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Oh.
My.
Sweet.
Jesus.


SOX IN BIGGEST COMEBACK IN SPORTS HISTORY...
....YANKEES IN BIGGEST COLLAPSE IN SPORTS HISTORY...


SOX GOING TO WORLD SERIES IN BEST POSSIBLE FASHION!!


¡¡¡¡THEY DID IT!!!!

So maybe now you people will finally shut up about the "evil Yankees"?

Didn't watch the game, but I checked in on it to see the score at 10-3. Ouch for the Yanks.

Quote:So maybe now you people will finally shut up about the "evil Yankees"?

Not likely.

Anyone else see a Return of the Jedi-style comparison here? Battle of Endor, anyone? :clap:

Haha, yeah. That mullet guy could pass for an ewok. He's a hairy man.

Well I meant more of the epic-turn-around-against-all-odds-Evil Empire thing. Even the team colors; Red Sox are red and blue; Yankees are cold white with stripes. Evil. Pure evil.

Could that win have been any more perectly choreographed... down by 3; to win the next 4... could it have been? Yankee victory was a breath away every single time, and against all odds, we clung on and won. My God, can you believe it. It's like a movie. Amazing.

God bless the Red Sox.

Yeah, I know what you were talking about.

heya!

Unbelievable. I can't fucking believe the Yankees, of all teams, became the first team in the long, long history of the World Series to blow a 3-0 lead. It's been a shitty year for sports: the Edmonton Oilers miss the playoffs, the Calgary Flames (the Oilers arhrival) make the playoffs for the first time in 7 years, and make it go game seven of the freaking Stanley Cup finals, the Red Sox win, no NHL hockey this year, the Eskimos might miss the playoffs for the first time in over twenty years, and worst of all, the Expos leave Montreal. Plus the Titans aren't doing that great out of the gate.

But in ten, twenty, thirty years, what do you think will be most memorable moment of the 2004 World Series? What the Red Sox did, or, what the Yankees didn't do? Definetly the latter. Will discuss more in depth later.

I don't think they will be remembered as seperate events, regardless of whether or not Boston finally wins the title. The 2004 Yankees will, until it happens again, be remembered as one of the most fantastic disasters in sports history, and the 2004 Red Sox will be remembered as one of the greatest ass-hair-away-from-elimination victors in sports history. Of course, the two teams involved in this will give this series far more legend than almost any other matchup... this is one of the fiercest rivalries in sports ever.

However, because of The Curse, I am inclined to believe that it will be better remembered for the Red Sox and their triumph. This will become a legendary feat, right alongside The Immaculate Reception and Rumble in the Jungle. Whether or not it will be remembered as the Year of the Broken Curse or the Year of the Incredible Choke depends on how Boston handles itself in the Series. But either way, they'll be remembered as one event forever.

I disagree. The Yankees are perhaps the greatest teams in sports, and they are expected to win every single year, regardless of the opponent. Boston is still snakebitten, and because they are so prone to losing in big games year in and year out, the nerves will get to them and the Red Sox will lose in the World Series. Hence, the curse will still live on, and it'll just be another chapter in the Boston Red Sox history where they lost with everything on the line. Whoop-de-doo. Heard that story a million times already. In my eyes, the Yankees becoming the only team in the illustrious history of the MLB to lose after being up three games to zero is much more significant than anything that the Red Sox have done. Ever. Even being the team to beat the Yankees after being down 3-0.

btw, Miracle was a crappy movie. The hockey games were done well, but the way it was portrayed as not being just a game (albeit an imortant one) between the Soviet and American hockey teams, but as something to signifiy superiority over the other country, not just in hockey, but all around, was something that I didn't like. (even though the Soviet's were the better team, no question about it, just not on that particular night)

I disagree again, and my reasoning is one of the games I mentioned above in comparison, the Immaculate Reception. The hero of that game was Franco Harris of the Pittsburgh Steelers, in 1972. At that time, the Steelers were one of the most consistent failures in professional sports. The miraculous last-second touchdown reception in this game allowed for the Steelers to break history in their own small way: It was the team's first-ever postseason victory in 40 years. 32 years later, this game is still considered one of the legendary events in sports history... even though the Steelers were eliminated the next game in the playoffs by the Dolphins. Even though the Steelers didn't capitalize on that miracle fully, it's still part of NFL legend.

Now, the reason why I think you're wrong about who will be remembered is quite simple: History remembers the victors, especially when they overcome great odds. When people remember the greatest comeback in NFL history, they remember the Bills came back from 31 down, before they remember that the Oilers gave up a 31 point advantage. They will remember that Muhammad Ali took his blows and connected at the right time, less than they will remember that George Foreman was suckered by his rope-a-dope and wore himself out. They remember the 1980 US Hockey team upset a hugely-favored Soviet team, not that the hugely-favored Soviet team was outplayed by a vastly-inferior foe. And they will remember that the Red Sox accomplished an unprecendented come-from-behind victory more than they will remember that the Yankees suffered a historic collapse.

The winners write the history books.

Amazing. Really, really amazing. I knew they had a chance, but like most people didn't really think they would pull it off... that that did is simply stunning. Break the Curse? I don't know, the Curse isn't just about the Yankees after all, it's about the World Series... and, wouldn't you know it, we're playing the Cardinals in the WS. The same Cardinals who beat us in '46 and '67. Revenge! :)

The only damper on this is the fact that in the postgame party/riot in Boston, one of the fans was killed by a police "nonlethal" round... very sad...

Yea...I'm furious about that. The fucking gestappo shot her right through the eye with a pepper ball, which bursts on contact. The poor thing; they show these graphic pictures of a young girl in bright Red Sox attire, lying sprawled on the sidewalk, bleeding from the left eye and nose... the cops are standing around her, nonchalantly, while a friend attends to her, and checks her pulse.

Yikes. So, I suppose the lesson here is that during a riot you should either a.) stay at home...and lock your doors, b.) if caught outside in a riot find someplace to hide or c.) tuck and cover and hope no one steps on you.

Or, if caught in a riot, fuck shit up! It's what I'd do.

That's because you seem to be a total jerk. From everything I've heard you say, you seem to believe the only thing that makes something wrong is the consequences you personally suffer as a result. That's about the mindset of the average serial killer too ya know. Ever heard of empathy? Yes, it's a fact, you CAN feel bad for OTHER PEOPLE just as much as you can for yourself.

Uh, okay? Because in a riot I'd like to do something ludacris and riot that makes me a jerk? What? I don't know what the hell you're talking about. Because I'm not empathetic and don't feel sorry for people (how the hell would you know, anyways?) I guess that makes me a bad person. At least in comparasion to you. I think that you're right about me being a serial killer, too. I feel an urge to kill all of a sudden. Sigh. If only Dark Jaguar thought I was empathetic.

The Rioters are just as responsible of this as the cops, If you feel like causing a riot trash your house , Then maybe after wards you might realize it sucks to have your tv smashed in and your living space in a mess how do you think the poor Homeless people feel after you trashed their house.

Fittisize Wrote:Uh, okay? Because in a riot I'd like to do something ludacris and riot that makes me a jerk?.

Yes.

I think it's funny when people substitute rappers' names for proper English words.

You could argue that the expos were hit with some kind of curse in 1994,
For the first time in the teams history things looking good they had a all star team and alot of new sucessful rookies they were the highly antciapated winners for the hole thing.Then the strike happend and Montreals hopes were put up so high before that and it was crushed that year and the people never forgave the team,The expo team 1995 clearly waisnt going to even be the same one as in 1994 so basically all the talent went out the door it was back to the same old losing streaks the fans quickly faded away. People became so synical of the Expos to the point that you couldnt give a ticket seat even if it was free.

As for the Red Sox I think this sopposed imaginary curse is what screwed the team and effected its morale,Maybe it would not have been as bad for so long if the fans and players didnt expect to lose all the time. I think breaking this curse was a motivator for the players this time and not being the underdog if they were quiters they could have just said "3-0 we are screwed forget it" and not try but they didnt and look at it now.

What fans should do if they honnestly suspect such a thing, Go get your damned Shamans and catholic priests and make a mass exorcism if it makes you feel better, I think it would help the team.

Ryan Wrote:I think it's funny when people substitute rappers' names for proper English words.

I've never used the actual word before, I don't think. "Ludicrous". Is that better for you? Is it "proper"? Nobody cares.

Yes, that's better. Don't let it happen again, hear?

The Rioters are just as responsible of this as the cops,

Absolutely not! The 'rioters' were reveling in the great, elusive victory... no one (as in NO ONE) would've be hurt, hadn't the cops strutted in there and started using rough tactics. That girl (an innocent bystander) would still be alive, in class perhaps, if they cops hadn't come. The cops shot other people too; some people were climbing onto the scaffolding outside of Fenway. The cops shot them, and at least one fell over and almost died because of that! The cops shouldn't have taken any action. Their presence alone was a deterrence, their murdering that poor girl was a crime against humanity. I hope that the cops who did it are fired and castrated.

how do you think the poor Homeless people feel after you trashed their house.


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Well... the police were out there in force because of what happened after the Patriots victory, Darunia. Remember? A car ran into a crowd, with no police anywhere around, and a man was killed? Yeah, that. So this time the police showed... and clearly used way too much force -- the person killed was not one of the rioters and was not near them --, but it's easy enough to figure out why they were there. Though why they were shooting at people who were not threatening anything, that I'd like to know...

Darunia Wrote:The Rioters are just as responsible of this as the cops,

Absolutely not! The 'rioters' were reveling in the great, elusive victory... no one (as in NO ONE) would've be hurt, hadn't the cops strutted in there and started using rough tactics. That girl (an innocent bystander) would still be alive, in class perhaps, if they cops hadn't come. The cops shot other people too; some people were climbing onto the scaffolding outside of Fenway. The cops shot them, and at least one fell over and almost died because of that! The cops shouldn't have taken any action. Their presence alone was a deterrence, their murdering that poor girl was a crime against humanity. I hope that the cops who did it are fired and castrated.

how do you think the poor Homeless people feel after you trashed their house.


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The homeless thing was a joke ! I realize ive been mentaly out of it for quite a while now but you take everything so seriously as if I meant for real...
or was that smiley thing part of your humouress respounce?

I did not know the full story on that ! If you use the word "Rioters" I will assume there was a riot. When you got a mass crowd of nuts people it can turn into a riot in seconds especially with drunk or high people dancing around getting others angry or having some people decide to celebrate by trashing a car or smashing things.

In canada this year at the stanley cop finales calgary had a simular event except unlike the "Boston police" the Mounties just watched and observed and even cheered along the fans to try to keep it cool fun and not deadly.

Boston probaily is a much more crime ridden city then calgary which is in the richest province in canada, But the mounties di everything right the crowd was huge that a few streets had to be closed to traffic the mounties did everything Boston police didnt at this event , Calgarys experience and Bostons are almost mirrors with alternate endings.

Now if the cops got to agressive and were what set it off when there was nothing major happening to require it, Then yah they were idiots.It was unprofessional and if the guy is just shooting out of annoyance then the police department needs to be corrected and deciplined or even do some firing and at worse jailing.

If I were boston id hire the mounties to train the Boston police, There is no shame the mounties are the oldest organize policing force in north america , They always performed well on average even in the toughest situations "world summits" and Drunken university riots and whacky sports fan gatherings" .

or maybe I am a little bias since my grand father was a mounty as was his father this generation is the only absent of a mounty or even regular cop.

Darunia didn't like baseball till this season. n00b.

No shit. He once referred to people who enjoy pro sports as morons, or something along those lines. Something about worshipping pro athletes as gods because they are better at playing games than you are. Or something.

I realize ive been mentaly out of it for quite a while now

Your admitting that means so much to me, ASM! :kiss:

No shit. He once referred to people who enjoy pro sports as morons, or something along those lines. Something about worshipping pro athletes as gods because they are better at playing games than you are. Or something.

Oh, my yes--and I still stand by those accusations. They're all tin gods. I don't worship them; I nigh support them financially (both my visits to Fenway have been free), besides a Sox hat and a few shirts. I enjoy watching the games.

I am feeling good now! Its just been october that I have been wiped out and I will admit alot of posts meant nothing except just to raise my post count and prevent fitisize from stealing my position.

The Castro and the riot thing is the first things I actually cared about and tried to put a effort into writing it.

Boston has some crime but it's not so horrible that the only reaction to a thing like this by the cops would be force... yes, there were some rioters who did stupid things like burning cars and climbing Fenway Park (well, the Green Monster) on the outside. But... the police should have just been looking for places where people could really get hurt! So pay attention to the rioters. Don't bother the rest of the crowd who is doing nothing wrong... the police clearly over-reacted and were not prepared for the situation despite how they should have known way in advance what it'd be like there. What they really should have done is restricted access to Landsdowne Street in the first place! Why let a massive crowd (like 80,000 or 90,000) into that area of very narrow streets and a lot of bars right next to Fenway? It makes no sense!

Quote:Its just been october that I have been wiped out and I will admit alot of posts meant nothing except just to raise my post count and prevent fitisize from stealing my position.

And what position would that be?

Fittisize Wrote:And what position would that be?

Take a big guess!

"post" and "counts" two words figure it out!

This is kind of weird. We actually look like we are going to win. And I really don't know how I feel about it. How so? First, I don't really like the wild card. Getting into the playoffs that way really does feel cheap... yes, it makes up for it somewhat by beating in the playoffs the team that beat us, but still... we finished second in the regular season! In addition to that, I don't see a big benefit from the fans' perspective in winning. What would change? Nothing really. New England would still love baseball. The Red Sox would still get intense scrutiny. We just wouldn't have the 'haven't won in a long time' thing... which is kind of sad but it's also one of the identifying things abotu the Red Sox and being a Red Sox fan! So from a fan's perspective, this is weird... and somewhat negative.
The perspective from which winning is clearly good is the player's one. This is probably the last year that this team will be together. They already started breaking it up with the sale of Nomar, most of and the rest of the core could be gone next year (Varitek, Lowe, Pedro, etc...). It'd be great to have one win with this team before they disband, and over the years they have certainly played well enough to deserve it.

If we can't depend on the Red Sox losing every year what can we depend on?!

The Red Sox will win, and that's pretty much the bottom line. Congratulations in advance to 1997 NL Cy Young Winner Pedro Martinez and Orlando Cabrera, two former Expos that made a difference on this team.

But with the Red Sox winning the World Series, what do they have? What are they? A team that has won a single championship in 80+ years, and a team that had to buy a championship, that's what they are. The Red Sox are nothing without the curse.

Isn't the goal of these games to determine who the best team is? Well, doesn't that mean that if they win this, it means they are the best team? If it doesn't, then is the manner in which the best team is decided year after year flawed? If it is flawed, should it not be changed? If not, then what kind of tournament setup is this anyway?

Red Sox win!! Massive riots ensue!!

Woo!

great series but seriously who honestly thought boston wouldn't win? congrats to all the boston fans woo-hoo!

Quote:If we can't depend on the Red Sox losing every year what can we depend on?!

Pretty much, except it means a bit more than that... the Red Sox are really popular in New England. Team #1 of any sport easily. So what happens when the character of being a Red Sox fan changes? Think about it. The Sox have been identified with failure and suffering in their fanbase for 85 years... we don't win and part of being a Red Sox fan (was?) recognizing that. But now we HAVE won. What does it mean? Well, it well could mean that being a Sox fan isn't really 'special' anymore -- it's like being a fan of any other team, except being more passionate about it. That is to say, winning loses a big part of the identity of Red Sox fandom. And honestly, I am not really going to say that losing it was a good thing...

Sure, overall little will change. But the fact is we won and that really does have an impact on what it means to be a Sox fan. Does it now mean that we expect another? That if, next year, we go any less than to the Series we should be dissatisfied? In my opinion, the line between that and in some respects becoming Yankees-lite is too thin for my liking...

I know, we won so I should be happy. And I am. It's amazing and fantastic, and I only wish that we had done it while Ted Williams was still alive... (as I said before, on the players front winning is a clearcut Very Good Thing -- just read any articles now about Johnny Pesky to prove that one... he's been waiting so long...) But, I just had to say that I have to mourn for the loss of a big part of the identity of Red Sox fans.

So in short, in this case Fittisize is too close to the truth here... not quite, but too close for comfort for a fanbase that spends its time attacking the Yankees and their over-spending ways.

Quote:But with the Red Sox winning the World Series, what do they have? What are they? A team that has won a single championship in 80+ years, and a team that had to buy a championship, that's what they are. The Red Sox are nothing without the curse.

Quote:Isn't the goal of these games to determine who the best team is? Well, doesn't that mean that if they win this, it means they are the best team? If it doesn't, then is the manner in which the best team is decided year after year flawed? If it is flawed, should it not be changed? If not, then what kind of tournament setup is this anyway?

DJ, this isn't exactly about that but it helps go to show that you just have no idea what the Red Sox mean to New England...

I think it will be a true test of how hardcore Sox fans really are, how many of them were just around long enough to see this curse end.

I mean, it is a huge part of the team's lore, but it's not everything. The true fans are the ones who are happy that the Sox won the Series, regardless of how long it took.

Easier for you to say from elsewhere... :)

Eh, I guess I don't.

Anyway, I fixed that annoying glitch with the html code showing up next to the top graphic. It would seem that font altering code in the TC title is a bad idea, for future reference.