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Well you see, you think that because you're touched in the head.

EQ2 is the best-looking MMORPG I've seen. Not best overall.

The artwork in WoW is so great that you almost completely ignore the poly count.

The characters, the world, buildings, mountains, seeing into the distance, trees, effects... everything... just has so much style and looks so great... it is pretty sad that you can't see that. (same as Warcraft III.)

*sigh*

You are so dumb. So, so dumb...

*sigh* You are so, so blind...

Great comeback.

I thought so. :)

My point is that if you're making such a fuss about the technical engine you clearly do not really appreciate the artwork fully, and that is sad. :(

ABF, you are the biggest idiot in the entire universe. You do know that, right?

ABF Rules!

OB1, just *think* for a second. Just one. I think you are intentionally trying to be as annoying as possible which is really stupid when I am trying to be reasonable here... couldn't you be serious for once? Calling me an idiot because to me and a huge number of other people the phenominal artwork Blizzard does completely overwhelms any minor and not very important issues about the poly count of the engine is just plain stupid.

Feel free to say "I'm weird and don't like Blizzard's artwork much" or something, but the way you are acting? Do you really expect me to take you seriously?

Its pretty ironic that YOU were the one complaining that DJ wasn't serious in serious threads.

I called you an idiot for being the most clueless moron to ever grace these message boards. You keep on responding to things that I never said, and I have no idea how anybody can be that stupid. I'll say "EQ2's graphics engine is so much better than WoW's" and you respond with "You are CRAZY WoW has AMAZING art I can't believe you just said that Warcraft has terrible art ARE YOU MAD???!!!".

Like I said, you're unbelievably stupid.

OB1, the fact that you're still arguing this either shows that you are unbelievably stubborn to the point of idiocy or still don't understand my point...

As I've said a million times, if you loved the Warcraft art as much as me or the millions of other Blizzard fans, you wouldn't be complaining about the engine they use! Simple! Why is that such a stupid statement? Its not. Now it is true that you didn't say that you hated the Warcraft art but just don't care much, but you know what? All that does is prove my point... not the 'hate' point, but the one I made in this post.

Its really bizarre, like you don't understand one thing I'm saying. How about, for once, actually thinking about what I say before writing another idiotic rant?

*reads above post, covers eyes with hand and cries for ABF, praying that someday he'll get that brain from The Wizard*

ABF, you are SOOO fucking stupid!! We're going in circles! Read my above posts, you stupid idiot!! I do know what you point is, and I explained in GREAT DETAIL and how fucking stupid you are for not understanding this debate!! Get a clue, moron!! Your extreme mind-fucking stupidity is destroying the universe as it tries to contemplate your inane remarks.

Then actually talk about my point instead of just insulting me!

And why do you think I don't understand this debate? I don't get that at all... I've been very consistent, certainly, and as far as I can see have said exactly why I disagree with you...

Did I ever say that Warcraft III's engine is technically better than EverQuest 2's? No, I did not. So I fail to see how I have not seen your so-called point...

I DID, you brain-dead monkey!! I never said anything negative about Blizzard's art style! I said that their WoW graphics engine was crappy! That's it!! But you're so insanely fucking stupid that you've been totally unable to comprehend that thought.

I added some to that post... reread it. :)

And if that's really true, then respond to this. You haven't yet.

Quote:As I've said a million times, if you loved the Warcraft art as much as me or the millions of other Blizzard fans, you wouldn't be complaining about the engine they use! Simple!

The way you are acting would be like if when I came here in fall '99 I was bashing Ocarina of Time for having a graphics engine that isn't as good as the best available out there... I'd call that a resonable analogy, actually, because like OoT this game has awesome style and art. :)

This isn't and has never been about art styles, moron. It's about EQ2 being technically superior to WoW. You contested that claim from the very beginning by saying that WoW looks better. WoW looks like shit. Nice art, but shitty graphics.

Heh, no, as I've explained ten times I meant overall including the art, not just the technical side!

Yes, and that's precisely why you're so stupid! I stated very clearly that I meant it in technical terms, yet you continued to argue that the art is great, when no one said otherwise!!

Look, when you attack the engine like that am I expected to just say "its bad"? I don't think its a bad engine! Its perfectly good. Is it top of the line? No. But it does the job it has to more than well enough. It allows Blizzard to let their art style out in a great fashion. Thus it is a good engine. :)

The real problem is that in the beginning you don't seem to have understood my meaning when I said how great the game's graphics are (and thus attacked them). Not in this post, even, the first time we argued about this...

It's a crappy engine by today's standards.

See, that's exactly what I'm talking about when I say that when you hate the engine so much it very strongly bends your credibility when you try to say you don't dislike (to some extent) the artwork!

You make no sense at all, boy. OoT has a shitty engine by today's standards but I still like the art in the game.

Are you so thick-headed you can't see yourself almost making my points for me? :)

I like the artwork a lot, it's very good, but the engine...it's very low-end.

Quote:Are you so thick-headed you can't see yourself almost making my points for me?

Gah, what is inside that head of yours?? Lots of old cream cheese, or something??!

A bad graphics engine does not equal poor art style, for the ten-fucking-billionth time already!!!! A good graphics engine will give the artists more freedom and enable them to produce better artwork, but a skilled artist can make nice art even with a crappy engine. But that still doesn't make the engine any better. The graphics (TECHNICAL TERM HERE) still suck.

You know, you're the only person I know of actually saying that WoW doesn't look good... because most people judge it by more than just its engine... no previews saying "the engine isn't the best but..."...

And when the engine is more than good enough, like this one is, I don't mind at all if its not better. It just doesn't matter.

Of course it does. People say that Doom 3 has superb graphics but that's most certainly not because of its art style. It pushes a lot of polygons, has amazing lighting, textures, etc.

Yes, and then they say WoW has great graphics because of its art... there's a reason Gamespot has seperate awards for technical and artistic graphics...

Yes, and I've said that already! WoW has terrible graphics, technically-speaking. That gamespot example only helps my point.

So, so, sad... who cares about just the technical graphics? Why do you? I don't get it... and anyway the engine is not nearly as awful as you suggest. It looks great in a lot of shots. No it doesn't compete with EQ2 for polys, or some other modern MMORPGs (though most are behind the curve), but I don't see why you're making such a big deal out of something that matters so little... the overall look of the engine is what matters and it looks great.

The art is fine but the engine is crap, so it can only look so good. You turned this into a big deal. LIKE YOU ALWAYS DO!

You did when you insulted WoW. And the engine is okay. Seriously... this is ugly?

It's okay. It would have looked impressive three years ago. But today? Don't make me laugh.

Blizzard is good at gameplay, not graphics. Live with it.

Not when Blizzard makes great graphics... top of the line? Why bother with the effort when almost none of the fans will actually be able to PLAY the game that way? And especially when your artwork is among the best in the industry! A perfectly competent engine which has plenty of flash and beauty and the best gameplay in the industry is all they need. :)

Their one big graphical thing was Warcraft II -- it was one of the first SVGA games, after all, and for late 1995 looked absolutely amazing.

Wanna see great graphics, ABF? These are great graphics:

What game? Looks kind of like Far Cry, for some of them at least...

And as I said, what it lacks in detail it more than makes up for in style. Especially in the graphics-challenged MMORPG genre...

Whatever helps you sleep at night, boy.

Yeah that's Far Cry.

Impressive looking game. I remember it started out as a techdemo with a room with an amazingly detailed tree in it...

Yes.

I've seen better looking games...IN MY MIND!!

Haha, same here!

The best part about the game is the level editor.

Sounds cool.

It's the shiznit.

No, it's the shizNITE!!

yeah! ...heh.... yup...

Trouble for Far Cry...
http://www.homelanfed.com/index.php?id=20470
I wonder what happens now, but that does NOT sound good.

Gamespy is idiotic. I know that I often disagree with their reviews (their recent score of 3/5 for R-Type Final when IGN and Gamespot both gave it a bit over an 8/10 does not make them look good, for one recent example), but still... I thought they had SOME sanity...
http://www.gamespy.com/top10/february04/rts/
:barf:

Gamespy, Gamespy... what an abysmal list... Empire Earth on the list?? Medieval an RTS (TBS/RTS hybrid guys!)? Close Combat an RTS (its a wargame!)? C&C Red Alert better than Warcraft II? TOTAL ANNIHALATION THE BEST RTS EVER??? Morons, utter morons... that game competed with SC for popularity in early 1998, but it didn't take long for most people to figure out which was the better game.

Where is Conquest (should have done better than it did), Netstorm (I know not many people would put this in their top 5, but I'm one of them), Warcraft II (easily still better than most of the games on their list), Red Alert 2 (better than RA1)... heck, even Warzone 2100 (if that was the name, a early 3d-but-topdown RTS that was pretty fun...) is better than Empire Earth... someone must have hit Gamespy pretty hard with the stupid stick at some point.

And I've played some TA... okay game, but highly overrated among its fans and really not that good. This certainly is reopening some old wars... I remember TA-versus-Warcraft II and then TA-versus-Starcraft... I of course have never thought it was that good and that the Blizz games blew it away... 150 units? Are you insane? What in the world is the point? And its a fairly mindless RTS too, more in the C&C vein... fine for people who just want to see the cool 200 tanks run over the badguys but not so fine for people who want much actual strategy, I should think.

Stupid Gamespy, I thought we won this four years ago... :)

Geez, that's insane. But ve3d updated on the situation:

Quote:Update: Ubisoft just got back to me with an official statement:


"Ubisoft was informed on Wednesday, in the beginning of the afternoon, of the search of the premises of Crytek the same morning. We cannot give any comments on the judicial enquiry concerning the management of Crytek and we hope that the suspicion of a fraudulent use of an image-treatment software reveals to be unfounded.
The Crytek team has started working again normally as of Wednesday, 2 pm and works relentlessly on the finalisation of Far Cry. The game will ship as planned at the end of March."

Whew!

Looks like it might ship, but we'll see... if the charges are accurate they could be in a lot of trouble, and it's a problem because the game hasn't shipped yet...

Oh, and if it was going to happen, no surprise that it happened because of a disgruntled ex-employee, I must say...

Remind me to be nice to my employees and not hire stupid people when I form my own game design studio. :D

Yeah. :)