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Quote:The Legend of Zelda: The Reins of Sorrow
KA Monthly recently had the chance to sit down with Nintendo producer/director Eiji Aonuma, who discussed with us some interesting details concerning the forthcoming Zelda title for the Gamecube.
The game, a sequel to 2003's smash hit The Wind Waker, will feature a new Link, one "whose personality thrives on his emotions." The game is also said to be more character-driven, with "Link having a deeper and introspective personality," one that reflects "the sheer magnitude of his determination and sense of solitude."
Gameplay elements were also discussed: "The game will feature an even larger world than the previous titles, so exploration will be the key." To traverse this vast land, Link will now have to set up camp and rely on a magical item: the reins of sorrow. "Link's new friend is a horse named Poseidon, whom he saves from drowning in a flood caused by a terrible storm. On Poseidon's back are the magical bridles, the reins of sorrow, which allow the horse to transform into various beings." Some 'beings' mentioned were an eagle and a wolf.
More details on The Reins of Sorrow will be reported as soon as they come in. Expect a summer 2005 release for the Gamecube.
Most people are yelling FAKE and they're probably right, but I hope it's true. The name, which everyone says is un-Zelda-like (they said the same thing about "The Baton of Wind"), doesn't sound too bad, and I love that there would be huge environments with tons of exploring to do as well as giving Link an actual personality. That would go a long way to make Zelda actually mature, not just "OMG teh realistim en darknes!!" fake mature. The changing into different creatures thing would be very MM-like, and I love the idea of camping out.
I'm sure a lot of people would cry their eyes out if Link were given some depth, because "you totally BECOME Link OMG!!", blah blah blah, but if you guys really want to see the Zelda series mature then it's going to have to have a good story, and giving Link a personality would really add to that.
Personally speaking, I'd love to see a Zelda game where you play as someone other than Link, or maybe OoT Link's son. You could fight along side the Link you played as in OoT and MM (or possibly even WW's Link), which would make it possible to give Link some real character development and truly see him as a legend (ala MGS2), and then maybe have him die somewhere in in the game.
They could even make it so that the character you play as (Link's son), isn't as strong as his father, and cannot become the next hero. That could help explain why in between OoT and WW Ganon was able to take over Hyrule and there was no Link to help stop him. I think that would be really cool, playing a game where your character realizes that he's not actually strong enough to defeat the bad guy. It would be really dark, but there are so many things you could do with an idea like that. Too bad most of Nintendo's fans would lynch them for something like that. You know how much Nintendo fans hate change!
Anyhow, I'm just rambling, coming up with ideas as I type.
It sounds plenty cool to me. Personally, I don't care how they do the game, traditionally or with a touch of innovation, I just want it to be a good, fun game. Change can be a good thing or it can be a bad thing, and I would trust Nintendo to handle it right. Whatever the case, I'm sure the new Zelda game is going to rock. I'll let Nintendo worry about how they're going to make it rock.
Some change like that would do a like of good for the series, I think. Anyway, I like those ideas and having to camp out does suggest that we're going to get a much larger world and one that's not "sailing around all over the place looking for islands". You know what Zelda doesn't have enough? Forests. When you think about it there haven't been many large forests in a Zelda, so let's get a huge forest going for this one. Also, I like the idea of having a companion that can change shapes. You could have the horse for riding, the eagle to survey your surroundings from hundreds of feet up, and the wolf to scout ahead for danger or something like that. Also, a more character-driven story could be a really great thing here, since when you come right down to it we really don't know that much about Link. We've been playing games about him for years, but who, really, is HE? I'm sure that there's a lot that they can do with that.
Indeed. I hope this rumor is true.
And I agree about the forests thing, and juding by those early screens it looks like we'll get at least one nice forest.
Well--these new ideas scare me, but then again, so did the changes in WW--and while that was a poor Zelda, it was a good game. But I digress...and the idea of an even bigger world is awesome and excellent...BUT I BETTER HAVE SOME GORONS IN IT!! And more than the pathetic wandering Goron traders like in WW.
Yeah, it'd be nice to see the Gorons, Zoras, Kokiri, and possibly the Gerudos again. They've become Zelda icons as of late. The only Zora and Kokiri we saw in WW were the ghosts of sages, and I don't recall seeing a single Gerudo in all of WW. (Well, unless you wanna count Ganondorf.)
I'm playing through Wind Waker right now. Fun game. A bit easy for a Zelda game though. The puzzles are elementary compared to those in Ocarina of Time. Hell, I don't think I ever had to look up help from a walkthrough.
I never found any of the OoT puzzles to be particular tough, so WW wasn't much different for me. The 2d games though... man...
Probably fake. If it was real it'd have made it to the major news sites. A neat idea, but not real I think...
Well Geno, actually all those species only appeared in OOT and MM. Before that, they didn't exist. After that, well a few gorons in WW but that's it. Honestly, each new age having it's own species lets them have the freedom to make some really cool species. They need not be BOUND to include them all in every game.
Capcom however saw fit to include them all in the Oracle games (though not in Four Swords). That's them though.
Different kind of Zora. :p
Where were the gorons in WW? I don't remember them...
A Black Falcon Wrote:Different kind of Zora. :p
Still a zora!
Sacred Jellybean Wrote:Where were the gorons in WW? I don't remember them...
One of them was a store owner, I think.
No, those are the bad other River Zora group or something... I don't know... yeah, DJ is wrong. :)
But it is true that the OoT Zoras have little in common with the LttP ones.
Oh, and is the guy who shoots at you from the water in LoZ supposed to be a Zora? I have no idea, but I'm sure people here know...
after playing LttP, i always thought he was.
Hey who says there can't be bad Zoras as well as good ones? Remember that OoT takes place long before LttP, and the Zoras turned into birds in WW, so however many years after WW LttP takes place the Zora turned back into sea creatures... ugly, evil sea creatures.
OB1 Wrote:One of them was a store owner, I think.
What island is that on?
Oh yes, the river zora... Those things appear to be a totally different species, sharing little more than the same name...
Come to think of it, the zora of OOT are fresh water, but in MM they are salt water, then in Oracles they are salt water and refer to the evil zora as the river sora, suggesting they are fresh water creatures... I dunno... Anyway, river zora aren't even in OOT are they? Hmm, maybe the evil zora were created by Ganon? You know, some twisted form of the zora Ganon made?
And also, one of them sells you flippers...
Zelda 1... Well according to this instruction booklet with the detailed (and ugly as sin) hand drawn image of one...
Zola (yes, an L, possibly a translation issue) - Half-fish, half-woman who lives in the water. When she sticks her head out of the water she lets out a ball that Link's little shield can't hold back.
So anyway, there ya go, Zor/la have always been a mainstay as an ENEMY in the series, but OOT was the first time they actually became things you could interact with (aside from buying flippers), and they were VERY different anyway. Oh well... Anyway, are those random falling rocks what gorons used to be? :D
Since the Japanese confuse L and R so much, I'd ascribe that to translation... it is kind of weird how the Zoras don't have a consistent look or habitat, but hey... it's Zelda. They make each game thinking about just that game, not how to explain how a race goes from freshwater to (on another planet) saltwater to turning into birds to turning back into now-evil creatures that live in both fresh and saltwater but mostly fresh, etc...
Heh, it would be funny if the falling rocks were the Gorons... :D
Sacred Jellybean Wrote:What island is that on?
Beats me.
Oh SJ, there were 3 Goron shopkeeps around the sea. One was on the smaller island of the Mother and Child islands, another was on what remains of Greatfish Island, and the 3rd... I forget, but it's somewhere in the southeast part of the map...
Anyway, they were all part of the subquest involving getting all the really nifty keen stuff for the eskimo shopkeep at Windfall. (Yes I said eskimo, I really have no idea if he's inuit or not so a more generic term will have to suffice.)
Aren't the things that shoot at you from the water called Octoroks? I don't know, I haven't played LTTP in a while. And I've barely played the first LoZ at all.
But you know what really doesn't make sense to me at all? In WW, the Sage of Earth is Medli of the Rito, a tribe of bird people, whereas the Sage of Wind is Makar of the Koroks, a tribe of leaf people. Wouldn't it make more sense if it was the other way around? I mean, they can both fly, but only one can plant seeds!
i think they replaced the river zora with octoroks in OoT since the zora were good guys.
Oktoroks are the octopus-shaped guys. Zoras are the ones in the water who swim and constantly take potshots at you. If you want to be sure just look in the manual of the GBA version. :D (no more "Zola"s)
Well actually, sage of water and sage of forest... And their roles apparently have changed... But hey, your need for them to be sages that represent their abilities is racist!
Geno: and YOU are a huge nerd!
DJ: Okay... I have something to admit... I wish the real world was like the world of Zelda and I've taken actual steps in making that a reality. There, I said it.
Geno: You are totally insane in a VERY stupid way. There, I said THAT!
We now go to the case of "Angry Discriminated Video Game Races v. Geno".
Lawyer: Geno, on the afternoon of December 18th, 2004, do you recall making a statement along the lines of "Shouldn't Makar, a leaf person, be the Sage of Earth, and Medli, a bird person, be the Sage of Wind, and not the other way around?"
Geno: I do not recall.
Lawyer: But do you uphold these beliefs?
Geno: I do not recall.
Lawyer: Are you wearing ladies' underwear?
Geno: I do not recall.
Lawyer: No further questions.
Judge: (Bangs gavel.) I love doing that. Now then, I'd like the clients' lawyer to take the floor.
Lawyer #2: I call to the stand... Link.
(Various Links from various Zelda games sit in the audience, looking at each other confusedly.)
Lawyer #2: From Outset Island.
Cel-Shaded Link: (Takes the stand.)
Lawyer #2: Now, Link, do you recall this man ever using such degarding terms on the Korok and Rito peoples as "Leaf People" and "Earth People"?
Link: ... (Is a mute.)
Lawyer #2: Do you recall him ever claiming that Makar, the Sage of Wind, should instead be the Sage of Earth, and that Medli, the Sage of Earth, should instead be the Sage of Wind?
Link: ...
Lawyer #2: And do you recall him grouping them based on the fact that they can fly, and then separating them into "categories" based on Makar's ability to plant seeds and Medli's inability to do the same?
Link: ...
Lawyer #2: No further questions. You see, your honor, Link does not recall any of these circumstances for which my client is being tried either. Also, I'm Johnny Cochran.
Judge: The court finds Geno guilty of being a spirit from a higher plane using a small child's doll as a vessel to travel the Earth as a human, take him away.
Geno: Hey! I find that racist! Raciiiiiist! (Is taken away by security guards.)
Coming up... some guy sues his girlfriend because he gave her his television set while he was drunk and he wants it back. And the elephant sues the zookeeper for sexual harassment.
Me: In Soviet Russia defendant sues YOU!
Joseph Stalin: I don't find that very amusing.
Me: Well nobody cares what you think because you're DEAD!
Joseph Stalin: :(
Carl Marx: I'm not dead!
Me: Yes you are.
Carl Marx: :(
Link: ...
Boris Yeltsin: Oh...his name's "Putin". Haha, I just got that!
Vladimir Putin: :(
Me: Where did all of you guys come from anyway?
Nikita Kruschev: You guys know what's the funniest thing ever? A man wearing women's clothing! Hahaha!
Everyone else: ...
Nikita Kruschev: Well I think it's funny. :(
Mikhail Gorbachev: I miss being the leader of Russia.
Ivan III (The Great): At least you're not dead like me!
Ivan IV (The Terrible): What the...?! Why does mine say "Terrible"?!
Alexander Kerensky: I only got to be the leader for 3 months. :(
Ivan III (The Great): Because you're were a terrible leader...and you suck.
Alexander Kerensky: :(
Rasputin the Mad Monk: I might not have been a Russian leader, but I did do some crazy stuff back in the day! And I got killed because I was crazy.
Lenoid Brezhnev: Yeah, well at least people remember you for something. I was in power for nearly 18 years and hardly anyone remembers who I am! 18 years!! I need some vodka...
Yuri Andropov: I could use some too, let's got hit some bars or something.
Everyone besides GR: *leaves to get vodka*
Konstantin Chernenko: Uh...hello? Is anyone here?
Me: I'm still here.
Konstantin Chernenko: Where did everyone go?
Me: They went out to get some vodka.
Konstantin Chernenko: They didn't invite me...
Me: Because you suck.
Konstantin Chernenko: :(
Russia: *explodes*
Ukraine: *doesn't explode*
Mongolia: *just sits there*
Black Hole: *eats Konstantin Chernenko's banana*
Konstantin Chernenko: My banana!!
hahahaha :D:D:D
I always thought the Zoras began as a peaceful race and were inlisted during the Hylian wars against the Gerudo as messengers (the Gossip stones talk about it in OoT). Then after Ganon completely took over the Triforce (minus the Courage) all peaceful creatures were transformed in to monsters. That was in Zelda 1. So it would make sense that the Zoras became evil.
As far as the bird people go, I think the WW story takes place in a dream world, or the Sacred Realm. In OoT, Ganon was sealed off in to the Sacred Realm and WW takes place after OoT, like 50 to 100 years after it. Ganon finds a way to attack Hyrule by putting everything in a bubble and making people exist in the Sacred Realm ala The Matrix. But even though Hyrule is saved and real people continue their lives, their echoes still exist in the sacred realm and continue their lives as well in a dream world.
In the Sacred Realm, the Triforce reflected their real-world counterparts. Land became water because of the violennt change that Ganon has brought, signifying a barrier between the real world and the Sacred Realm. Gorons, who live in peace in the mountains find themselves as wandering salesman with no place to go. The Zora, messengers to the King of Hyrule during the war, became free-flying postmen who deliver messages to all people. Etc etc.
It's very iconic... or i'm just looking too hard. :D
Geno Wrote:We now go to the case of "Angry Discriminated Video Game Races v. Geno".
Lawyer: Geno, on the afternoon of December 18th, 2004, do you recall making a statement along the lines of "Shouldn't Makar, a leaf person, be the Sage of Earth, and Medli, a bird person, be the Sage of Wind, and not the other way around?"
Geno: I do not recall.
Lawyer: But do you uphold these beliefs?
Geno: I do not recall.
Lawyer: Are you wearing ladies' underwear?
Geno: I do not recall.
Lawyer: No further questions.
Judge: (Bangs gavel.) I love doing that. Now then, I'd like the clients' lawyer to take the floor.
Lawyer #2: I call to the stand... Link.
(Various Links from various Zelda games sit in the audience, looking at each other confusedly.)
Lawyer #2: From Outset Island.
Cel-Shaded Link: (Takes the stand.)
Lawyer #2: Now, Link, do you recall this man ever using such degarding terms on the Korok and Rito peoples as "Leaf People" and "Earth People"?
Link: ... (Is a mute.)
Lawyer #2: Do you recall him ever claiming that Makar, the Sage of Wind, should instead be the Sage of Earth, and that Medli, the Sage of Earth, should instead be the Sage of Wind?
Link: ...
Lawyer #2: And do you recall him grouping them based on the fact that they can fly, and then separating them into "categories" based on Makar's ability to plant seeds and Medli's inability to do the same?
Link: ...
Lawyer #2: No further questions. You see, your honor, Link does not recall any of these circumstances for which my client is being tried either. Also, I'm Johnny Cochran.
Judge: The court finds Geno guilty of being a spirit from a higher plane using a small child's doll as a vessel to travel the Earth as a human, take him away.
Geno: Hey! I find that racist! Raciiiiiist! (Is taken away by security guards.)
Coming up... some guy sues his girlfriend because he gave her his television set while he was drunk and he wants it back. And the elephant sues the zookeeper for sexual harassment.
Hahaha, that was great.
Mine was better...still, his was funny.
No his was funnier. And "Putin" wouldn't be funny to Russians since they pronounce it correctly, and there's nothing funny about the right pronunciation. :p
Quote:there's nothing funny about the right pronunciation.
Yeah, but Boris Yeltsin doesn't know that.
Viktor Yushchenko: I gotta agree with OB1, it wasn't that funny. So after I got poisened it made me look old. What's up with THAT?!
Me: Those dang communists! Always doin' stuff...and...and crazy things.
So...wait a second. The Zora became the Rito in WW? I don't remember hearing that. When do you find that out?
If anything, I thought they all became little Andy Rooney's who gave you information if you fed them.
Geno, how do you pronounce your real name again?
How did you miss that... not paying much attention to the story?
Dark Jaguar Wrote:Geno, how do you pronounce your real name again?
Star heart musical note question mark... or something like that. I haven't played Super Mario RPG in a while.
That's how you spell it, say it!
Geno: Actually, in order for mortals to say it they would have to psychically vibrate the space around them at a frequency that would shatter their own world...
DJ: That's just an excuse!
Ya notice that Geno is supposed to be a massively popular new hero toy in the Mushroom kingdom (hence why that spirit picks it as a host), but the ONLY time in the entire series where you hear about that guy is that very toy owned by that very kid. I want to know where the REAL Geno is!
I've wondered about the real Geno too. Now that Nintendo and Square are together again, maybe we could learn of Geno's origin. Probably won't happen, but it'd be cool if they did another Super Mario RPG (not another Paper Mario) that took us to the real Geno's world, and the real Geno became a party member. He'd probably look like a "real boy" version of the Geno from Super Mario RPG.
Geno: But I am a real boy! *nose grows*
Edenmaster you frikin toolbar.
A relative to the little bird girl is a Zora girl! She has BLOOD TIES to her! As does the Korok (living trees) to the Kokiri boy who looks alot like Link if he was a real elf and not Hylian. One of the bird people even talked about how they fly now, but he has memories of the sea, like he once lived there.
Lord Jabu Jabu moved to Outset Island to hide one of the Pearls and Volvagia took roost on top of what is left of Death mountain, where the bird people now reside (volvagia was said to be a great protector before Ganon got a hold of him).
Geno comes from the mystical Star Road silly (which now has stitches all over it :D).
Actually, Nintendo could have stuck Geno in any game they wanted to. They do own pretty much everything Square made in that game, except, as I mentioned, probably the Final Fantasy music stuck in during the Culex battle.
But yeah, Square-Enix would be best for the job of making another Mario RPG with that battle system.
It'd also be interesting to see what's become of Mallow and the rest of Nimbus Land. And other Super Mario RPG characters like Croco, Booster, Valentina, Boshi, Frogfucious, etc.
As far as Zelda goes, I have finished my second trip through Wind Waker and am now playing A Link to the Past. I never finished this game, so I'm going to try and do that now. I just arrived at the second dungeon. I'd like to see its connection to the Hyrulian legacy.
It's a pretty huge one :D.
I love wise Frogfucious! Most hilarious Sage EVAR!
*floats in magically, then you notice a fishing line, then you notice Lakitu...*
ITS 4 IN THE MORNING AND I'M NAKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MAN ITS COLD
I feel sad right now. I had a dream that this Reigns of Sorrow thing was confirmed to be true, and I was really happy about it and wanted to come to TC to tell everyone the great (IMO) news.
Now I just realized that it was all a dream.
I hate good dreams for that very reason. I wish I could live in a good dream forever and never have to wake up!
Been watching too much Vampire Princess Miyu? :)
No, I've actually never heard of it. But for many years, I've fantasized about the idea of living in my own dreams... good dreams, of course.