend they're not there and hope they go away when they do notice them. but when they're gone, a new standard is set, you now have the opportunity to think outside yourself and no amount of retro/introspective channeling will help you achieve that like alcohol can, giving you the advantage to tackle important issues. of course, i'm speaking in vague realities mostly hammering themselves out in the subcon, but you get the idea.

In no way shape or form is throwing up through your eyeballs fun, but it's a great boundry to discover and just to have the memory of it would be awesome, sorta like finding out you can jump off a roof and not die :D but keep in mind that when you drink alcohol, you have to drink ALOT in order to reach a point where you throw up. I'm a huge guy, and i drank 20 beers and a few hand grenades at mardigras and didn't lose any of it :D if people are throwing up, they have mild alcohol poisoning, that means there is too much alcohol in their body and it needs to expel it - that's ALOT of alcohol consumption. You dont need to drink to that level in fact, it's pointless. i bet you could down a six pack and feel the warm buzzy feeling and little else but I could be wrong, but you definitelly wont throw up... especially through your eyeball.

What i did when i realized that i dont want to be afraid of alcohol anymore is try one while at a nice restaurant then later in the week I bought my own 6 pack and drank them, thought it tasted like krap, so the following week I tried a different brand. Eventually i found guiness and killians and Harp and i was happy with their 'odd' tastes. Finally after 6 beers of something that tasted okay I felt the warm buzzy feeling and stopped there. i asked my wife the next day, "did I act different? did i change my personality?" and her response was 'Other than get slightly more annoying and turn everything on television in to an episode of MST3K, no" So I decided to keep going the following week with more than 6 and even different alcohols and i found drunkedness, the sensation was so strange I would rush to the pooter to brain storm everything that was happening in my head and reading up on studies that were conducted by psychologists on mapping the human brain and how it interacts with alcohol and then I would map out specific people and get drunk with them to notice the change, and the change was incredible because suddenly a person who constantly argues about how much he hates gays and faggots, etc, cant stop praising how clean and well kept they are (funniest shit ever) or a woman who claims to be gay is suddenly hitting on every guy in the place begging for attention, etc etc and like other hermits/witch doctors/shrinks before me I made the discovery that 'lowered inabitions' litteraly translated to a "truer self", one that does not get tangled up in their own bullshit.

Now once you get the experience of that and actually being drunk and seeing who you "really" are, you can make contact with it without the use of alcohol, though it becomes more frightening without the aid of the chemical depressant because let's face it, no one likes who they are, no matter how much they massage their egos (Dark Jaguar) but of course that's a different discussion altogether.

you say that fears are there for a reason. Quick example: deer is in the forest, foraging, finds a bush with berries, eats the berries, gets sick, survives, and now the magic happens: when that deer even THINKS abbout those berries, it gets sick again. it FEARS those berries, it wont even walk near the bush! Ever have food poisoning? I had really bad pizza once, threw up for like a week, it was suck, and I couldn't be in the same room with pizza for like two years before i could enjoy it again. brain creates a fear for a purpose: not to die. you're 5 years old, you walk in the kitchen, you smell mac and cheese, you go to look in the pot, you grab the handel and whoosh hot fuck ouch crash call for mom, get yelled at, etc. you now have a fear of hot things, this ultimately comes down to survivability but for our cases it's more of a comfort zone or in extreme cases the loss of skin, body parts, etc. fear for a reason: not to get hurt.

Now the horrible stuff, the stuff that makes serial killers or artists, apply the above to emotional scopes. That same fear of getting hurt can be applied generally to relationships if you have the right experiences, you can litteraly become a person who cannot have a relationship, because of inward fear of being hurt. That is fear without purpose, tht is called misplaced fear and it's only there because of circumstance and not absolutes like poison berries or hot handels, you based that subcon fear on extremely specific events and you're ENTIRE personality is going to suffer for it, th rest of your life will now have to weave around this subcon fear in order for you to even think about being happy and thus you have amazing poetry, brilliant story tellers or serial murderers as they slowly lose that balance of what is a needed fear and what is a misplaced fear. A fear of being ugly, a fear of other people, fear of walking outside, fear of clowns, fear of commitment, fear of intimacy, fear of not being loved, fear of mom or dad loving a sibling more than you, fear of pets (yes I actually know someone with this) and as we try to work around them we can generate some pretty amazing stuff in our perspectives and from them create horror or beauty, some of us want to make the game Silent Hill and some of us want to actually kill people with a lead pipe and they are both formed out of percieved and misplaced fears of everything you are ever exposed to (or in some cases, not exposed to)

i'm getting waaaay in to some of the simple functions of the brain and their infinite scope on our daily lives but basically my point is that alcohol is whatever you want it to be and it can even be a tool, which is why, indirectly, it is popular in the first place because it is used to remove the red alert status and take those shields down. It does not ruin you, it does not make you a bad person, forget everything from TV and movies where the mean old step dad drinks and beats his kids because even if you had a dad like that, you have good memories of him too

Unless he was like a rapist or hitler or whatever. Darunia can tell us all about that.

Dark Jaguar Wrote:Yes. It occurs when one thinks over false paths, unsubstantiated conjecture, or irrelevent data to reach a conclusion.

Fine, C3PO. That's alright if you like a robotic approach. But why use rationality as a guiding principle for your life? Or, even if you do, why follow it with such dedication that you never detract from it? Why, when you are doing something, would you ask "is what I'm doing rational?" out of the many existential questions you could ask yourself? Examples of other questions could be "is what I'm doing enjoyable to me?", "will what I'm doing procure me some kind of material/spiritual gain in the future?", etc. Or, you could simply do things without asking yourself these questions.

I don't believe I mentioned I don't want to have friendships or have a fulfilling career. I only stated I don't need a relationship to justify my existance, and I don't seek it out. Why you believe this means I must be afraid of it is beyond me. Nice straw man though lazy.

You seem to think I'm actually terrified of myself, or that I've never once analyzed myself in depth, found problems, and confronted them, and further you believe the only way to do so is to drink alcohol. This is not the case, as I have changed myself in some pretty major ways over the years, and using a skeptical attitude basically means I'm always analyzing myself.

I for one have no problem constantly analyzing things. Life is an active process, not passive (death is a passive process, oh and sleep too I guess), and so the brain must be active at all times too.

It is all well and good if drinking has helped you to face your inner demons, but don't announce that this is the only way to truth.

And by the way, of course not understanding why someone would drink is a statement of ignorance. All questions are.