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http://dwl.xbox-scene.com/video/Xbox-360...Disks3.wmv

It's incredibly easy.

Nice.

Oh wow...it sounded like that disc was screaming in pain in there :D

I've heard PS2 has problems with disc scratching, but GC definitely doesn't. I carry it around with a disc inside it most of the time. :)

The old PS2 would stratch discs a little bit if you played the system upright.

A Black Falcon Wrote:I've heard PS2 has problems with disc scratching, but GC definitely doesn't. I carry it around with a disc inside it most of the time. :)

Yeah, me too but, when it's ON??

Well honestly, the guy DID do something pretty idiotic there. You aren't supposed to reorient disk drives while they are operating unless you have good reason to believe it won't hurt it. The PSP, for example, is designed with that in mind (those caddies help a lot).

Really though, I have no idea why "hey, it can be VERTICAL!" is considered such a good thing. Space saving? I suppose that when it's oriented that way it fits more easily into SOME setups, but seriously, that's not that big a deal. I'd never sacrifice a wide base for something so stupid.

I've done that with consoles before, mainly the Sega CD and original PS2. Also, I've heard that the Xbox360 was not built with vertical play in mind.

Grumbler: Did you do that while they were in motion?

That IS a pretty dumb thing to do... good thing they aren't banking on a younger audience. Then again, uneducated people are left in the dark again.

At least it makes a horrible noise.

X360... it scratches discs if it moves while on (such as if it's vertical and gets knocked over...), it supposedly is a bit more likely to scratch discs (though not in that sudden, extreme way) if it's horizontal... or if it's vertical, depending on who you ask... but more seem to say horizontal. The direction where it's a lot less likely to tip over. Somewhat contradictory reports... but all agree, moving it while on is bad. :)

Some CD systems don't scratch discs when moved... one example I heard was a Discman... and I don't think Gamecube will, though I'm not sure if I've tried it.

The demo "kiosks" for the 360 are all vertical. If they didn't design it that way, marketting is to blame (much like all of life's troubles).

Uneducated people are left in the dark by definition :D. That's pretty much what they deserve. But, seriously, how do you do that, even unintentionally?

So, will the Revolution be burdened with such a flaw, or will the system be set up to avoid such a problem?

My best guess going by what I have heard is that the X360 vertical probably won't scratch the discs on its own... it's just naturally less stable upright, and if it tips over it sure will. While horizontal it's stable, but it's meant to be vertical so there's perhaps a bit higher chance of the system causing some kind of scratching on the disc... (though not like in that movie I'm sure) That could be wrong of course. It's just my best guess.

Quote:So, will the Revolution be burdened with such a flaw, or will the system be set up to avoid such a problem?

Nintendo has a higher standard of quality than the competition... it'll be fine, I bet. GC uses a CD drive and isn't exactly known for destroying discs... :) In fact, it's known for being the most durable of the current generation of consoles. I doubt Nintendo will suddenly reduce its quality standards...

I imagine that Nintendo will design the system so that this is not a problem. They've always been pretty good about kid proofing their systems. Also something like this isn't very hard to prevent. One guy put three foam rubber pads inside the disk drive of his Xbox 360 and now it doesn't scratch the disc when being moved.

What worries me is reports from people saying that even strong ground vibrations from people walking by while the disc is spinning have caused the discs to become scratched.

Yeah, this site...

X360 works with USB hubs... so you can indeed use four wired controllers despite how it only has three USB ports (and one of those is on the back).

http://www.llamma.com/xbox360/news/usb-h...ox-360.htm

Foam pads to stop the disc-scratching-because-of-tipping problem.

http://www.llamma.com/xbox360/repair/Ref...-Drive.htm

Gamecube... it'd be interesting to see some facts (if it can actually scratch discs like this). The only thing I can think of is how the disc 'clicks' onto that center post thing, instead of entering the drive loose... I don't know.

Quote:Grumbler: Did you do that while they were in motion?

Yes.

That's exactly it, the GC 'locks' disks in place.

There's also a satisfying cushion of cloudy fufu-ness when you snap a disk in.

Yeah, I thought that the disc lock thing made the GC less likely to have this problem. Discs don't need to have to be locked in to have a non-scratch system though... see portable cd music players... (how about other top-loading game systems? I guess it depends on if you just drop it in or if it locks like the GC?)

Quote:Yes.

And the discs were damaged?

A Black Falcon Wrote:Discs don't need to have to be locked in to have a non-scratch system though... see portable cd music players...

All of the portable CD players I've owned lock in the discs.

Quote:And the discs were damaged?

No, they were just fine.

Yeah, I could see a person wanting to move the system to be vertical or horizontal when they first get it, adjusting it to the living-room atmosphere. I would guess most people would adjust it before turning it on... but this IS marketted towards a lot of people with short attention spans (video game freaks, stoners, slacking jock assholes, fraternity pricks, etc.) who would likely just plug the damn system in and play, then even keep it in the middle of the floor in front of the TV with all the wires sticking in various television orafices before even thinking about seeing how well it fits into the picture of the room. That's something FAGS do, anyway.

Does it go into standby and if so, does it still do this...? Of course, if it's on standby, I would HOPE the disc isn't friggin moving, or there'd be SOME protection. Unfortunately, with Microsoft, it's hard to tell if you'll get quality, especially if the system is rushed to be put out before competitors' products and holiday season.