Damn it, wtf is wrong with you people? This controversy has been all over every newspaper and television and flyers in seedy crack houses nation-wide, and NO ONE IS HERE ARGUING ABOUT IT AT EACH OTHERS' THROATS?!? I thought I knew ye, TC... :(
Anyway, she died today. Does anyone here have a strong opinion on it? I don't, but I lean a little towards more pulling the plug (or food tube). It isn't that big of a loss, considering her condition, imo. I know that's very different for relatives and friends, but it's not as though we're talking about a FULL LIFE here. She's been in this devastated state for how many years? She's had plenty of time to vegetate. It's time for her to, for your spiritual chaps, move onto the next phase of life, for this one has little left to offer her.
It's just not a humongous deal to me. In fact, I'm a little glad that she has died already, because I'm tired of hearing and seeing the case everywhere. Now, maybe we can move on with our lives.
I don't mean to sound cruel or vicious or anything, but I am, so that's the way it comes out.
Your thoughts?
I've been puzzled over why this is big news. Stuff like this happens all of the time.
Here are my thoughts. They are kinda mixed.
1. I truly believe that she was never going to recover, and would be doomed to life as an invalid for the rest of her life. I know I personally would never want to be kept alive under such circumstances. I consider such a fate worse than death.
2. Everything I've seen and heard about Michael Schiavo has painted him to be a slime bag. He seemed desperate to get rid of his wife, and while at first I thought that was just opinion, I saw him in a live interview, and his own words and actions only strengthened my opinion. I don't believe for a second that she ever gave him a vocal will, I think he made it up to speed along his own goals, and Terri's not able to clarify.
3. Terri's parents, the Schindlers, I can understand to some degree, insofar that they refused to give up hope on their daughter. But I do not think the decision was really theirs to make, since she was married. However, they offered to take the full burden of cost to maintain their daughter, and I think her husband should have allowed it.
4. I think starvation is an awful way to kill someone, I don't care what the circumstances are. You don't starve a convicted serial killer, why treat an innocent woman like that, drag it out for almost two weeks? A lethal injection or an intentional drug overdose could have done the job much quicker and with much greater dignity. I read that by the last few days, she was so dehydrated that her skin was cracking apart.
I've thought about this a lot, kind of hard not to, and what I've decided that if I were ever to find myself in such a situation [or in a coma] I don't know what I would want. On the one hand I wouldn't want people to give up on me if there was a chance that I could recover to some degree [which a few docters said was possible in the case], but on the other hand at that point there would really be nothing of my former life left. So, I figure the only way that I could ever know what I would want is to go through an experience like that.
But, despite being brain-damaged she was still a living human being who should have had every right to live as anyone else. So, I think it was a terrible thing to cause her to die in such a way when it was clear that she would still live for some time, and even in such a state there were still people who desired to care for her and who [apparently] took some amount of joy in the fact that she was still alive.
Quote:Stuff like this happens all of the time.
I think the difference with this, aside from the fact that there was conflict between the different parts of her family, was that this wasn't a woman who was in a coma or in some terrible pain or on the verge of death. She was a living, conscious human being. I think that's why so many people have such strong opinions about this.
Ryan Wrote:Here are my thoughts. They are kinda mixed.
1. I truly believe that she was never going to recover, and would be doomed to life as an invalid for the rest of her life. I know I personally would never want to be kept alive under such circumstances. I consider such a fate worse than death.
2. Everything I've seen and heard about Michael Schiavo has painted him to be a slime bag. He seemed desperate to get rid of his wife, and while at first I thought that was just opinion, I saw him in a live interview, and his own words and actions only strengthened my opinion. I don't believe for a second that she ever gave him a vocal will, I think he made it up to speed along his own goals, and Terri's not able to clarify.
3. Terri's parents, the Schindlers, I can understand to some degree, insofar that they refused to give up hope on their daughter. But I do not think the decision was really theirs to make, since she was married. However, they offered to take the full burden of cost to maintain their daughter, and I think her husband should have allowed it.
4. I think starvation is an awful way to kill someone, I don't care what the circumstances are. You don't starve a convicted serial killer, why treat an innocent woman like that, drag it out for almost two weeks? A lethal injection or an intentional drug overdose could have done the job much quicker and with much greater dignity. I read that by the last few days, she was so dehydrated that her skin was cracking apart.
1. Agreed.
2. N/A
3. That conflicts with #1.
4. Agreed.
All I can say is dont base your conclusions in this case on propaganda online , There is so many conspiracy theories slaped on the Husband it starts to get absurd , There is alot of misinformation that even I bought into at one time a long time ago. Everyone one of us are bystanders in this , We dont know the hole facts on the matter besides the huge sentionalism on tv and online that gives you conflicting or false impressions.
Well I can agree I think it should be made not just in the U.S but my country as well if not already , That a legal document and written will is required rather then just witness testimony. In Terris case it waisnt just her husband who is the sole person claiming she told him that, Two other people witness it that night in question and also testified in court.
The fundie zealots need to shove their religous crap someone else as not everyone is christian and not all xtian demoninations or individuals interpret things the same way in the bible , Was Jesus a sinner for not trying to persserve his life instead of giving it up willing fully knowing what would happen? The bible gives permision and authority in some circumstances to take a life in the OT for example ,"eye for an eye" and all those stonings and military campaigns done by Hebrews and eventually Isreal.
Somthing both I and probaily Ryan as well can relate is that Terri Schiavo struggled with obesity a good lenght of her life ,Terri Was 250 pounds in high school so embarrased by that she didnt want to go to her prom often turned away when someone tried to take a picture.
When she got into college she told everyone she was on some sort of new "diet" nobody knew what it was but she was noticiably losing weight and got all this praise and attention for it ,Eventually she trimed down to 110 pounds in her last few years of life , Recieved alot of sexual attention like never before.
Bulimia is the cause of the incident , Its a secretive desease because they can eat a full meal with you and go vomit it out later while nobody is looking.
She lossed alot of vital nutrients and had a potassium defiency to her heart ,So it had stoped she lossed blood and oxygen flow to the brain for several minutes, Then Caused a cardiac arrest and sort of a stroke that gave her brain a further shock.
When you get into a PVS perminant vegettated state , Its not coma and its alot more significant then just some brain damage its the state of being awake but not unaware or no sentience is present. My dads old school buddy daughter was in that state her hole life because of a botched delivery done by a incompitent docter , She died a few years ago at the age of 15 and she looked pettiful never grew much her muscles were all shrunken and left completely dependant on others, Being bed ridden and motionless it probaily would have come eventually for Schiavo as well you got blood cloting and higher chances of internal infections like the Pope right now .
What happend is alot of her brain tissue was dead , Then liguified and disolved inside. The cerebral cortex thats abosolutely neccesary to have one if your gonna be abled to make your own thoughts and decisions and be sentient , Otherwise you are indeed a vegetable its like a computer with no Ram or processor and its HDD completely reset its just a blank.
You can be kept alive on auto pilot per say if you want to call it that by the lower brain stem if its still intact , Its the part that manages and controls the life support functions of the body, Does give mechanical physical responses , Retracting hands and slight jerks and movements,Blinking nobody needs to think to blink the same way we dont need to concentrate to breath or run our internal organs. When you leap in shock because a loud pow just went off behind you, I bet you never put any thought into that because its a mechanical wake up response, If you claped or caused alot of noise near a person in PVS they might jerk or move slightly in response in the same manner,Move your finger close to her eyes and it might follow it somewhat.
As for moaning and grunts even slight panting laughs , These have been reported in alot of PVS cases , Often people do this in their sleep unaware , It is mechanical as well ,Making a word or hand gestures is a big leap from just making a moan.
There has been more then one case on this matter , Plenty of reviews and apeals as well , Its probaily recieved more use of the legal and medical system then other case in a long time not just in the U.S.A but maybe the hole continent.
This is a painfulful thing , For both families on all sides , The biggest crime is if this is further milked for someones political whims. Nobody should take advantage of a families tragedy for political gain such as the anti abortion movement , I dont think there will be any to gain though, There has been more people going through this right now even in my country some old long forgotten cases have been dug up.
We are in a sitution today facing new problems we previously never had too , These artificial life sustaining technologies can keep someone who otherwise would die naturally alive and prolong there existence artificially.
It so happens both me and my father are getting a will ourselves , This could happen to any of us anyday, Car accident , Hit by a bus, Mysterious ailment ,head injury.
As for the method of starvation , Well thats not because of cruel liberalism but extreme conservatism that would view any other way as "assisted suicide", This situation is a attempt to let nature takes it course kind of thing atleast in the minds of those who refuse to allow a quicker swifter humane method , Dogs get treated better then this when they are put down we put them to sleep.
In most cases though they may require a ventilator and other machines that would simpily when removed cause death within minutes or seconds.
I dont think Terri felt anything, She had no cerebral cortex and they were giving pain killers regardless , I think the worse trauma is to the love ones force to contemplate the idea of this person slowly dieing like this any normal healthy person in this situation would be in extreme agony.
Terri Schiavo's life ended 15 years ago when she had her heart attack, her brain just stopped functioning today. That's my feeling on it, and the fact that such a thing got dragged out so much is absurd. Terri Schiavo is not the only woman who's had the plug pulled on her after her body has given up. I don't know why this case has been blown up to these absurd proportions.
All the protestors had no right to say anything about what should happen to her. Her husband wasn't the best guy, but he was her husband, and he had the most say as far as what happened to Schivao. I don't think he was just trying to get rid of his wife, but was trying to end this pitiful state she's been in for far too long. I know if a person I loved were in that position, it would be the hardest thing I'd ever have to do, but sometimes you have to consider the suffering person over your own feelings of grief and loss.
As far as Schiavo's parents, I always hear people say "nobody wants to see their child die". That is very true, I would never, ever, ever want to see any child of mine go to the grave before I do. By the same token, I would want even less to see any child of mine sit in a vegetable state, kept alive by machines for one year, <b>let alone fifteen years</b>. It's a tough call, but as Ryan pointed out, such a fate is indeed a worse fate than death.
Schiavo had a right to die, a right she'd been cruelly denied for the last fifteen years. Now she's finally found peace, and ironically, it's now going to start a giant legal war, and why? Because a woman with less than half of her brain functioning died? Because the selfish parents couldn't bear to part with their child, even keeping her suffering for so very, very long? This case is absurd no matter which angle you look at it.
Quote:4. I think starvation is an awful way to kill someone, I don't care what the circumstances are. You don't starve a convicted serial killer, why treat an innocent woman like that, drag it out for almost two weeks? A lethal injection or an intentional drug overdose could have done the job much quicker and with much greater dignity. I read that by the last few days, she was so dehydrated that her skin was cracking apart.
Illegal anywhere but Oregon, I'm pretty sure.
Quote:Schiavo had a right to die, a right she'd been cruelly denied for the last fifteen years. Now she's finally found peace, and ironically, it's now going to start a giant legal war, and why? Because a woman with less than half of her brain functioning died? Because the selfish parents couldn't bear to part with their child, even keeping her suffering for so very, very long? This case is absurd no matter which angle you look at it.
I'd be very surprised if any lawsuits the Schindlers try to raise will go anywhere...
Quote:4. I think starvation is an awful way to kill someone, I don't care what the circumstances are. You don't starve a convicted serial killer, why treat an innocent woman like that, drag it out for almost two weeks? A lethal injection or an intentional drug overdose could have done the job much quicker and with much greater dignity. I read that by the last few days, she was so dehydrated that her skin was cracking apart.
That would only be true if there was anyone inside her to feel the starvation. There wasn't, it seems pretty clear...
What do I think? I'm not sure. First, it's despicable for right-wingers to blame this on "activist judges" "defying the will of congress". Over 30 judges in 20-plus suits over seven or eight years heard this case. Every single one, conservative and liberal, sided with Michael Schiavo. That says something, and it's not in the House Republicans' favor.
Second... without a living will, it is up to whover the court says has custody, and the husband had custody. Given that it's pretty much a certainty that she would never recover, I can see why he'd want to do what he did... what do I think? It's really hard to know without experiencing the situation closer. You can say one thing now but if your family had that situation, and for fifteen years with no change to hope for... who knows. My immediate reaction is to say I wouldn't do what he did, but since she really was brain dead, is there much of a difference...
A Black Falcon Wrote:I'd be very surprised if any lawsuits the Schindlers try to raise will go anywhere...
Never underestimate the stupidity of the average American. Everybody protesting was certain that Schiavo was going to just "wake up" magically, and be a perfectly normal human being again. Yeah! To hell with logic and medical science! Give me a break. The Schindlers will sue, and they'll probably win, because people are morons.
Try finding an impartial jury for this case, everyone's got an opinion :)
This is so wrong but I can't help but laugh at it. At least someone in the world can put a light spin on all this.
Schaivo's Secret
If the brain is dead, the entire human is dead. Keeping the body fed to "preserve life" is akin to pumping someone's heart, outside of their body, because pumping is something living people do. Everything that is us is in the brain. So, if it's dead, who cares what happens to the rest of the body? I would say it can only be said to be starving in the same way that when someone dies any other way and the brain is dead the rest of the body is being starved of oxygen. It's pretty much the same thing. And, if these doctors were renowned professionals who knew what they were doing and didn't entertain flights of fantasy medicine, then I would submit their opinion on whether or not brain death has occured matters a lot more than any mere politician's.
That said, I do not know the details of this case. I don't pretend to. I don't delude myself into thinking the news had any idea of real details either (they basically just argued with each other about hearsay and conjecture, with very few concrete facts). Also, this case is not unique at all. It made the news for no good reason, because this happens all the time.
A human tragedy? Perhaps so, I won't deny that. I don't know enough to offer any more than that. However, the bigger tragedy is the failing of the news media to conduct themselves with any sort of ethics or accuracy. I say "bigger" in the sense that it has more to do with a lot more people than this mind you. The major cable news channels really are bottoming out. People for the most part don't even know what real news IS any more I think... I know I don't. I know there's something missing and this isn't what I want, but I really am not familiar with the face of the old school GOOD journalism. The kind mumsy used to talk about... All I can say is, ratings are all well and good, but I have to start demanding they STOP trying to entertain us!
You ever get the feeling people who watch "human interest" stories like this have a sense of watching a TV show to "feel" sadness in the same sense they do when watching a movie, instead of truly actually understanding what's going on?
My thoughts:
1. It was the right thing to do to let her die. I certainly wouldn't want to live the rest of my life in a vegetative state.
2. The way in which she died was wrong though. As Ryan said, she should've been given a lethal injection, not be allowed to starve to death for two weeks.
3. The poor woman did not deserve this much media attention. If I was ever in a vegetative state, I would hope to God no one would show me like that on national television. It wasn't even a national issue, it was a personal family issue. Now Terri Schiavo is a celebrity, only known for what she was like after she became a vegetable.
Some good points Geno, but I think the debate is that who are we/the government/the people to make that decision whether or not she should die. We're taking our own bias, i.e. whether or not we would want to die if we were in that position, and imposing it upon her. Guy A wants to die if that happens to him, so he thinks Terry should die. Guy B would always want to live, so Terry should be kept alive. It's only a matter of opinion. In the end, it's no one's decision but her own, and since she couldn't make it, I think that her custody should've been given to her parents. In which case she would still be alive.
Quote:kept alive by machines for one year, let alone fifteen years.
Just one point I want to make here, the only artificial assistance she had was a feeding tube. It wasn't a whole set up like it is in many cases. Just a feeding tube.
Quote:If the brain is dead, the entire human is dead.
The problem I have with that statement is that it's basically saying that "she's not alive enough, so we should just kill her the rest of the way". I think that view is just wrong, even a person who is in state like Terri was in should have the right to live, if that is their wish. The problem is we don't know what she would have wanted, aside from the husband saying that one time she commented that she wouldn't want to live like that, which is circumstancial at best.
Terri was never allowed to decide for herself. In either case someone was deciding for her. That's the tragedy here.
She couldn't decide for herself. Saying that she wasn't "allowed" is misleading.
In most cases starving someone to death would be cruel, but from what I understand the court apointed doctors agreed with the husbands docters in that the portion(s) of her brain capable of feeling pain and hunger were no longer functioning, so in this particular case it was not cruel.
Darunia Wrote:Some good points Geno, but I think the debate is that who are we/the government/the people to make that decision whether or not she should die. We're taking our own bias, i.e. whether or not we would want to die if we were in that position, and imposing it upon her. Guy A wants to die if that happens to him, so he thinks Terry should die. Guy B would always want to live, so Terry should be kept alive. It's only a matter of opinion. In the end, it's no one's decision but her own, and since she couldn't make it, I think that her custody should've been given to her parents. In which case she would still be alive.
Another mistake is that its soley the husband who heard her say this, Two other people were present to hear her claim this, But what this does show is that we all need legal wills even now and thats what I am doing soon myself as is my dad.
In this issue if your a judge you cant just play god point your finger and do this and that , People think they are trying to do this which is slanderous shit , They have to follow the rules to the letter and way out the different legal factors , There is another issue here called the "saunctity of marriage" were a spouse has a right to decide the medical treatment for His/Her mate , Just because Terris parents born and raised her doesnt mean they own her , She is not property to barterd back and fourth thats what her husband has said on a interview with CNN explaining why he has never given in to pressures,demands, even bribes to give up his wife by the parents and their supporters, Sombody offerd Micheal Schiavo 10 million dollars if he devourced Terri and gave her back to her family , He didnt budge and never gave in.
When you sign a marriage contract this is also the risk you take , Thats why they say "who gives this women to this man" during the ceremony and "do you take this man as your lawfyl weded husband" , Marriages is the final seperation from your own parents household so in a way your leaving the pride to start your own.
Personally in my situation I would have made the effort or an attempt to honnor the wishes but I dont think would have gone as far as he did unless there was indeed a written will ,Thats just my opinion doesnt make Mike Schiavo wrong for his ,He has literally risked his own neck and safety for this sombody also put a 250,000$ bounty on his head and 50,000 to also kill Judge Greer, "so much for culture of life". I have more faith in judges then politicians , You cant trust politicians because it could be either self motivated or special interest motivated, they could just be interested soley in scoring points like John Kerry who strongly supported the war when it was popular and then easily fliped over once public views changed.
Judges have to be completely impartial no bias no personal opinion sure they may have their own feelings but they cant play favorites or put their religous beliefs into it or make decisions to appease the public mob like in ancient Rome.
Do you think Judge Greer gets anything out of this case except now having to worry for his family and his own safety? Also fearing backlash from his superiors and the public ! When the mob starts to gain so much power that Judges can no longer follow the rules out of fear of retaliation your society will crumble descend into choas. Sombody could have just as easily assinated Judge Etto for letting OJ go free , How about the civil rights movement the judge gets threatend by the mob if the negro doesnt get hanged regardless of guilt or innocence as the public has already tried and convicted him in their minds.
Judge Greer the primary magistrate in this case, Was hand selected by Jeb Bush ,He is a southern Baptist and a registerd Republican , He is not a liberal activist.
Quote:She couldn't decide for herself. Saying that she wasn't "allowed" is misleading.
Either way, the decision was made by someone else whether she would live or die and she never had the oppurtunity/ability to say what she wanted.
Quote:Either way, the decision was made by someone else whether she would live or die and she never had the oppurtunity/ability to say what she wanted.
When that is impossible, someone has to decide.
A Black Falcon Wrote:When that is impossible, someone has to decide.
OB1 Wrote:Right.
*TC implodes*
*remembers date*
Haha, nevermind, false alarm. Whew, I was worried for a second there.
Yeah, I was starting to get a bit scared too. :)
Gotcha!
Or something.
What?
Actually, I do agree with ABF.
In my mind I just pronounce that like "abf", not "A.B.F".
The question is who, and the courts decided that.
Quote:Actually, I do agree with ABF.
In my mind I just pronounce that like "abf", not "A.B.F".
You pronounce it "Abbiff"?
I can see OB1 saying it that way. I'm probably Ehm, you're Sijj, GR is probably Grr, and Ryan is probably...Ryan.
I'VE MADE MY POINT.
Yeah, I thought it was freaky that ABF and OB1 agreed, but... this whole day has been freaky. You are now entering... The Scary Door!
Quote: GR is probably Grr
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Age-old question: is my named pronounced GEE-noh or JEE-noh? I used to pronounce it GEE-noh because my friends did, but my dad pronounces it JEE-noh. (The one time that I ever let him know my online name.) I know Geno is a real name that some people have, but I've never heard it pronounced, only seen it spelled, like in the credits of a show or a movie.
I always pronounced your name with a soft G, you know like "Geez! OB1 and Abbiff agree!"
It just seems so wrong to kill her like they did... so many people spoke out against it, especially her parents, and the courts forbade them saving her! What power of life and death do they have to do that? If anyone was willing to take custody and care of her, she should've been given to them... i.e. her parents. If there's a way to keep her alive, take it. In this case, it's shameful. I'm 100% for euthanasia, but this is so very different from that. We'll never know what she would've wanted. Ever.
And we never would have. That's the point. Her brain was almost gone, she was never going to say another word again. She wasn't a kid anymore, what happened to her was in the hands of her husband, and that's just how it is.
Why keep her alive? What would be the point? She's been virtually dead for fifteen years, how long were they supposed to have her fill a bed that a person that needs more medical attention that her could use? I can understand not wanting to let go of your wife/daughter because you love them, but come on. She was gone. Their denial and, yes, their selfishness were all that kept her lifeless husk in this world. Now she's moved on, and hopefully everyone else whining about this will too.
EM, one problem there. A person needing medical attention isn't going to be forced to sleep on the floor because of her. I don't think there's a bed shortage in America today... I mean, heaven has a chair shortage, but that's about it.
I wasn't saying there was, I was just making a point.
It may sound insensitive, but Terri Schiavo was nothing more than a waste of space. She's been suspended on the brink of death for 15 years, and keeping her "alive" that long was far crueler than removing her feeding tube.
Quote:EM, one problem there. A person needing medical attention isn't going to be forced to sleep on the floor because of her. I don't think there's a bed shortage in America today... I mean, heaven has a chair shortage, but that's about it.
While I agree with EM, I have to admit, you have a point. All she needed for survival was a feeding tube. The parents could have easily taken care of her in their own homes.
On the other hand, I believe that the marital bond between a man and a woman should override that of either spouse's parents. This should be a set rule, because no jury should be the one to decide which party loves Terry more and knows what's best for her. Michael seems like, and could very well be, a scum bag who's only after the wealth his wife has bequeathed him. I feel it's his right as a husband, though, to retain custody of his wife.
I would feel the same way if the situation were reversed, and the husband wanted to keep her alive, while the parents wished to let her go. It just so happens that I agree with the husband - she's lived long enough as a vegetable, and it's time for her, along with everyone else, to move on.
Sacred Jellybean Wrote:
*TC implodes*
APRIL FOOLS
and it's better than anything I could have come up with!
On the matter of custody, Florida law states that the spouse is the first choice for custody in such matters.
I'm glad it's over. I hope that poor woman rests in peace. God knows she's been through way too much lately.
Agreed, SJ, I feel that the parents stop having say in the affairs of their children once they are married. Michael Schiavo's word should have been the one followed. What happened to her was nobody elses business.
Why this woman's case has been so blown out of proportion baffles me. People have the plug pulled on them every day.
What I don't understand is why the left of America bitch and moan about the practice of painlessly killing convicted murderers, yet they fight very hard to allow the killing of both unborn infants and invalid adults, both innocent.
So much for the sanctity of life.
The religious/anti-abortion right, EM, the religious right...
Quote:What I don't understand is why the left of America bitch and moan about the practice of painlessly killing convicted murderers, yet they fight very hard to allow the killing of both unborn infants and invalid adults, both innocent.
So much for the sanctity of life.
I never saw that as a left/right issue, but yes, it would be a bit hypocritical for one to take all those stances simultaneously.
That's explained by saying that death row people deserve it because of their crimes while the others don't... but yes, it is hypocritical.
Ryan, these are the people who kill doctors to save unborn fetuses. Don't try to make any sense of them, they're nutjobs.
It's not a left/right thing. As for abortion, I only support it in extreme circumstances (i.e. rape or if the mother's life is threatened) and as for euthenasia, only if the case is similar to Schiavo's, and I believe in lethal injection, not starving the person to death.
On the issue of the death penalty... to be honest, I think life in prison is a harsher punishment than a quick and painless death, but that's just me. I really don't feel too strongly either way about the death penalty except that innocent people sometimes get convicted.
The circumstances by which someone is created are irrelevant.
Anyway, let me first say this. Under this situation, we do not know enough at all to make any sort of opinion on THIS particular case. We can state what we believe about general cases where we can just come up with the circumstances ourselves, but not a real one we don't know the details about.
So, let's just go ahead and debate the concept of killinatin' people while they sleep.
If the brain is still alive, the person is alive. If the brain is dead, the person is dead. That's the way I think... no... that's what medical science KNOWS... is true. Basically, under the situation in which someone's brain is dead, nothing more than an empty head, keeping the body alive is not keeping the person alive. Any action you take on the body does nothing at all to the person. Keeping the blood flowing is little more than a form of preserving the dead. It's really no different than mummification. I wouldn't say that putting a mummy into a moist environment is akin to killing them "more", because they are dead, long dead, and that's only an action of preserving as much of the body as possible. Here's what I suggest in cases of brain dead people on "life" support. They are plants, harvest them! Let's start giving people who's brains are still alive, and thus ARE alive, a fighting chance by harvesting organs, bit by bit, until there's nothing but an empty sack of skin left on that bed.
Some guy listening to this radical suggestion by a mad scientist: That's... that's MONSTROUS!
DJ: Yeah, I know.