Two series. One live-action that takes place between Episodes III and IV and stars minor characters from Episode III, and the other is going to be a CG Clone Wars cartoon.
The live-action series is going to consist of 100 episodes and will be done Young Indy-style (a whole season shot at once and then aired), with Lucas himself allegedly directing the first season. And if you're wondering what they can do in a tv series between 3 and 4, keep in mind that not every Jedi dies in Episode III...
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I really hope they don't get WB to make it.
Ok there are like a billion things wrong with that statement.
1) Fox would be the obvious choice.
2) Lucas has complete creative control over Star Wars, so even if it were on the WB it would not be WB-like unless Lucas wanted it to be.
Fox would cancel it after a season or two for no reason, though...
Haha, but Lucas isn't dependant upon that. If he wanted to he could just release it on dvd.
Lucas has enough money that he could make the series without the backing of any major networks. I'm sure he won't do that though, since it's likely that all of the networks would pay out the nose to get a Star Wars series on their channel.
Um, would it really get ratings that high? Star Trek, which has an even bigger fanbase than Star Wars, isn't really doing all that well. There are just a LOT more people who want to see American Idol than "some silly sci-fi show". That show is likely to get prime time, then slip out to some desolate wasteland timeslot. It'll surely do well by cable show standards of course, but if you want BILLIONS of viewers, it's sitcoms and reality shows you need to make.
Anyway I think we can ALL agree that the new Star Wars/Legos hybrid movie is the BEST thing that's happened to the franchise, and I'll deny anyone who would say otherwise!
Oh, yes, he can make the show... but he can't force them to show it.
Quote:Star Trek, which has an even bigger fanbase than Star Wars,
What have you been smokin', DJ? Star Trek has a tiny fanbase compared to SW. Just look at the atrocious performance of the last movie, which was the lowest-grossing Trek movie in the frachise's history. The only Trek fans that are left are some of the die-hards.
Oh, Trek has lots of fans... most of them just don't like the franchise anymore. And unlike Star Wars fans, they're actually following that up with not watching the stuff Trek is producing...
Those are just the hardcore fans, though. Mainstream America couldn't give a shit. Only the most hardcore of hardcore Trek fans remain... the lifelong devotees such as myself.
Mainstream America doesn't really care that much about Star Wars either... To listen to announcements about it on the news, or like when I skip past E3 and the remote stops working :D (okay, so it had Darth Vader on it so I decided to watch it for a bit), they basically just report it with a light hearted attitude like it's just that silly nerd stuff and then someone makes a quick joke about being someone's father or using the force and they go into some detailed report on something like "Kittens, are they too cute?" or "Ashley whatsherface is dating this other guy who's famous, but they won't tell all! WHY?!" or "there's a new movie about crossed lovers, one from New York and the other from... Scotland this time" and they seem to care a lot more about those than 'Wars, so I'm just saying that Star Wars is likely going to only get good ratings relative to CABLE shows, but won't be able to compete with the networks.
If I'm wrong though, then I guess that means someone either did something amazingly right to show people what's what, or catered to the common imbecile.
That doesn't many any sense. The SW movies make an incredible amount of money, as does all of the merchandising (video games, etc.). Trek has never been as popular.
I disagree. I submit that in the years between 1965 and 1979, Star Trek was WAY more popular than Star Wars.
Of course, Star Wars will be more popular, always. It's more accessible to the average Joe. Star Trek is (or used to be) quite a bit more cerebral and wasn't always emphasizing action.
Ryan Wrote:I disagree. I submit that in the years between 1965 and 1979, Star Trek was WAY more popular than Star Wars.
Until '77 and I'll agree with you. Haha.
Ryan Wrote:Of course, Star Wars will be more popular, always. It's more accessible to the average Joe. Star Trek is (or used to be) quite a bit more cerebral and wasn't always emphasizing action.
I love Star Trek, and at one time it used to be hugely popular. I blame Voyager, and to a lesser extent Enterprise since it did actually get good but nobody gave it a chance.
Voyager was more popular than Enterprise is.
It rode off the popularity of TNG and DS9. The show was terrible, which is why nobody even gave Enterprise a chance.
You know I disagree. But do you really want to argue about it? It's really a matter of opinion... I like the Voyager crew, if memory serves you dislike them, etc... there isn't some empirical fact that makes Voyager a bad show. Just your opinion.
Enterprise? Hmm... well, a lot of my dislike is opinion, I'll admit (like disliking some of the cast members)... but I'd like to think that not all of it is. :)
Voyager was basically TNG lite. Pudding without the fat. Enterprise was jell-o.
I'm tired.
Voyager had a lot of the nice fun stuff in there, even if it really wasn't that original. But, it had what it takes, and that was a lot of focus on sci-fi details. One thing to remember about Star Trek is that special attention is payed to making sure it's as accurate as they know how to be to how physics actually works. Yes, they got a lot wrong (showing stars wizzing by the window comes to mind), but what's more amazing is how much they actually got right. That's always been a major part of the series, Gene himself has said as much, so I do take as much interest in those parts as anything else. That said, Voyager had a lot of it.
Enterprise... I disliked it from the start. Maybe that's odd because Voyager was by Berman and Braga too, and I liked Voyager but not Enterprise (oh, Enterprise has good episodes, and improved over time. But I never quite could get past the fact that I disliked two of the main cast members... (Archer and T'Pol) I didn't dislike any of the Voyager cast like that.
Like (with the T'Pol part), I remember thinking 'I wish they'd kept Kes, they obviously replaced her with Seven for the sex appeal' but... at least Jeri Ryan could act...
If you say 'but she was meant to be like that' (T'Pol), then instead I'll blame it on bad writing. Archer... I don't know, is it the acting or the writing or both? Whatever it is, I don't like him much at all...
That's because Voyager was trying to be TNG, DJ. It did absolutely nothing original, and the writing was terrible.
Enterprise, while heavily flawed, did have some great episodes and did actually do some very original things.
Voyager's writing is better than Enterprises is, for sure...
You think that Voyager is even better than TNG. 'Nuff said.
A lot of the science concepts they went over were new, and that's enough for me, because a chunk of it was dead on accurate. That's basically WHY I watch any of the series, more than anything else actually.
Quote:You think that Voyager is even better than TNG. 'Nuff said.
TNG is definitely also a great show, though.
Considering his whole argument is that Voyager is good, your counter that he LIKES Voyager isn't exactly a good point. Wouldn't it FOLLOW that he'd like it if it was in fact good? It's not proof, but it hardly refutes his entire argument. Such statement really don't have any validity. The argument that someone works for NASA is hardly a way to prove that their opinion that what NASA has just discovered, and that person is stating, must be wrong, or that they must be ignored because they are "biased". Bias aside, if they have evidence then it doesn't matter, and if they have evidence showing something to be the case then of COURSE they will be biased towards it. Perhaps I misunderstood though...
As for me, I liked it. Sure it's not very original, but when you consider that TNG just went on and on and ripped itself off... well I'm not sure where I'm going with this but... I did like the series.
I responding to him saying that Voyager's writing was better than Enterprise's, which is funny coming from him because he also thinks that Voyager had better writing than TNG. That makes me question his judgement.
Nice try, DJ.
Nice try at what exactly? My point still stands.
No it doesn't, because your point was a response to something that you think I said, which you were mistaken about. Therefor your point is void.
Don't you know by now that logic won't help you win arguments with OB1, DJ?
It's just his standard "you are wrong because you are stupid"... which is no more logical here than anywhere else. It's called opinion, OB1. Mine is different from yours. That doesn't make it worse.
Yes you're the king of logic, ABF. If you had a bit of intelligence you'd see that DJ was mistaken and I am right, but of course to admit that I am right is simply against your religion. You're incapable of doing such a thing with that gigantic ego of yours.
I did say before that Voyager sucks, but when I called into question your judgement I was replying to your statement that Voyager had better writing than Enterprise, so I pointed out how you also think that Voyager is better than TNG. I know that you have a difficult time differentiating between separate points in an argument, but if you concentrate really hard you just might be able to understand what I'm talking about right now.
Quote:I did say before that Voyager sucks, but when I called into question your judgement I was replying to your statement that Voyager had better writing than Enterprise, so I pointed out how you also think that Voyager is better than TNG.
I interpreted that the way I'm sure it was meant, which was as an insult saying that because I like Voyager more than Enterprise my opinions on Voyager's quality have no merit... and given DJ's comments, that's how DJ took it to mean too. It's pretty clear that that's what you meant, given your track record of how you say things.
No, I was specifically talking about your comment on the writing. Again, this is an example of your oh-so-poor comprehension skills. You only read what you want to read.
Then what did you mean? How does "You like Voyager more than TNG" relate to "I think Voyager has better writing than Enterprise"? ... I don't see one... I mean, with more detail you could have a point, sure, but that one line doesn't make sense by any explanation other than what I said. If that's not it, then it's just an irrelevant statement with no point (for what does Voyager/TNG have to do with Voyager/Enterprise? I didn't compare TNG and Enterprise! Of course TNG has better writing than Enterprise...)
Believe it or not I was actually trying to make things go smoother here, not make ANOTHER argument...
All I said was that ABF's opinions on Voyager's goodness don't exactly mean his opinion on similar matters are worthless. I was just defending him, that's all. I'm sorry if I have upset you though OB1. I must not have expressed myself entirely tactfully or clearly. I'll leave you to it then.
DJ, if you could upset me that easily then I would have jumped in front of a moving train a long, long time ago. Needless to say, you're pretty damn awful at guessing emotions over the internet.
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I called into question ABF's judgement, not the quality of Voyager, not directly. I did that
earlier, but not in that specific post that you replied to.
Quote:I called into question ABF's judgement, not the quality of Voyager, not directly. I did that earlier, but not in that specific post that you replied to.
That's exactly what I thought you meant. And, as DJ and I said (even if DJ was a little off, he was right about that for sure...), it's not right.
Of course it is. Let's say that a reviewer were to give OoT, Metroid Prime, and Tetris all 5/10's. Then the reviewer gives Spyro the Dragon a 9/10. You look at his previous scores to see if he is a good judge of games, and in this hypothetical case the answer is pretty obvious.
Same exact situation here.
Yes, yes, of course..
You know, ABF, I wouldn't think any less of you if you were to actually admit when I am right.
You're not right that I have bad taste and am a poor judge of everything, that's for sure...