Quote:Originally posted by A Black Falcon
Hudson... you just don't seem to get it... Nintendo will not ever have 4 times more games coming out than they already do!/quote]
I know they wont, and that's their problem.
[quote] Umm... I see no possible way that in the real world that could ever happen... its just so unrealistic that it is completely absurd.
They have 6-8 billions dollars in the bank, it seems pretty realistic to me.
Quote:As is the idea that doing that could get them bigger market share...
How would it not help sell their console? Having more games is a BAD thing? It would get them a much bigger market share, particularly in the future. They can't rely on 3rd parties making all their good games, because that's not what people are buying (on the GCN at least). Having their own, clearly definable lineup is the way they need to go, because of this.
Quote:Nope, I agreed with OB1. He said that Nintendo needs more second parties... I agreed... but the extent you seem to want would not do anything except hurt them... since it just wouldn't work.
Well, I don't see why it wouldn't work. Perhaps they would spend the money, and not make it back. It certainly didn't help Sega, although they
were in a stronger position with the DC than most thought they would be, despite having lost almost all consumer confidence with their previous efforts. Nintendo still has that confidence, and that mindshare, and I think it could be successful.
Quote:Oh... and as for Sega vs Nintendo, in many ways Nintendo is definitely doing better... Dreamcast did have great games, but it was buried so badly at the end of the first year by the PS2 that by that point its death was just a matter of time... Nintendo is surviving with two other consoles...
I know, and kudos to the big N for hanging in there. It's a shame that the DC died, despite having such a brilliant lineup of games.
Quote:And why should Nintendo make sports games? They have in the past, remember, and they're usually not nearly as good as Sega's or EA's sports games...
Sports games were just an example of how they should expand. They don't necessarily have to do it. But I don't think it could hurt. As long as they are better than 989's sports titles ;)
Nintendo doesn't want to blow out its money on risky purchases... it would be stupid! They need to keep money in reserve... they aren't going to go spend all their money buying stuff. It wouldn't end well, I bet... Having more games is good, but not at the cost of your cash reserves... plus, Nintendo has VERY high standards for second parties... and even when they do make good games (like Left Field), or even great games (Rare) they still can let them go because of not wanting to spend more money on them than they feel they are worth...
Nintendo can make decent sports games, but aren't known for making really good ones... and I think they have retreated from trying anymore after their latest sports game that was outclassed by the competiton (the Gamecube basketball game...). Not that I blame them... for some reason, Nintendo's audience just doesn't seem to buy many sports games...
Sega just never had a chance. After the Sega CD, 32X, and Saturn, the public wasn't ready to accept another Sega console... and I certainly can understand why... it was too bad, but probably predictable. Nintendo hasn't alienated its userbase like that yet, of course... but if they do some of what you want, I bet they'd continue to alienate the casual gamer. Yes, Nintendo's games are great for any audience, and more Nintendo games would be nice... but it is just absurd to say that they should spend a lot of money on developers that probably don't live up to the quality level Nintendo demands in them... or to spend the money needed to improve them or something...
I just don't understand you at all. I can't see how you honestly think that almost any of the stuff you propose would actually help Nintendo... which isn't surprising given how you clearly don't want Nintendo to ever try to be the best again.
Quote:And Gamerankings is hardly the most accurate site to judge the quality of a game by (as if any website is), I still think Shinobi was Sega's best game during that period, and it only averaged scored a 75%. Did you ever play it?
Dude, gamerankings doesn't review games. They just list all of the reviews from all of the major websites and magazines and then lists the average ratings.
Quote:Are you even listening (reading). I told you repeatedly that I am not saying they should get rid of third party support.
And by "get back into the game", I meant more along the lines of challenging for a solid (30 - 40%+) market share.
I don't understand what you're saying. How would they gain a larger market share by switching focus to their first-party games? That's basically what they've been doing for the past two generations. But if you're simply trying to suggest that they should put even
more focus on first-party titles and make more development studios, then I agree with you. But they've already started doing this.
Quote:which isn't surprising given how you clearly don't want Nintendo to ever try to be the best again.
Nothing would please me more than to see Nintendo on top again.
Except, perhaps, if Sega were on top again. :)
Quote:Dude, gamerankings doesn't review games. They just list all of the reviews from all of the major websites and magazines and then lists the average ratings.
I know...
Quote:I don't understand what you're saying. How would they gain a larger market share by switching focus to their first-party games? That's basically what they've been doing for the past two generations. But if you're simply trying to suggest that they should put even more focus on first-party titles and make more development studios, then I agree with you. But they've already started doing this.
IMO, they need to do it on a mass scale, in time for next generation. It's not going to happen, and it would cost the big N a
lot of money. But for long term investments, I think it's the only way they could really keep up with Sony and MS.
Quote:IMO, they need to do it on a mass scale, in time for next generation. It's not going to happen, and it would cost the big N a lot of money. But for long term investments, I think it's the only way they could really keep up with Sony and MS.
It just wouldn't be a good use of money to do a operation on the scale you want... Nintendo already makes a lot of first and second party games... and first/second party sales are a higher percentage of Cube sales than X-Box/PS2... and yes, making more teams is a good idea and Nintendo's doing it with Retro... but on some huge scale? No, not a good idea at all. Its not a good use of resources... and if those developers would take as much effort as Retro did to get up to Nintendo levels of quality, they can't possibly even try to...
I know how hard it would be. Which is why I really don't hold that much hope for Nintendo to continue much longer in the hardware market. Or at least be some sort of force. :(
The year 2002 has taught me many things about this industry. The first is that market share is not proportional to the "quality" nor the quantity of games on the system. I put "quality" in quotes because this number is the judgement of the hardcore fans, not the mass consumer market. Yes, software is a factor, but I think everyone can agree that hype surrounding a title sells merchandise more than the "quality." We can argue about the quality of the Xbox lineup v. GCN lineup all we want, but I think we can all agree that Microsoft's lineup does not outstrip Nintendo' lineup to the magnitude of the sales numbers (4.5:3.5).
I say this because it has brought me to the conclusion that no matter how many mature titles Nintendo has on its systems, no matter how many amazing games are released on its systems, the games alone do not have the voice to create popularity. The game only gains a voice once it speaks through a person. Once it gains word-of-mouth. But that does not seem to be working in Nintendo's favor this generation. It's not enough. The people that are really enamored with Nintendo are either ashamed to spread the word or huddled in the dark corners of the Internet discussing Link's eyebrows.
Voice...it is an interesting quality. We come to these Internet homes because they give us a voice in a world where we seem to have none. Nintendo needs a voice that will carry to the mass market. And we, as a collective Nintendo internet fanbase, are the best people to do it. We are many. We are opinionated. The disconnect is that this mass group refuses to claim its voice outside of its secluded Internet home. If Nintendo could truly inspire these people to spread word-of-mouth in a consumer-accepted way...Wow.
Quote:The year 2002 has taught me many things about this industry. The first is that market share is not proportional to the "quality" nor the quantity of games on the system.
Umm... it took you this long to figure that out? Where have you been? Under a rock? That has been true for years... marketing beats game quality when the good quality game isn't marketed well and the bad but more appealing to the mass market one is...
Quote:We can argue about the quality of the Xbox lineup v. GCN lineup all we want, but I think we can all agree that Microsoft's lineup does not outstrip Nintendo' lineup to the magnitude of the sales numbers (4.5:3.5).
Of course it doesn't... MS just is smarter with marketing, as X-Box Live...
Quote:I say this because it has brought me to the conclusion that no matter how many mature titles Nintendo has on its systems, no matter how many amazing games are released on its systems, the games alone do not have the voice to create popularity. The game only gains a voice once it speaks through a person. Once it gains word-of-mouth. But that does not seem to be working in Nintendo's favor this generation. It's not enough. The people that are really enamored with Nintendo are either ashamed to spread the word or huddled in the dark corners of the Internet discussing Link's eyebrows.
Yeah... with its abysmal marketing Nintendo does seem to be relying on public opinion and word of mouth... things that in this generation are not in their favor...
Quote:Voice...it is an interesting quality. We come to these Internet homes because they give us a voice in a world where we seem to have none. Nintendo needs a voice that will carry to the mass market. And we, as a collective Nintendo internet fanbase, are the best people to do it. We are many. We are opinionated. The disconnect is that this mass group refuses to claim its voice outside of its secluded Internet home. If Nintendo could truly inspire these people to spread word-of-mouth in a consumer-accepted way...Wow.
Hardcore gamers usually do try... but get drowned out by the mass of other things that the average consumers look at when getting games... and the opinions of the hardcore usually, unfortunately, isn't one of those things.
So we get DBZ: Budokai selling over a million copies.
People are stupid...
to bad dbz desserved better then budokai