Tendo City

Wow.

Sorry, I just don't plan on getting that remodel. That is, until they announce a way to hook up a PS2 HDD to it, like via some adapter or something. Well, actually not even then, because my PS2 works just fine (except the controllers wig out on me now and again, I think I need some compressed air for the connectors or something...)

Well I think the fact that it has no HDD support shows how much Sony plans to support it in the future aside from FFXI. And even the Socom guys are working on ways to give non-HDD owners the same stuff the HDD people get.

My PS2 is on its death bed and I need to get a network adapter for Rise of the Kusai, so I might get a pstwo if the price drops next year or if my PS2 breaks.

They're barely larger than a DVD case.

Coolest redesign ever.

Yeah, DJ, it doesn't have HDD support. Remember, I posted a rumor saying that like a few weeks back? Well it happened.

Depeding on how well my PS2 continues to work, I might get the new model. Hopefully they'll price it at about $100 or less.

It's already out, and costs as much as a regular PS2.

Well, that's dumb.

:nodding:

I know, that's what I said ABF.

And if it costs the same, why would anyone ever get that, ever?

They'll probably stop producing and stocking the old PS2s in a couple months, just like they did with the PS1. You'd have a tough time finding an early-model PS1 outside of eBay or used-game stores.

Mine still works fine, even after my unhealthy, six-month obsession with FFX. Then again, Sony is NOT known for their quality hardware, especially on the PS2. If this one bites the dust I might buy the new model, or if I got another good year or two left in the one I have, simply wait for PS3. Otherwise, I'm fine with the one I have.

Dark Jaguar Wrote:I know, that's what I said ABF.

And if it costs the same, why would anyone ever get that, ever?

For one thing it's drastically smaller than the original model, so you'd be saving a lot of space. And it's a top-loader which makes it more durable and less problematic than the tray system.

I dunno, my PS1 still works as perfectly as the day I got it. All you really need to do is take care of it. Plus, what with the much safer tray system (preventing, you know, the lense from getting horribly exposed and the spindle from getting damaged), honestly I wouldn't want to "downgrade" my system. Really, unless it's a handheld, the size of the system doesn't matter to me.

I can see the PS2 being phased out though, what with the PS3 coming out later on. It's just odd they don't have SOME way to hook up the HDD. I mean, there are a decent number of really good games, small yes, but enough that I'd think they would WANT to oblige them. Namely, Resident Evil Outbreak pretty much needs it. Sure, you can run the game, in the same way a human can run up mount everest, but really, it DOES need it to be played decently at all. The PSOne ditched the system link port though, which WAS supported by some games, and a couple good ones, so this isn't a first. No matter, so long as the PS3 has the HDD. If it's there from the start, all is well. After all, a hard disk really is just about required these days, for all the goodnessess they allow.

Production on old-model PS2s ceased several months ago. Leading up to this redesign, my store recieved almost no units for almost three months.

The disc tray system is much more problematic than the open-top system.

If Sony wants to make a real change add 4 ports , Somthing people would care about and could be used.

The Hardrive waisnt a failure , It was just never attempted , Sony's hardrive failed because nobody would support because nobody had it and nobody had it because nobody supported it.

Microsoft is more in the wrong for their HDD, It was built in! To me they should have gotten their first party and second party games demonstrate what the HDD could do on offline games first ,MS were total novices , The only good use of the hardrive right now is customizable music if you dont have xbox live,Ive been tempted to get Xbox live since I own two games that have options for it, KOTOR and Mechassault.But right now money isnt so abundant.HDD isnt as good on Xbox as it could have been because like you all know most games are just beefed up ports of Ps2 games.

You have no idea what you are talking about, by which I mean, all the things you claim to know about are completely flawed.

The XBox hard drive has been used with pretty great effect on that system. The music thing is pointless, I have NEVER used that. Live's downloadable stuff is pretty nice, and it's enough to justify it most certainly, but ALSO there's the ability to get huge expansions without having to buy a whole new game. DOA for example had that, even though honestly I'll never play that game, it was a good use.

And the PS2 has 3 games, not minor ones, MAJOR ones, that make GREAT use of it. REOutbreak is almost unplayable without the drive. Socom can't be expanded without it, and FFXI needs it entirely.

Hard drives are NEEDED in the future. Sure, there's the whole "well, you could have a burnable medium", but that's just stupid. I've used burning drives, and there is just WAAAAAY too much wrong with the idea of using that as the sole means of recording data. One, the chance for errors. Disks can be burnt "bad" just far too often for it to ever be viable. Worse than that, if a power outage or even something minor occurs like the system being bumped, YOUR DISK IS RUINED FOREVER, and there IS NO DEFENCE AGAINST IT. The other issue is speed. Burning drives are pretty fast these days, but it still takes minutes to get anything done, and waiting that long compaired to mere seconds for the HDD, well, the choice is obvious.

Maybe a decade, or even 5 years, from now, it could be viable, but it will NOT be an option by the time the next gen systems come out. So, ALL the next systems will NEED hard drives (or MAYBE super sized memory cards, but even though they are faster and more secure than hard disks, an equal size card is far more expensive). Memory cards had their time, but the people, ie, me, demand a LOT more space. So, they all need HDs, and they need them included with the system. A personal WANT of mine (though my XBox HD is not even near being filled, and I doubt it will be by the time the XB2 comes out), is for the HD to also be removable and replacable with extra ones sold seperatly.

Now, as for the PSTwo (which I have finally had the pleasure of seeing, seems it's not actually called a PSTwo, Sony just didn't even name the remodel), I still think a way to get that HD attached. Looking at it, there is no extra port on it for something like that. However, there are still the USB ports. Simply put, just use a port for the HD. Since those games are all on HD, they can be easily updated to use the USB port online (via a disk they can ship to you that does the job of setting all that up for you). The nice thing about the PS2 USB ports is they are just like most USB ports, they can be expanded very easily. Just use any standard USB multitap, such as for example USB ports found on a lot of USB keyboards, and you get a lot more USB ports from that. Boom, you can plug in all sorts of stuff. I know this because I've done this myself with Socom. So, all Sony need do is release that little adapter, and then the companies with those games just need to release that disk.

Two extra controller ports, nice idea if there were a decent number of party games on the PS2. One thing, it wouldn't work with PS2 and PS1 games if they finally added them to the PS3. The way the PS1 and PS2 multitaps work sorta totally prevent them from being usable that way. One would still need multitaps for those two system's games, as the 3rd and 4th ports would be "dead" when playing them.

Dark Jaguar Wrote:You have no idea what you are talking about, by which I mean, all the things you claim to know about are completely flawed.

The XBox hard drive has been used with pretty great effect on that system. The music thing is pointless, I have NEVER used that. Live's downloadable stuff is pretty nice, and it's enough to justify it most certainly, but ALSO there's the ability to get huge expansions without having to buy a whole new game. DOA for example had that, even though honestly I'll never play that game, it was a good use.

And the PS2 has 3 games, not minor ones, MAJOR ones, that make GREAT use of it. REOutbreak is almost unplayable without the drive. Socom can't be expanded without it, and FFXI needs it entirely.

Hard drives are NEEDED in the future. Sure, there's the whole "well, you could have a burnable medium", but that's just stupid. I've used burning drives, and there is just WAAAAAY too much wrong with the idea of using that as the sole means of recording data. One, the chance for errors. Disks can be burnt "bad" just far too often for it to ever be viable. Worse than that, if a power outage or even something minor occurs like the system being bumped, YOUR DISK IS RUINED FOREVER, and there IS NO DEFENCE AGAINST IT. The other issue is speed. Burning drives are pretty fast these days, but it still takes minutes to get anything done, and waiting that long compaired to mere seconds for the HDD, well, the choice is obvious.

Maybe a decade, or even 5 years, from now, it could be viable, but it will NOT be an option by the time the next gen systems come out. So, ALL the next systems will NEED hard drives (or MAYBE super sized memory cards, but even though they are faster and more secure than hard disks, an equal size card is far more expensive). Memory cards had their time, but the people, ie, me, demand a LOT more space. So, they all need HDs, and they need them included with the system. A personal WANT of mine (though my XBox HD is not even near being filled, and I doubt it will be by the time the XB2 comes out), is for the HD to also be removable and replacable with extra ones sold seperatly.

Now, as for the PSTwo (which I have finally had the pleasure of seeing, seems it's not actually called a PSTwo, Sony just didn't even name the remodel), I still think a way to get that HD attached. Looking at it, there is no extra port on it for something like that. However, there are still the USB ports. Simply put, just use a port for the HD. Since those games are all on HD, they can be easily updated to use the USB port online (via a disk they can ship to you that does the job of setting all that up for you). The nice thing about the PS2 USB ports is they are just like most USB ports, they can be expanded very easily. Just use any standard USB multitap, such as for example USB ports found on a lot of USB keyboards, and you get a lot more USB ports from that. Boom, you can plug in all sorts of stuff. I know this because I've done this myself with Socom. So, all Sony need do is release that little adapter, and then the companies with those games just need to release that disk.

Two extra controller ports, nice idea if there were a decent number of party games on the PS2. One thing, it wouldn't work with PS2 and PS1 games if they finally added them to the PS3. The way the PS1 and PS2 multitaps work sorta totally prevent them from being usable that way. One would still need multitaps for those two system's games, as the 3rd and 4th ports would be "dead" when playing them.

If I had Xbox live Id probaily be using it more , Customizable music isnt stupid ! The soundtracks on alot of games are not always that great or you just get sick of them and want some of your own stuff in it,If you have a good sound system surround and all playing your music on a stereo with the games own music overlaping is just to messy so it just sounds so much better to have it mixed right into the game.

I want the HDD to stay! It does take less time to save usually on the xbox, MS would make a big mistake by not having HDD in Xbox2.

PS3 is gonna be scorned for not having 4 ports, 4 Is now the standard , besides playing with more freinds having more port outlets is so much better if you got preperals like DVD remote hookup signal recievers ect..
What sony could do is make them use the PS2 multitap for it to work or figure out a way to make the additional ports to work.

Quote:Hard drives are NEEDED in the future. Sure, there's the whole "well, you could have a burnable medium", but that's just stupid. I've used burning drives, and there is just WAAAAAY too much wrong with the idea of using that as the sole means of recording data. One, the chance for errors. Disks can be burnt "bad" just far too often for it to ever be viable. Worse than that, if a power outage or even something minor occurs like the system being bumped, YOUR DISK IS RUINED FOREVER, and there IS NO DEFENCE AGAINST IT. The other issue is speed. Burning drives are pretty fast these days, but it still takes minutes to get anything done, and waiting that long compaired to mere seconds for the HDD, well, the choice is obvious.

This is absolutely true. I'd never trust burnable media for anything so permanant and important (without the chance to try again on another disk with no repurcussions to anything)... and I doubt any game company would try it as a real solution either. It's just too problematic. No, hard drives are absolutely necessary... well, some kind of solid media. Hard drives are by far the best though... large memory cards (like SD cards) cost a lot and hold a lot less.

Actually, the developers of Socom are working on ways of getting the same bonus content for non-HDD users.

HDDs are probably needed for the future of consoles, but it really isn't neccessary for the PS2 right now, unless you're a die-hard REoutbreak or FFXI fan. Nobody else is supporting it, because it's an add-on.

The HD on the XBox is good because I never have to worry about it being full when I go to save.

And it's supported by everyone because it was included in the system from the start. Very few games support the PS2 HDD because it's an add-on.

That's almost always the way it is with add-ons.

Ya know, 4 ports is nice, I'm just saying they couldn't work with previous systems' games due to design issues.

Here's an interesting design solution. 4 ports, all USB. Backwards compatibility could still work just fine, just like using a USB mouse with old DOS games if you have a modern day motherboard. More than that, I could use my PS3 controller on my PC if Sony (or some kind 3rd party) made the right drivers. Hmm, actually what are they even going to add to the next gen's controllers, from ALL sides I mean? I mean, the GCN needs clickable control sticks and to put the upper left and upper right buttons back on their neutered 6 face button layout :D (c'mon, we all know that's exactly what that layout really is), and also that Z trigger needs to be put somewhere reachable :D.

Releasing an HD as an add-on is generally a mistake. Add-ons, as we have all stated, generally almost always do horribly because people who buy consoles suddenly have to dish out even more money. The PS2 HD has done rather well actually, likely due to the Final Fantasy name being attached to it, but it still hasn't sold that well. It's sold well enough that Sony certainly shouldn't have alienated those who have it and also a busted PS2 by not having some method of using it on the new model, but still not all that well. Generally, I always frown on feature removing in "updated" consoles, and this is a pretty big one really.

Eh, anyway, all future consoles need the thing built right in, and hopefully, they can also be removable and replacable in the off-chance you actually manage to fill up the thing.

Look Microsoft is hinting that the HDD wont be in Xbox2 unless sony puts it in Ps3,Like you stated shouldnt updated consoles actually be better then the original?It boils down to money and greed if the Xbox actually beat the Ps2 or even just came close to half of it we wouldnt be hearing this , I am sure its probaily more profitable to sell memmory cards then have a hardrive included even if it is better and the player prefers HDD. MS had to do some annoying things like that requirement that forced you to buy the dvd remote "DVD movie entertainment kit"! I did notice that it sure is selling good every store I went basically told me it was sold out and the one were I finally got it I just bought the last one left in stock ,I assume this was because MS needed Cash "No memmory cards to profit from big production manufactoring expenses because of the hardrive and Graphics cards they had to burn you some were.

Why do Gamecube memmory cards cost so fucking much? One store was selling at nearly 40 bucks canadian for the official standard card ,Radio shack was 10 bucks less thankfully and I got it there but it was still more expensive on average everywhere I looked then the Ps2 memmory cards even when it was the premier release in 2000.

You guys are pretty knowledgeable especially with nintendo , I want to know!

I got the NGC card as a gift for my freind so bassically we could play RE Zero because he got a gamecube and just didnt have enough left for even a cheap 3rd party card.I think a realize why!

Quote:Why do Gamecube memmory cards cost so fucking much? One store was selling at nearly 40 bucks canadian for the official standard card ,Radio shack was 10 bucks less thankfully and I got it there but it was still more expensive on average everywhere I looked then the Ps2 memmory cards even when it was the premier release in 2000.

They're fairly cheap here. About $30[US] for the 1024's.

That's still insanely expensive considering how little memory it is.

Great Rumbler Wrote:They're fairly cheap here. About $30[US] for the 1024's.

30 bucks canadian is still to much , The price you just gave pretty well translates into 40 bucks.Some of the games cost less then the card!

Yeah... $30 cheap? Huh? It's 8MB! 8MB! For $30! What is this, 1985?

The new Nintendo card isn't even 8MB, is it?

I think it is... the 1019... 59 is .5MB so the 251 is 2MB and 1019 is 8MB.

The numbers work better when you add that 5-block formatting/OS chunk... 64, 256, 1024. :)

Well whatever the case is, it's still way, way too much.

Isn't that how much the official Sony memory cards cost?

Yeah, I'm saying they're all grossly overpriced.

$25 (in Japan) for PSP memory cards... how nice, memcards for handhelds too now!

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Psst! That's because they're not using carts! You can bet your ass the same thing will go for Nintendo's next handheld (after the DS) as well! This is like saying that the PSX is crap compared to the N64 because the PSX needs memory cards... one little disadvantage in a sea of great advantages.

That's not as good a comparison because you actually need memcards for N64 too... stupidly...

Its funny cause I remeber the N64 memmory cards were a little more expensive then the PSX ones at that time.

1019 is 40 bucks canadian and 251 is 30 bucks,This is according to futureshop but I am sure the price is cheaper or more expensive pending were you buy it.

Memory cards suck. [subliminal message]*buy Xbox!!*[/subliminal message]