Tendo City - Advance Wars DS!!! WOO!!!

Stupid naming, again, but I guess "DS Wars" would be too confusing for American consumers. Whatever

Awesome.

I don't know why they don't just call it DS Wars, but I guess it doesn't really matter. It looks pretty much like Advance Wars on the GBA, not that that's a bad thing.

Yeah I don't really care about the graphics.

But it's got fake elevations and stuff, with the buildings and sprites that overlap eachother... :D Looks like Advance Wars gameplay with a stylus... which is awesome! Strategy games are best with mice, but a stylus would work pretty well too I think...

Yeah, the graphics are fine. But it's great to see another Wars title... as for the name, I don't mind really. It is kind of odd to have a series whose first word of the game name changes by platform... so why not standardize it.

I imagine the stylus would work even better than a mouse.

I think in this case a stylus probably would work better.

Yes.

Yeah.

Yup.

I wish I could use a stylus with my computer screen.

Well nothing is stopping you from touching your monitor...

I meant and actually have it do something. *touches monitor* *nothing happens* :(

*touches monitor*

*magic and happiness shoots out in lasers*

WOO!

I think mouse and stylus are pretty similar once you figure out how to use a mouse...

Oh, I know how to use a mouse just fine, I haven't been playing all those PC FPS's for nothing, but I'd still like to be able to use a stylus on my monitor.

Only if your monitor was flat... I don't think a stylus on a vertical monitor would work all that well. :)

With a stylus you're actually directly manipulating the stuff on the same screen that you are looking at, so there's even more precision. That's why artists use drawing tablets and not mice.

Exactly. Trying to draw anything with a mouse is frustratingly difficult, unless you like drawings that look terrible.

So drawing programs on the DS will be easy... Mario Paint? :D

Very much so. If I were to make a DS game I'd make one where the player actually draws the main characters and enemies, and perhaps even some backgrounds or something.

Quote:the player actually draws the main characters

Pac-Pix?

And enemies, he said... though that could make the game easy in some circumstances. :)

I'm sure that developers [aside from Namco with Pac-Pix] are looking into how they can use that in their games. It may be some time before we get any like OB1 is talking about, but I'm sure that eventually we'll get some.

And of course, you could just use your finger or something.

You COULD but I don't know why you'd want to when you have a stylus.

I'm suggesting it if like, you lose it. You know that's the very fist thing every kid is going to do after all.

Johnny Wrote:Pac-Pix?

Pac Pix is a great idea, but I was thinking of something bigger than that, and for a regular platformer or RPG.

ABF Wrote:And enemies, he said... though that could make the game easy in some circumstances.

The character creation wouldn't be that free. The game would use a 3d engine like Four Swords, where the models are just flat polys with textures slapped on them. So for an enemy for instance, you would draw each movable body part separately within a restricted size, and then the game would just put the textures you made on the appropriate places. It's actually pretty simple.

Johnny Wrote:I'm sure that developers [aside from Namco with Pac-Pix] are looking into how they can use that in their games. It may be some time before we get any like OB1 is talking about, but I'm sure that eventually we'll get some.

Yes, I hope that happens as well.

Quote:I'm suggesting it if like, you lose it. You know that's the very fist thing every kid is going to do after all.

Then you buy a replacement one. :)

Quote:Pac Pix is a great idea, but I was thinking of something bigger than that, and for a regular platformer or RPG.

A lot of people might not like that... it really depends on implementation, but I'd rather have predrawn characters than have to draw them myself if I'm going to be using them for a long time without change. I can't draw, after all...

Quote:A lot of people might not like that... it really depends on implementation, but I'd rather have predrawn characters than have to draw them myself if I'm going to be using them for a long time without change. I can't draw, after all...

Well the game wouldn't be targeted towards people like you then. :p It would be for more creative people. The Mario Paint crowd.

But seriously, that could be easily fixed if you could download art from other people, which would be easy to do with the DS. If you can't draw just download someone else's art!

I know that Klik & Play lets you draw things if you want but when I made games I always used the built-in library... drawing things myself just had no attraction at all. So it should come with default sprites for sure, or libraries of them... being able to download from others would also be great.

There is really one thing to consider about that though... copyrights. The same issue that killed the adding new faces thing in Perfect Dark...

Quote:I know that Klik & Play lets you draw things if you want but when I made games I always used the built-in library... drawing things myself just had no attraction at all. So it should come with default sprites for sure, or libraries of them... being able to download from others would also be great.

If you're not a creative person even willing to try and draw then the game won't be for you. Simple as that.

Quote:There is really one thing to consider about that though... copyrights. The same issue that killed the adding new faces thing in Perfect Dark...

That was not the issue at all. Nintendo was afraid that people were going to paste their teacher's faces on enemies and shoot them. It was a stupid reason. And you wouldn't be using photos in my idea, you'd be drawing them yourself. If that were illegal then there would be no drawing mode in the Mario 64 DS menu, or any drawing support in Pictochat or any of the other dozens of so DS games that are going to do something like that.

Quote:If you're not a creative person even willing to try and draw then the game won't be for you. Simple as that.

The real question is, how big is the market that would want to?

Quote:That was not the issue at all. Nintendo was afraid that people were going to paste their teacher's faces on enemies and shoot them. It was a stupid reason. And you wouldn't be using photos in my idea, you'd be drawing them yourself. If that were illegal then there would be no drawing mode in the Mario 64 DS menu, or any drawing support in Pictochat or any of the other dozens of so DS games that are going to do something like that.

Draw the enemies as people you know and kill them. See, same issue.

Quote:The real question is, how big is the market that would want to?

Judging by the sales of Mario Paint and Magic Pengel, I'd say big enough.

Quote:Draw the enemies as people you know and kill them. See, same issue.

Yes, because all of the immature little jr. high school kids that would do such a thing also happen to be incredible artists. Whatever

That's nonsense. Going by your logic Nintendo wouldn't allow drawing features for any of their games. In Pictochat you can draw your teacher being killed! OMG! In Mario 64 DS you can draw a cock in the menu! OMG TeH CEnSorING!!1!!111!

Quote:Yes, because all of the immature little jr. high school kids that would do such a thing also happen to be incredible artists. That's nonsense. Going by your logic Nintendo wouldn't allow drawing features for any of their games. In Pictochat you can draw your teacher being killed! OMG! In Mario 64 DS you can draw a cock in the menu! OMG TeH CEnSorING!!1!!111!

Sure it's silly, but my point is that Nintendo seems to be very sensitive about things like that...

Obviously that's not the case, as their DS software has proven.

I really doubt they'd take it out just becuase of that. PD was one thing, and it may have been difficulty of programming that ultimately killed it, but this is nowhere near as bad.

And Brian's point that peoples' faces can be drawn which would be the same as photos is retarded.

I didn't say the same, I said (or meant at least) that if Nintendo wanted to be really strict about it they'd have to think about the issue... I mean, sure, drawing people and then shooting them isn't the same as a picture in fact, but the idea is the same.

If everyone in the world were superb artists your point would still be retarded.

Quote:I mean, sure, drawing people and then shooting them isn't the same as a picture in fact, but the idea is the same.

I could make one of my teachers out of twigs and leaves and shoot the thing with a pellet gun; the idea would be the same but it would still be retarded.

Basically Brian's point is just plain retarded.