1. PlayStation- 2 244.800
2. Game Boy Advance- SP 242.800
3. GameCube- 164.500
4. Game Boy Advance- 33.700
5. Xbox- 4.300
6. PSone- 1.400
7. Wonder Swan Crystal- 660
1. Gran Turismo 4 Prologue
PS2- 133.900
2. Mario Party 5
NGC- 116.300
3. Mario Kart : Double Dash!!
NGC- 109.700
4. Mario and Luigi : Superstar Saga
GBA- 99.000
5. Donkey Konga
NGC- 93.800
6. Pokémon Colosseum
NGC- 92.700
7. Everybody's Golf 4
PS2- 79.300
8. Naruto 2
NGC- 71.700
9. Megaman Battle Network 4 Blue Moon
GBA- 69.400
10. Taiko no Tatsujin 3rd Generation
PS2- 68.100
Not bad at all, but I can't help but wonder how the PS2 continues to sell that many units after all this time.
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Well thats better, but still only half the selling power of the PS2. Unfortunately, Sony has too much momentum and it looks like the PSP could be very threatening to Nintendo in making Nintendo's long acting N64 failure complete.
PSP...I don't know. From early reports of price it looks like it's going to be very expensive, but we'll just have to wait and see.
Well you never know. The problem that all the other handhelds had with competing with the GBA was simply support and backing from gamers and software companies. The PSP, however, can run off of the PS2's popularity, not to mention Sony already has secured the support of many major 3rd party developers.
Just like the suprise they pulled off in beating down Nintendo with the N64/PSX era, it could very well happen again unfortunately, and this time would be big trouble for Nintendo.
That's what I've been saying.
I realize that, but there are still factors out there that could prevent the PSP from being successful or at least not surpassing the GBA and price is one of those factors.
Yeah I figure the price could be a major issue, but that didn't stop Sony from purposely underselling their PS2 to spite competitors. If I understand correctly, the PSP is working off some kind of 1.8 GB diskette, and sadly reminiscent of the PSX vs. N64 deal. The GBA cart is only about the size of an N64 cart if I remember correctly.
You've been saying a whole lot more than that, OB1. I would agree that it is possible for Sony to eventually take over the handheld market just on the sheer force of the PS name and forcing developers to make games for it, but quickly? Not if the limitations that seem to be evident prove to hold...
Oh yeah, and Sony is losing momentum. Just look how seven of those top ten are for Nintendo platforms, and five are from Nintendo!
Well Nintendo has definitely picked up the pace recently. Probably because they're hasn't been many interesting things on the PS2, as well as GC's price reduction giving people an incentive to try something "new" and obviously of higher quality for the most part. But, I don't know if making games quick is an issue for Sony. They don't seem to care, and people seem to buy crap anyways, and its quite evident that while the casual gamer is diminishing yet again, casual gamers and their caterers have ruined the quality of the console market.
I wonder if Nintendo will need to make another handheld which uses diskette media, or will it survive on the GBA ?
Yeah, I think it's mostly PS2 owners getting another console because they want something new and see how cheap the GC is. But that's hardly a bad thing... Nintendo just needs to keep this up. I think it'll be hard, because the PS name definitely is king now. Oh, sure, Nintendo probably has at least as many top quality games, especially in some genres, but the PS is still very strong... and while people like having Nintendo's games they don't like how there is so little third party support, so the PS is the first choice of a lot of gamers.
Oh, as for game quality, I don't think it's noticably worse now. Remember, there were a LOT of bad games on the NES and SNES. There are just more games now so it's more noticable... especially on a console like the PS2 which has such a painfully high quantity of bad to good.
And yes, the cart vs some newer form of media is probably the biggest question Nintendo has for the next GB. If they go with carts costs will continue to be high and the amount going to developers will continue to be low, definitely bad things... and the game sizes will have to stay very small. But it'll mean compatibility with the hundreds and hundreds of released GB games, a huge plus... so I don't know...
Then again, I think the PSP mentioned something about a ROM cart to protect against piracy. Maybe Nintendo could do a hybrid system, while using that cart bay for backwards compatability while perhaps using it has a caddy bay for diskettes ?
Or... the cart bay can somehow sub as the MEMORY CARD for saved games, while the CD will load in elsewhere. The hard part will be keeping the unit size small if it can load a CD and cart.
The problem with CDs is they use a LOT of power... actually that's the biggest problem as Nintendo moves forward with the GB. Technology has gone far in the last fifteen years but battery technology hasn't moved much at all. Oh sure things have progressed in saving battery power but it hasn't gone very far when you look at the next generation. CDs and those things that the PSP uses just drain batteries very fast. I think the media drive is one of the biggest reasons the PSP won't get good battery life... it's a serious problem without a solution. Nintendo's main problem here of course is that all along the GB has been a system that has been designed not for hardware power but for battery life. This is a problem now of course because carts are trouble. They are just so expensive and so small... hard to deal with especially these days when people are used to gigabytes of storage space. I don't know what Nintendo should do...
We don't even know the official battery life for the PSP. And if Sony treats it like a PDA (with charging) and offers an inexpensive extra battery pack, it won't be a problem for people that aren't complete idiots.
The N-Gage was like that but the battery life issue was a major criticism.
I don't even see the PSX on there, though I have heard that it's not doing very well at all.
A Black Falcon Wrote:The N-Gage was like that but the battery life issue was a major criticism.
We've been through this a hundred times already. You already know my response to that naive comment.
"everyone hated the N-Gage anyway"... which is true but doesn't really change my point.
The N-Gage never had a chance against the GBA. First off, its 3rd party support is shoddy at best, it has no existing fan base to build off of, and no particular hype, not to mention a hefty price tag among other things. Hell I never even heard of it until a couple weeks before its launch let alone your average gamer.
Yes, and it doesn't have a single positive thing going for it. It's not worth the trouble, and it's not worth overlooking certain flaws like people will with the PSP (and did with the PS2).
Quote:Yes, and it doesn't have a single positive thing going for it.
It had bluetooth wireless connectivity.
I don't know if you could play over the net, but I do know that you could post highscores and ghosts.
I think some minigames and stuff...
The bluetooth thing is cool, but if you don't have any good games and the system is crap, it doesn't matter.
Just pointing out that it's not ALL bad. :)
The game lineup is abysmal, though, certainly... good multiplayer options don't matter much when the games stink. :)
Indeed, the system was terribly designed, but the innovation of wireless gaming with bluetooth plus online support was nice. Even online was terrible though (understandable, with the latency inherent in wireless phones) with just small stuff like high scores and games you could play on any cell phone anyway. Bluetooth was the best it had going, and I certainly hope Nintendo puts it in the next GB (and NOT just as an add-on that has to have support for it programmed into the game!).
Yes, wireless local-area multiplayer definitely should be in the next GB. Great feature, and I would expect the PSP to have it too...
Yes, I'm sure with the amazing lasting power of the Wavebird that Nintendo could manage that with very low battery consumption.
Erm DJ there is a huge difference between a gamepad and a console, especially if you make that console top of the line and move from carts to bigger media stuff like Sony did...
....what?
I was only talking about battery life consumption. What are you talking about? I was just saying that with how long the wavebird lasts Nintendo should be able to get wireless technology on the next GB to consume very little battery power.
Fine, but that won't exactly help the battery life problems Nintendo will hit.
Yay! Let's hope they can stay number 2 for a while.
Yes, that'd be great... but I don't know. We'll need to see the Cube lineup for '04, I think.
It should be a better lineup than '03's and maybe even '02's, unless of course Metroid or Zelda (WW sequel, not FS) get delayed. I've been hearing rumors of Metroid Prime 2 getting delayed to the N5 launch, but I seriously hope that's not true. I'd rather have MP2 this year and MP3 a year or two after the N5 launch. They'd have to redo the engine if they move it to the N5, which would be such a waste.
'03 had WW and Mario Kart (which sold over a million units in 7 weeks -- it'll probably be the top selling Cube game soon), two really big titles... if there's anything like that for '04 we don't know about it yet. (there were other major titles but those are the ones that sold best, I think)
And before you say anything I'm talking about the US.
And yeah I've seen the MP rumor too... as well as one that says that instead we'll get Raven Blade for Cube in '04. Was that one from IGN? I don't remember...
Cube-Europe, actually.
Miyamoto has stated on numerous occasions that we would see Metroid Prime 2 and a Zelda sequel using the WW engine in 2004. And that was talking to American interviewers. Matt from IGN says that all signs are pointing towards a definite Holiday '04 release for Prime 2, but you know how Nintendo is. If they feel that 2005 is going to be empty then they'll delay stuff. I'm also hoping that the new Mario platformer will make it out this year, or at least be shown at E3. Miyamoto has been talking about that for ages now.
It's going to be a tough wait for E3...
Oh, right, Cube-Europe. Ignore it then, they are often pretty innacurate. And not too attentive to detail... if you read their mailbags they make frequent errors...
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Spong is reporting that Cube Europe and everyone else is full of crap. Spong is notorious for their crazy rumors and "news", but I believe them more than I believe Cube-Europe.
Quote:According to several reports springing up today, Metroid Prime 2 will not see a release on GameCube, making its way instead to GameCube 2.
This is simply not the case.
In development at Retro Studios, now a wholly owned subsidiary of Nintendo, the game, based around the critically acclaimed engine of the original, is in an advanced state and will see a release for GameCube in time for Christmas.
So fear not.
I don't know, Spong IMO is almost completely unreliable... I think they're even worse than Cube-Europe. I'm not sure if I even have the site bookmarked... though I should. I bookmark a lot of stuff. :)
I think that I don't know and we need to wait for more reports.
I don't think Spong is really all that reliable...
What I meant is that I believe Spong's de-rumoring regarding MP2 more than Cube-Europe's rumor. :D
I don't believe either of them, so it balances out. :)
So you believe that Metroid Prime 2 doesn't exist? Cupe-europe is saying that it's headed for the N5 while Spong says it's not. There are only two choices.